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Enda Kenny

  • 29-06-2010 08:21PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭


    What now for Enda? Who does he shoot and who does he keep?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,724 ✭✭✭flutered


    he has thrown away two elections, in my book that is unforgiveable, i cannot see him improving on that,


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 412 ✭✭Wide Road


    Enda is announcing his new front bench tomorrow. I wonder will he bring back Leo, Richard and others but Brian Hayes will probably lose out if the Indo is correct. Phil Hogan and Michael Ring will hope that their loyalty gets rewarded but is their any new blood ready for the front bench. Liam byrne seems to know what's going on in FG. You might tell us Liam before tomorrow and also your own views on which rebels you would bring back and which ones you would banish to the backbenches. Thanks in advance Liam.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,227 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    flutered wrote: »
    he has thrown away two elections, in my book that is unforgiveable, i cannot see him improving on that,

    Ehh what two elections ?
    Kenny and his contract lost the 2007 election to bertie, biffo and the Galway tent brigade.
    And we are where we are today.

    If you think Kenny losing that election is unforgivable then what do you think of the voters who were suckered into voting for the party that created a bubble and then pawned the country to save their banking and developer buddies ?

    BTW in all other elections Kenny and FG have performed well.

    Back on front bench...
    Hogan will be rewarded for being major part of Kenny's defense.
    Expect him to stay with Environment.
    Reilly or Hogan to be deputy leader.

    I would say Mitchell, Timmins, Naughten are possibly gone.
    Flanagan or Enright are toast, Enright's only saving grace is she may be there because female needed for gender balance.
    Hayes could be one high profile casualty.
    O'Dowd, Coveney and Varadker may get demotion.
    The latter two need to be in public eye because they have eyes on the leadership role down the road.
    I would love to see Vardkaer get rual affairs or Gaeltacht as way of broadening his horizonts a bit.
    Shatter may get justice.
    deasey and creighton will get job of cleaning the jacks.


    Then again this is all supposition.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 412 ✭✭Wide Road


    I still think Richard will feature. Any hope for the 2 Tipperary TDs? I know they didn't publically support Enda or Richard but maybe one of them may get a job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭unit 1


    jmayo wrote: »
    Ehh what two elections ?
    Kenny and his contract lost the 2007 election to bertie, biffo and the Galway tent brigade.
    And we are where we are today.

    If you think Kenny losing that election is unforgivable then what do you think of the voters who were suckered into voting for the party that created a bubble and then pawned the country to save their banking and developer buddies ?

    BTW in all other elections Kenny and FG have performed well.

    Back on front bench...
    Hogan will be rewarded for being major part of Kenny's defense.
    Expect him to stay with Environment.
    Reilly or Hogan to be deputy leader.

    I would say Mitchell, Timmins, Naughten are possibly gone.
    Flanagan or Enright are toast, Enright's only saving grace is she may be there because female needed for gender balance.
    Hayes could be one high profile casualty.
    O'Dowd, Coveney and Varadker may get demotion.
    The latter two need to be in public eye because they have eyes on the leadership role down the road.
    I would love to see Vardkaer get rual affairs or Gaeltacht as way of broadening his horizonts a bit.
    Shatter may get justice.
    deasey and creighton will get job of cleaning the jacks.


    Then again this is all supposition.

    I'd say he'll keep Olwyn, for BOGOF reasons (don't forger her hubby).
    Hopefully Jucinda will get her just deserts, and I'd love to see her cleaning the jacks in the council yard where I work:D
    By the way could anyone do a photoshop of her well known picture postgirl shot with a bucket and mop, I just could'nt be bothered.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,724 ✭✭✭flutered


    j.mayo, kenny thought that all that had to happen at the last election was go through the motions and he would be tshock. elections have to be fought, he has never made things really hard for the gov. i am anything but a gov. supporter, to me that man on tv and radio is akin to watching paint dry, or wood warp, fg have good results in the opinion pools, what is kennys rating, that is the reason for the recent heave, it is said he has done great things for f.g. f.f.s biggest problem is f.f. but kenny has done absolutly nothing to help remove them, i also have a nagging doubt that he will not be tshock


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,227 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    flutered wrote: »
    j.mayo, kenny thought that all that had to happen at the last election was go through the motions and he would be tshock. elections have to be fought, he has never made things really hard for the gov. i am anything but a gov. supporter, to me that man on tv and radio is akin to watching paint dry, or wood warp, fg have good results in the opinion pools, what is kennys rating, that is the reason for the recent heave, it is said he has done great things for f.g. f.f.s biggest problem is f.f. but kenny has done absolutly nothing to help remove them, i also have a nagging doubt that he will not be tshock

    Your post is very hard to read.

    From what I gather you don't rate him and you claim he has done nothing to remove ff ?
    Problem is he can't, short of shooting some of the backbenchers.
    Gilmore can't remove them either.

    ff and cowen have the numbers, simple as that.

    I presume by tshock you mean taoiseach?

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭Bebs


    Are you kidding me? Enda was in opposition against a government which was sleazy, corrupt and inept and he failed dismally to run a coherent opposition to that.

    If Enda 'Up Mayo' Kenny can't run a decent opposition then what makes you think he'd do a better job in government? The best thing that Kenny has going for him at the moment is that he's not Brian Cowen and opinion poll after opinion poll have shown that the floating voters just don't like the idea of Enda as Tshock.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 539 ✭✭✭piby


    unit 1 wrote: »
    What now for Enda? Who does he shoot and who does he keep?

    I actually had a one word answer to this but the Mods deleted it! Anyway I did have a serious point behind that post in that I think Kenny is a poor leader who has been retained by a bunch of backbenchers who were covering their own backs in the hope that they'd get rewarded with a frontbench position. Had Bruton actually won the leadership contest than I may even have considered voting FG in the next election. This, however, is an argument for another thread.

    Kenny is in a difficult postion. He has to reward some of those who backed him but he can't completely shut out all those who blatantly went against him. Bruton has to be retained. He is popular both within the party and as an individual with the electorate but he also has to be put in a role which lessens his influence and reaffirms who's the boss so to speak. I've heard Enterprise spokesman being touted or something along those lines. Leo Varadkar's 'betrayal' will have hurt him as Kenny had personally earmarked him out as one for the future. That said I still think there will be a place for him in the new frontbench due to his links with the Dublin electorate. Those are the only two that I think are indispensible i.e. I'd be more than shocked if either of them were left out! As for the rest I'm not so sure I think any of the other frontbench rebels could face the axe without too much of a complaint but I think perhaps one or two will be retained to keep some sense of continuity while at the same time injecting fresh life and vigour into the party.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    He'll have to put Bruton on the front bench.

    Keep your friends close but your enemies closer.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭Le King


    Enda should never lead the next Government. Right now there is no stand out candidate where you could say: "I'd love him as Taoiseach".

    I'd never vote Fine Gael with their front bench.

    Right now I can see them getting into government, hopefully anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,227 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Well here is FG front bench.

    Details

    * Enda Kenny - Leader
    * Sean Barrett - Foreign Affairs
    * Richard Bruton - Enterprise, Jobs & Economic Planning (including public service reform)
    * Catherine Byrne - Older Citizens
    * Simon Coveney - Transport
    * Deirdre Clune - Innovation & Research
    * Jimmy Deenihan - Tourism, Culture & Sport
    * Andrew Doyle - Agriculture, Fisheries & Food
    * Frank Feighan - Community, Equality & Gaeltacht Affairs
    * Charlie Flanagan - Children
    * Phil Hogan - Environment, Heritage & Local Government
    * Paul Kehoe - Chief Whip (with responsibility for political reform)
    * Michael Noonan - Finance
    * Fergus O'Dowd - Education & Skills
    * John Perry - Small Business
    * James Reilly - Deputy Leader & Health & Children, (with responsibility for policy coordination & implementation)
    * Michael Ring - Social Protection
    * Alan Shatter - Justice & Law Reform
    * David Stanton - Defence
    * Leo Varadkar - Communications & Natural Resources


    I was kinda right on Shatter, naughten, hayes, mitchell, but it wasn't hard with some of them.
    Surprised Doyle got gig since he and Timmins both went against Kenny.

    Supposedly Enright said she did nto want seat for personal reasonsand thus Flanagan survives to keep the biffos and buffalos happy but look what he gets.
    Shatter was rewarded as I said.
    I thought Ring would get agriculture, but I would say Doyle would be casualty if Kenny and Gilmore were doing a government in the morning.

    Varadkar was lucky to not get Community, Equality & Gaeltacht Affairs.

    It will be interesting to see Noonan have a go at Burton and lenihan. :D

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,858 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    jmayo wrote: »
    Richard Bruton - Enterprise, Jobs & Economic Planning (including public service reform)
    Heh. The poisoned chalice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,227 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Heh. The poisoned chalice.

    It is nice one alright.
    He still has a portfolio which is ultra important in our current climate, but the public sector is a touchy subject that someone has to grasp.

    Only one worse would be health and Reilly actually seems to give a sh** about it and is best placed to talk on it.

    Also Reilly is moving closer to being leadership material, it will be remembered by the loyalists that he did not stab his leader in the back.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭maynooth_rules


    So the big loser is Brian Hayes, and a big demotion for Vradaker. The two Fine Gael TDs I have the most respect for. Makes my next vote must less certain. Still think that would be a hell of an improvement on the FF front bench


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,227 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    So the big loser is Brian Hayes, and a big demotion for Vradaker. The two Fine Gael TDs I have the most respect for. Makes my next vote must less certain. Still think that would be a hell of an improvement on the FF front bench

    i look it as between hayes, coveney and varadker.
    One of those definetly had to get it.
    Coeveney was probably saved due to fact he was in Cork.
    Varadker would be seen as a lot brighter and more capable than Hayes.

    Hayes is nothing special to right home about, actually neither are the other two.

    Coveney I believe is a gombeen, he may have gotten good education but it doesn't necessarily me it sunk in and he has been shown up a few times.
    He is form old FG family and daddies connections help.

    Varadker might be the darling of he more right wing element, but he does have habit of putting his foot in his mouth ala references to Garrett.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭maynooth_rules


    jmayo wrote: »
    i look it as between hayes, coveney and varadker.
    One of those definetly had to get it.
    Coeveney was probably saved due to fact he was in Cork.
    Varadker would be seen as a lot brighter and more capable than Hayes.

    Hayes is nothing special to right home about, actually neither are the other two.

    Coveney I believe is a gombeen, he may have gotten good education but it doesn't necessarily me it sunk in and he has been shown up a few times.
    He is form old FG family and daddies connections help.

    Varadker might be the darling of he more right wing element, but he does have habit of putting his foot in his mouth ala references to Garrett.
    But he backed himself up with his comment about Gareth. It wasn't that it was wrong what he said, he was spot on. I found it refreshing that he could be that blunt about a former leader of his party. I do agree on Coveney though, I cant warm to him and he never impresses me when being interviewed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 rashers10


    Noonan, Reilly and Kenny .... gawd. What a combination of fools.
    Makes it very hard to vote for FG.

    A doctor in charge of the health budget? Not sure about that one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭maynooth_rules


    rashers10 wrote: »
    Noonan, Reilly and Kenny .... gawd. What a combination of fools.
    Makes it very hard to vote for FG.

    A doctor in charge of the health budget? Not sure about that one.

    Noonan has shown himself to be very intelligent on all matters regarding economics and finance so to call him a fool is quite idiotic.
    Reilly actually has a plan for the future of the healthcare in this country, which I can assure you will be a lot more beneficial for you and me than Harneys disgrace of a two system set up.
    You are not sure of a doctor in charge of the health budget......at the moment we have an Arts graduate with no party in that brief. I know which id prefer


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,227 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    rashers10 wrote: »
    Noonan, Reilly and Kenny .... gawd. What a combination of fools.
    Makes it very hard to vote for FG.

    A doctor in charge of the health budget? Not sure about that one.

    Yeah it would be much better to have a couple of teachers (harney, martin) and a solicitor (cowen) as the ones in charge of health. :rolleyes:

    Look at the three top people in all the parties.
    Does Happy Gilmore, Joan Burton and Jan O'Sullivan inspire you ?
    Any chance they might have some policies that does involve budget cuts ?

    Does cowen, lenihan and harney inspire you ?
    Well we all know what they have achieved.

    I am not allowed discuss …



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 rashers10


    Noonan has shown himself to be very intelligent on all matters regarding economics and finance so to call him a fool is quite idiotic.
    Reilly actually has a plan for the future of the healthcare in this country, which I can assure you will be a lot more beneficial for you and me than Harneys disgrace of a two system set up.
    You are not sure of a doctor in charge of the health budget......at the moment we have an Arts graduate with no party in that brief. I know which id prefer

    Noonan is a failed leader (but you are right, he's an intelligent guy)
    Reilly is populist and arrogant. I dislike his manner.
    Kenny does not have traction with swing voters. People do not see him as a potential leader of the country (see any polls).
    I'm not sure how effectively a doctor could crack the whip with the consultants, etc.. .but you have a point in that we usually have a teacher in control of the education budget.

    I'm not being deliberately churlish, I just don't think it's a good front bench (especially at the upper tiers).
    I was a FF/PD voter that is looking for somewhere else to put my vote and I'm not seeing anything inspirational here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    rashers10 wrote: »
    A doctor in charge of the health budget? Not sure about that one.

    Still a country mile better than an ex - PD. Doctors are required to show concern for their fellow human, while the exact opposite is a requirement for Harney.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 rashers10


    Still a country mile better than an ex - PD. Doctors are required to show concern for their fellow human, while the exact opposite is a requirement for Harney.

    I'm not here to defend FF or whoever (be a dangerous practice these days), I'm just saying that there are many people looking for a change now are finding it hard to be impressed by whats on offer.
    The leader of the main opposition party should be a shoe-in the way things are at the moment but he's struggling.
    It seems to be 'best of a bad lot' type of choice.

    But I guess that's realpolitik.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    How is defending FF a dangerous practice? I thought Indo hacks as well as RTE clowns like Tubridy were paid fat salaries by their masters?

    Yes people are unimpressed by the opposition, but theyre even more unimpressed with the gobsh!tes in power.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭tim_holsters


    Enda has got to go he's been leader for 8 years already, frankly I'm appalled with Fine Gael that they haven't got rid.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 410 ✭✭trapsagenius


    jmayo wrote: »
    Well here is FG front bench.

    Details

    * Enda Kenny - Leader
    * Sean Barrett - Foreign Affairs
    * Richard Bruton - Enterprise, Jobs & Economic Planning (including public service reform)
    * Catherine Byrne - Older Citizens
    * Simon Coveney - Transport
    * Deirdre Clune - Innovation & Research
    * Jimmy Deenihan - Tourism, Culture & Sport
    * Andrew Doyle - Agriculture, Fisheries & Food
    * Frank Feighan - Community, Equality & Gaeltacht Affairs
    * Charlie Flanagan - Children
    * Phil Hogan - Environment, Heritage & Local Government
    * Paul Kehoe - Chief Whip (with responsibility for political reform)
    * Michael Noonan - Finance
    * Fergus O'Dowd - Education & Skills
    * John Perry - Small Business
    * James Reilly - Deputy Leader & Health & Children, (with responsibility for policy coordination & implementation)
    * Michael Ring - Social Protection
    * Alan Shatter - Justice & Law Reform
    * David Stanton - Defence
    * Leo Varadkar - Communications & Natural Resources


    I was kinda right on Shatter, naughten, hayes, mitchell, but it wasn't hard with some of them.
    Surprised Doyle got gig since he and Timmins both went against Kenny.

    Supposedly Enright said she did nto want seat for personal reasonsand thus Flanagan survives to keep the biffos and buffalos happy but look what he gets.
    Shatter was rewarded as I said.
    I thought Ring would get agriculture, but I would say Doyle would be casualty if Kenny and Gilmore were doing a government in the morning.

    Varadkar was lucky to not get Community, Equality & Gaeltacht Affairs.

    It will be interesting to see Noonan have a go at Burton and lenihan. :D

    I have to say that that is a significantly weaker front bench than pre-heave.The 2 FGers I had most respect for (Bruton and Varadkar) have been, understandably in all fairness, sidelined.

    Just on that subject, didn't a few (bruton and Varadkar included incidentally) of the front bench say that it would be "hypocritical" to take back their front bench positions?Good to see the confidence in Kenny is back so quickly.:rolleyes:
    jmayo wrote: »

    Varadker might be the darling of he more right wing element, but he does have habit of putting his foot in his mouth ala references to Garrett.

    Slagging off Garret Fitzgerald actually made Varadkar go up in my estimation, even if what he said was technically inaccurate (well not the bit about his articles being boring, the bit about tripling the national debt).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,626 ✭✭✭Mal-Adjusted


    flutered wrote: »
    he has thrown away two elections, in my book that is unforgiveable, i cannot see him improving on that,

    :confused: eh....you are aware that not winning an election and throwing an election away are two separate things, right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,227 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    rashers10 wrote: »
    ...
    I was a FF/PD voter that is looking for somewhere else to put my vote and I'm not seeing anything inspirational here.

    So will you still vote for FF ?
    I have to say that that is a significantly weaker front bench than pre-heave.The 2 FGers I had most respect for (Bruton and Varadkar) have been, understandably in all fairness, sidelined.

    Just on that subject, didn't a few (bruton and Varadkar included incidentally) of the front bench say that it would be "hypocritical" to take back their front bench positions?Good to see the confidence in Kenny is back so quickly.:rolleyes:

    Slagging off Garret Fitzgerald actually made Varadkar go up in my estimation, even if what he said was technically inaccurate (well not the bit about his articles being boring, the bit about tripling the national debt).

    ah traps,
    nice to see you still posting around here, but only on FG/Kenny threads ?

    Noonan is not bad, he is smart enough and I can't wait to see him hammer into lenihan.

    I will admit FG front bench is not the greatest, but then again look across at the government :rolleyes:

    The sad thing about Irish politics is that if you put them altogether you would barely find enough for a decent front bench, not that I would include anyone from ff as I see them as being of low moral character. ;)

    Sadly the ones that shoudl be the politicans to best run the country would not be electable and don't have the inclination to do the ass licking necessary, and the ones that are the actual politicans should not be left near running the country.

    Speaking of tripling debts, any chance you have an opinion on biffo sinking the country and lenihan signing blank cheques for Anglo life support ?


    BTW what did old ff faithful jack lynch do to the national debt with his removal of household rates and car tax ?

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 101 ✭✭Jicked


    Presumably I was the type of voter that FG might have been looking to sway, young, never voted FG before but was willing to do whatever necessary to ensure a big defeat for FF. What a horrendous front-bench that is though, very male, very old and very rural. No thanks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,630 ✭✭✭steelcityblues


    A front bench dominated by the 'fogeys', who are part of a generation, or generations of reps., that have contributed to the continual decline in trust of politicians in this country.

    It was questionable if Kenny really had a clue about the changing Ireland, when appointed leader in 2002, and it has been confirmed eight years later.

    Not that the other crowd really know either mind!


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