USENET IS P2P ACCORDING TO VODAFONE

pyromoore

*Edit
Charges are explained as "Data shock" by Voda. Subsequent usenet accesses don't seem to be charged as royally.

watty

The ASAI needs this highlighted. In simpler words than I can do.

This use of the word "Unlimited" and "Broadband" package breaks the English language.!

Matt Bauer

Could you explain what happened exactly, did Vodafone terminate your contract for using Usenet or charge you extra?

Usenet, for those who don't know, is not peer to peer and has nothing to do with peer to peer. I don't even think peer to peer protocols were around yet in 1980, when Usenet was established...

ArseBurger

It's a bit of a stretch for you to say Voda are calling usenet P2P when they call it 'data shock'.

Sounds to me that they hit you with an excessive usage charge for large, probably consistent, downloads. Which is fair.

Matt Bauer

While I don't know the details of this case, with advertising like this (below), it seems like they don't have grounds to charge extra.

"Unlimited", "...you'll never pay more than €24.99, even if you: Download large files"

Unless he wasn't on the unlimited package?

Cabaal

I never like it when people thread spoil by deleteing their first post...affectively..

jor el

http://www.vodafone.ie/terms/paymonthly/#unlimiteddata

T&Cs wrote:

Vodafone has developed a threshold for the Service and the related tariffs by reference to average customer profiles and estimated customer usage of the Service (particularly the estimated volume and length of free calls likely to be made by users) (Threshold). The Threshold is regularly reviewed against average customer usage and is currently set at 10GB per billing period.

So, the unlimited package, which costs €5 more than the regular one, has the same 10GB limit, cannot use VOIP, cannot use Usenet, and possibly cannot use P2P applications, where as the regular service for €19.99 a month can use VOIP, can use Usenet, don't know about P2P as I've never tried, and also has a limit if 10GB.

Why would anyone pay more for less?

pyromoore

Sorry for deleting it.

Basically, I wasn't able to check my usage within the first 6 days of service because of endless bugs in Vodafone's website. On the 7th day I finally managed to check it, and the charge was 680 euro for 2 sessions in which I downloaded 700MB in total. I am on the unlimited tariff, without an addon for P2P or Voip (yet somehow torrents still seem to connect and download, I tried them extremely briefly). I'm not using Vodafone's suite, but a custom software for Linux which either doesn't implement this block, or else Vodafone simply charges more if you try and get around it, which I haven't except to check, to the letter of the contract.

Having contacted vodafone, they say the charges occurred on my first day before I was properly on their system, and so that's where they came from. I realize this is the case, as the dates of the huge charges don't match to the times I used usenet, but rather, to a large software update to my OS when I first plugged in the dongle. According to Vodafone, when I get my bill, I can query the charges and have them quashed. Failing that, I'm going postal on them.

jor el

jor el wrote: »

http://www.vodafone.ie/terms/paymonthly/#unlimiteddata



So, the unlimited package, which costs €5 more than the regular one, has the same 10GB limit, cannot use VOIP, cannot use Usenet, and possibly cannot use P2P applications, where as the regular service for €19.99 a month can use VOIP, can use Usenet, don't know about P2P as I've never tried, and also has a limit if 10GB.

Why would anyone pay more for less?

You folks are looking at the wrong one

I have vodafone unlimited mobile broadband 24.99 a month because i go places alot and heres is THE T&C

Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband Terms and Conditions (post 20/5/10)
The following terms and conditions apply to use of the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband service and are in addition to and form part of the general customer terms and conditions of the Vodafone Ireland Limited ("Vodafone") that relate to the use of Vodafone mobile telecommunications services and, in particular, use of the Vodafone mobile connect card/data services. In the event of any conflict between these terms and conditions and the terms and conditions set out above these terms and conditions shall prevail in respect of the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband Service.
Customers should note that the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband Tariff is only available to mobile data customers of Vodafone Ireland ("Customers") and allows Customers data usage services (subject to these terms and conditions) via their mobile phone account.
Existing Customers on Mobile Connect Card or the Unlimited Data tariff can migrate to the Vodafone Mobile Broadband tariff by contacting their account manager, phoning the business helpdesk on 1907 or calling into a Vodafone Retail store or accredited agent.
Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband Tariff shall be made available to the Customer from the next bill day following sign up.
Vodafone reserves the right to take such action as it considers reasonably necessary, including (but not limited to) suspending or terminating access to the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband service where Vodafone (as it in its sole discretion shall determine) considers that:
such action is in the Customer's best interests;
the Customer represents a credit risk to Vodafone;
a Customer's use of the service is or is potentially:
fraudulent or illegal; or
adversely affecting the Vodafone Network or other Vodafone customers' ability to use or access other Vodafone services provided using the Vodafone Network.
Vodafone reserves the right to control excessive data users on the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband Tariff without further notice to such Customers.
Vodafone reserves the right to withdraw the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband Tariff generally or from any particular Customer at any time and to vary or amend any element of the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband Tariff at any time without further notice. These terms and conditions may be varied or amended by Vodafone for any valid commercial technical or operational reason.
Calling over the internet (VoIP - Voice over Internet Protocol) and data sharing (Peer to Peer) is not supported by the Vodafone's Unlimited Mobile Broadband Tariff. If you want to use such services you should purchase the tailored add-on in this regard.
A Customer can only use Office, ISP and HS Access Point Names (APN’s) when using the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband Tariff. The use of the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Tariff through any other APN’s (including but not limited to WAP or Blackberry) will incur additional out of bundle charges (€1 per Mb).
Data Roaming is excluded from the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband Tariff.
The same return policy applies for new and 'As New' Modems.
If for any reason you wish to return your Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband modem to the store, you can do so within 7 days and receive a full refund. You will also receive a full refund of your first month's Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband payment and no termination charges will apply. Just remember that, in order to avail of this returns policy, the modem must not be faulty due to damage caused to it whilst in your possession and must be returned complete with proof of purchase, packaging, cables, software CD and user guide.

jor el

Deleted User wrote: »

You folks are looking at the wrong one

I have vodafone unlimited mobile broadband 24.99 a month because i go places alot and heres is THE T&C

That is in addition to the one above it (which I quoted), it does not replace it. Since no mention of the FUP limit is given in the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband Terms and Conditions (post 20/5/10) section, the limit in the Vodafone Unlimited Data section applies. The only thing that is said is Vodafone reserves the right to control excessive data users on the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband Tariff without further notice to such Customers which is in line with an FUP being in place, and which is detailed in the preceding term.

jor el

jor el wrote: »

That is in addition to the one above it (which I quoted), it does not replace it. Since no mention of the FUP limit is given in the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband Terms and Conditions (post 20/5/10) section, the limit in the Vodafone Unlimited Data section applies. The only thing that is said is Vodafone reserves the right to control excessive data users on the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband Tariff without further notice to such Customers which is in line with an FUP being in place, and which is detailed in the preceding term.

I talked to the vodafone manager and he said theres no fair use limit. The only time they delete your service if you clog up the network to a point other people can't check their email on their phones. " Constant Peer to peer. etc"

watty

That is a fair use limit. They are refusing to tell you what it is. The traffic on one sector to deny people with a weaker signal a connection isn't that high compared to Fixed Wireless Caps, which are themselves about 1/4 of Cable Broadband caps.

pyromoore

It is defined on their website as 10GB.

In a roundabout way.

"If you exceed normal usage"... they go on to say you'll be monitored and penalized.

Later it says
Normal usage is defined as "10GB per month on average".

So there you have it.

I'm going to exceed the crap out of that limit, naturally, because I >USE< the internet, but if they try and say anything to me on it, I'm going to ram them with false advertising charges. Unlimited means unlimited. End of story.

pyromoore

pyromoore wrote: »

It is defined on their website as 10GB.

In a roundabout way.

"If you exceed normal usage"... they go on to say you'll be monitored and penalized.

Later it says
Normal usage is defined as "10GB per month on average".

So there you have it.

I'm going to exceed the crap out of that limit, naturally, because I >USE< the internet, but if they try and say anything to me on it, I'm going to ram them with false advertising charges. Unlimited means unlimited. End of story.

Ditto. Go on the radio. Why pay €5 for something that limits u not to do P2p and VOIP and still the same 10GB cap.

Our man in Havana

Normal usage is defined as "10GB per month on average".

Knew it!

I wonder will they enforce this?

watty

watty wrote: »

That is a fair use limit. They are refusing to tell you what it is. The traffic on one sector to deny people with a weaker signal a connection isn't that high compared to Fixed Wireless Caps, which are themselves about 1/4 of Cable Broadband caps.

Vodafone 10G Byte (Claims to be Unlimited) May not Connect, Minimum speed about 0.12Mbps
Eircom DSL "NGB basic" branded 10G Byte (*)
Imagine WiMax 30G Byte (Claims to be Unlimited) Erratic Performance
Digiweb Metro 30G Byte (*)
Eircom DSL "NGB regular" branded 30G Byte
UPC Regular 120G Byte (*)


(* higher cap packages exist)

Won't Vodafone simply charge for excess usage at up to €820 per GigaByte (82c a MByte), have we not see that already?