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Is this bill the one that brings down the FF/GE Goverment

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    I don't know, is it? Perhaps you could give a little bit more information.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,488 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    No chance, turkeys don't vote for Christmas. An election is the last thing anyone in FF or the Greens want.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    No. The boyo's will tow the party-line just enough to non-rock the boat and also knowingly do so as to guarantee their seats for just a little longer too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭eoinbn


    Mysons, you need to add your own opinion of the thread will be locked.

    Truely amazing that this is the issue that is causing the government the most trouble. I might be wrong here but I would say that less than 5% of the population REALLY give a damn about this either way. Sure some people might say it's cruel while chewing on a piece of beef and some of us rural folk might view it as an attack on a way of living, but if it was banned hardly anyone would notice or care.

    edit: I doubt it will bring down the government even if it doesn't pass- especially given the latest result in the polls.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,478 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    Oh i wish i wish it would happen


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,466 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    It could fail. There is always a chance that the bill will not pass.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,478 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    Fingers crossed then


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    let us hope..:D:D:D:D:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    It would be hilarious if this of all things caused an implosion. Such a marginal matter and yet as Albert Reynolds noted, "it's the little things that trip you up".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭Sulmac


    It would say a lot if this brought down the government.

    Not NAMA, not the budget cutbacks, not the crises in the health system, not the self-serving nature of certain politicians and the endemic corruption that comes with it - but this.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 412 ✭✭Wide Road


    FG hardly want an election. As a supporter said lately, be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭mysons


    My point to this was that they would pass every other bill ie tax,banks,more tax but they may not pass a bill about stag hunting makes you wonder how they really view the Irish public.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭ian_m


    The public interest is the thought of a much needed general election, rather than the bill itself, and how much it is annoying the FF backbenchers.

    The Greens are bullying their way through with this, because they know time is running out.

    Two independent voters who normaly vote with the opposition Finnian McGrath and Maureen O'Sullivan will be voting with the government instead so that will favour the governement even without Healy-Rea and Lowry.

    Unlikely that they will lose this vote. Sham.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭femur61


    I can't get my head around the media and the public attention this is drawing. The country is in the worst state it has been in, developers are swindling billions, not millions out of the tax payer, governement personale are overpaid by far, women are aborting pregancies because they can't afford to have children and we the worried about stag hunting, BTW I'm a veggie but exremely realistic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    After the revelation that there is still no sign of the Cystic Fibrosis wards, after 2 years, I would be very disappointed if the fecking hunting ban were the one to take down the government.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    Doesn't matter what brings them down as long as they go down, but I don't think this bill will fail to pass.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭ian_m


    femur61 wrote: »
    I can't get my head around the media and the public attention this is drawing.

    Because people want a general election and this is the closest it has got yet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Shea O'Meara


    This is a simple 'Yes' 'No' issue. That's why it's easier to report, talk about. For me, any animal cruelty is bad form, but I'm still hoping the people issues will one day wake the electorate up to the shambles known as Irish society which we currently live in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    Fianna Fail has a reputation for closing ranks when needed. Hanging onto the power is more important than hanging onto any principals... This is a having cake and eating it exercise, that shows up just where the interests of many FF - and other - deputies lay... With a bunch of very, very special interests.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 412 ✭✭Wide Road


    Nijmegen wrote: »
    Fianna Fail has a reputation for closing ranks when needed. Hanging onto the power is more important than hanging onto any principals... This is a having cake and eating it exercise, that shows up just where the interests of many FF - and other - deputies lay... With a bunch of very, very special interests.

    What about the Labour principals? I just read today's Indo. 16 out of their 20 TDs state their opposition to blood sports, including stag hunting. I know it's in the "letters to the editor" section, but is it true?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Well I'm not surprised they are agin Stagg hunting.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭Max Power1


    Wide Road wrote: »
    What about the Labour principals? I just read today's Indo. 16 out of their 20 TDs state their opposition to blood sports, including stag hunting. I know it's in the "letters to the editor" section, but is it true?
    I didnt know that they had any?

    They seem to be against everything that the government does, but with no clear alternatives or reasoning.

    Thats why I despise the politicians in this country currently, we have no credible government and no credible opposition.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 412 ✭✭Wide Road


    Max Power1 wrote: »
    I didnt know that they had any?

    They seem to be against everything that the government does, but with no clear alternatives or reasoning.

    Thats why I despise the politicians in this country currently, we have no credible government and no credible opposition.

    Where is Eamon Gilmore? Why is he so quiet?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭ANXIOUS


    This bill isnt going to bring the goverment down, the only reason lowery and healy ray are voting against it is because they know the goverment still has the numbers.

    Having spoke to finian mcgrath this morning, he is voting with the goverment.

    Yet again this shows labour for the flip flop of a party that they are, as i said to eamon gilmore when i seen him canvasing. Its very well being populist in opposition, but in leaders of countries people demand backbone and the ability to be decisive. Of which you lack both.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 412 ✭✭Wide Road


    ANXIOUS wrote: »
    This bill isnt going to bring the goverment down, the only reason lowery and healy ray are voting against it is because they know the goverment still has the numbers.

    Having spoke to finian mcgrath this morning, he is voting with the goverment.

    Yet again this shows labour for the flip flop of a party that they are, as i said to eamon gilmore when i seen him canvasing. Its very well being populist in opposition, but in leaders of countries people demand backbone and the ability to be decisive. Of which you lack both.

    But where is he? Eamon is on record as being against stag hunting, yet he is voting against the proposal today. Why?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭ANXIOUS


    Wide Road wrote: »
    But where is he? Eamon is on record as being against stag hunting, yet he is voting against the proposal today. Why?

    Well when i seen him, he was in the square in tallaght :D.

    I think the labour party have taken the stance to try and bring down the goverment at every turn, regardless of their position on the bill. Which is their right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,227 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    eoinbn wrote: »
    Mysons, you need to add your own opinion of the thread will be locked.

    Truely amazing that this is the issue that is causing the government the most trouble. I might be wrong here but I would say that less than 5% of the population REALLY give a damn about this either way. Sure some people might say it's cruel while chewing on a piece of beef and some of us rural folk might view it as an attack on a way of living, but if it was banned hardly anyone would notice or care.

    edit: I doubt it will bring down the government even if it doesn't pass- especially given the latest result in the polls.

    It will be an issue like this that appears of no consequence in the grand scheme of things that can actually scupper a coalition.

    I expect the yellows to look for an out sometime in 2011.
    Wide Road wrote: »
    FG hardly want an election. As a supporter said lately, be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it!!

    True they want to see ff have to bring another savage budget to really start peeing off some of the diehards they still have willing to vote for them.

    FG (and even Labour) know damm well that tough budgets have to come in, so why not let the shaggers that caused the mess take a lot of those unpopular decisions.
    At this stage I think we have gone so far down the bank guarantee/NAMA/recapitalisation route that whoever gets in will have their hands tied by the sh*** system setup by ff/yellows. :mad:

    The only real benefit to see ff out would be to see the f***ers getting their asses kicked out of the plum jobs, see the end to their buddies in the quangoes & state boards, and see some real investigations into the mess they helped create and now cover up.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    Its far easier for the FF spin machine that is Independent Newspapers to report on stag hunting, than something that actually matters like, oh, lets see, healthcare or something?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭ANXIOUS


    Its far easier for the FF spin machine that is Independent Newspapers to report on stag hunting, than something that actually matters like, oh, lets see, healthcare or something?

    Why would ff want an issue to come up just before the summer break ( where the governent parties usually enjoy a boost in the polls) that could bring down the governent?

    This I feel is just another post by people on here to say something about ff and wait for the thanks to roll in.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    ANXIOUS wrote: »
    Why would ff want an issue to come up just before the summer break ( where the governent parties usually enjoy a boost in the polls) that could bring down the governent?

    This I feel is just another post by people on here to say something about ff and wait for the thanks to roll in.

    Its typical FF cutehoorism. Pretend to be seen to be doing something about a non - issue (in comparison to healthcare for example), to take people's attention off the mess the place is in. Easily done when you own the press and airwaves and appoint paid court jesters to the Seanad.


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