Irish Players Championship rules on Sponsorship

501darts

Firstly, I like to start on a good note and congratulate all involved on the success of The Irish Players Championship and how well the finals were run.
Now too my grievance, I recently agreed to sponsor Dublin Youth Ryan Maher. Obviously, the idea behind sponsorship is to get as much publicity as possible. However, After reching the final on Sunday (which will be televised), Ryan was informed that he was not allowed to wear my logo as it conflicted with another official sponsor of The Irish Players Championship.
While looking at Players being interviewed I noticed that the background advertising (which advertises official sponsors) had no mention of any darts retailer.
As any dart player looking for sponsorship will tell you it is getting increasingly harder to find willing sponsors with the current economic climate. The Players Championship features Ireland's best dart players and should be a feeding ground for willing sponsors. If such sponsors are then being discriminated against due to Players Championship Politics then they are not going to partake.
Opinions please

paulcorr

501darts wrote: »

Firstly, I like to start on a good note and congratulate all involved on the success of The Irish Players Championship and how well the finals were run.
Now too my grievance, I recently agreed to sponsor Dublin Youth Ryan Maher. Obviously, the idea behind sponsorship is to get as much publicity as possible. However, After reching the final on Sunday (which will be televised), Ryan was informed that he was not allowed to wear my logo as it conflicted with another official sponsor of The Irish Players Championship.
While looking at Players being interviewed I noticed that the background advertising (which advertises official sponsors) had no mention of any darts retailer.
As any dart player looking for sponsorship will tell you it is getting increasingly harder to find willing sponsors with the current economic climate. The Players Championship features Ireland's best dart players and should be a feeding ground for willing sponsors. If such sponsors are then being discriminated against due to Players Championship Politics then they are not going to partake.
Opinions please

Have to agree with you i know someone who pumped thousands into killarney had his company name on the rings around the boards but when it came to the finals they where all changed.He went mad and now as far as i know has pulled his sponsorship.Its a joke you need people putting money into the sport and just like sepp blatter their living in the past.Time to wake up and stop putting obsticles in players way, say you stopped sponsoring ryan over this it would knock him back big time.Im not saying the people who run these events are not doing a good job they are, but they need to listen to players venues sponsors, not just keep going the same way week after week after week.Without sponsors you may well throw your hat at it.

Dicie

paulcorr wrote: »

Have to agree with you i know someone who pumped thousands into killarney had his company name on the rings around the boards but when it came to the finals they where all changed.He went mad and now as far as i know has pulled his sponsorship.Its a joke you need people putting money into the sport and just like sepp blatter their living in the past.Time to wake up and stop putting obsticles in players way, say you stopped sponsoring ryan over this it would knock him back big time.Im not saying the people who run these events are not doing a good job they are, but they need to listen to players venues sponsors, not just keep going the same way week after week after week.Without sponsors you may well throw your hat at it.

The PDC dont let players advertise paddy power bookies if the competition that is being shown is sponsored by ladbrokes....

The BDO (dave prins is proof of this) dont let players advertise any sponsors that may conflict with a company that is sponsoring there events.

180 bets sponsored Dave, and because jackpot bingo or gaming where part advertisers of there event, dave lost his sponsorship.

I was wearing a few diff logos yesterday when playing, and was asked about 2 of them, but because 2 of the 3 where stickers, and i didnt have enough time to do what i had done with the first 1 i got and get it embroidered onto the shirt, thus when got about an hour into practicing they started to peel off the shirt.

The IPC (im not speeking on behalf of the IPC,Micheal sullivan or Joe Coyne) run a great show as iv already said this morning, all players are looked after. Im sure when they approached Ryan, all players where taken into account.

Well played Ryan btw. No doubt Germany coming round at just the right time, all the best over there.

Dicie

Dicie

I shall be wearing these 3 logos at the green isle hotel in august, and a very big thanks to the people that showwed faith in little old dicie...

They wont be stickers, they shall be embroidered onto a few shirts.

Dartgod

501darts wrote: »

Firstly, I like to start on a good note and congratulate all involved on the success of The Irish Players Championship and how well the finals were run.
Now too my grievance, I recently agreed to sponsor Dublin Youth Ryan Maher. Obviously, the idea behind sponsorship is to get as much publicity as possible. However, After reching the final on Sunday (which will be televised), Ryan was informed that he was not allowed to wear my logo as it conflicted with another official sponsor of The Irish Players Championship.
While looking at Players being interviewed I noticed that the background advertising (which advertises official sponsors) had no mention of any darts retailer.
As any dart player looking for sponsorship will tell you it is getting increasingly harder to find willing sponsors with the current economic climate. The Players Championship features Ireland's best dart players and should be a feeding ground for willing sponsors. If such sponsors are then being discriminated against due to Players Championship Politics then they are not going to partake.
Opinions please

In reply to your post - - - firstly, let me thank you for your kind comments on the finals of the Players' Championships.

Secondly, while you are quite entitled to air your grievance on boards.ie please be factual and supply ALL the facts to the readers.

You are well aware that Mr.Darts has been a major sponsor of the Players' Championship since it's inception more than five years ago and in return he has the rights to sell his products at all venues.
He also sponsors other major darts events around the country and enjoys the same rights.

At the Springhill Court Hotel yesterday 501 Darts, not for the first time, attempted to 'gate-crash the party' by handing out 501 Darts stickers 'willy nilly' to almost everybody present without asking permission from the organisers.
I was also informed that stickers were placed on glasses on the front row of tables in an attempt to be picked up by the TG4 cameras - - - not very ethical, Jim !

Regarding Ryan Maher - - - he was asked before he went on stage for the Youths' Final if he was being sponsored by 501 Darts and he cathegorically stated that he WAS NOT !

Whether he was or not, he would not have been allowed to wear the 501 Darts sticker as it was in conflict with Mr. Darts who was the main sponsor of the Youths' Championship.

Regarding your comment that the 'Players' Championship should be a feeding ground for willing sponsors' my only comment to that is that the Players' Championship has stood on it's own two feet over the past five years with some very generous 'willing sponsors' and it will never be a 'feeding ground' for anybody trying to 'jump on the bandwagon' !

We are always open to discussions with would-be sponsors but, unlike other sporting organisations, we do not have a 'back-door' system !

Please, Jim, before posting on this subject again give all the facts and do not attempt to cloud the issue for your own gain !

501darts

Dartgod wrote: »

In reply to your post - - - firstly, let me thank you for your kind comments on the finals of the Players' Championships.

Secondly, while you are quite entitled to air your grievance on boards.ie please be factual and supply ALL the facts to the readers.

You are well aware that Mr.Darts has been a major sponsor of the Players' Championship since it's inception more than five years ago and in return he has the rights to sell his products at all venues.
He also sponsors other major darts events around the country and enjoys the same rights.

At the Springhill Court Hotel yesterday 501 Darts, not for the first time, attempted to 'gate-crash the party' by handing out 501 Darts stickers 'willy nilly' to almost everybody present without asking permission from the organisers.
I was also informed that stickers were placed on glasses on the front row of tables in an attempt to be picked up by the TG4 cameras - - - not very ethical, Jim !

Regarding Ryan Maher - - - he was asked before he went on stage for the Youths' Final if he was being sponsored by 501 Darts and he cathegorically stated that he WAS NOT !

Whether he was or not, he would not have been allowed to wear the 501 Darts sticker as it was in conflict with Mr. Darts who was the main sponsor of the Youths' Championship.

Regarding your comment that the 'Players' Championship should be a feeding ground for willing sponsors' my only comment to that is that the Players' Championship has stood on it's own two feet over the past five years with some very generous 'willing sponsors' and it will never be a 'feeding ground' for anybody trying to 'jump on the bandwagon' !

We are always open to discussions with would-be sponsors but, unlike other sporting organisations, we do not have a 'back-door' system !

Please, Jim, before posting on this subject again give all the facts and do not attempt to cloud the issue for your own gain !

I can assure you I have given nothing but facts.

I understand that Tony has been selling darts supplies for numerous years and has become a major part of the Players Championships. I also want to point out that I have no intentions of tryin to step on Tony's toes by underhandly selling at these events like I have seen at some competitions accross the country.
I know that he may sponsor a lot of events up and down the country but surely if I am willing to part with my own hard earned cash to help these young players I should then be entitled to some of the benifits.

I accept that I passed out stickers to youth players other than Ryan yesterday and in relation to stickers on the glass behind the players il also take responsability.

While I admire the hard work yourself and Joe do in getting these major sponsors on board, whom without the players championship would not be possible I totally disagree with your stance that the Players Championship shouldnt be a feeding ground for sponsors.
Almost every player at the moment would love assistance from a sponsor and I recieve up to 4 or 5 requests almost every week.
Maybe Im missing your point but in my opinion
More Sponsors means More Players which in turn means More Competition which can only help Improve Players and further progress Irish Darts and at the end of the day thats what we all want to see.

In relation to Ryans sponsorship for this event il gladly post EVIDENCE if this is whats needed.

These are the FACTS and my opinions

501darts

Dartgod wrote: »

Please, Jim, before posting on this subject again give all the facts and do not attempt to cloud the issue for your own gain !

I have given all the facts and am awaiting your reply

Dartgod

501darts wrote: »

I have given all the facts and am awaiting your reply

At the risk of repeating myself and at the risk of being accused of blowing our own trumpets I am replying on behalf of Joe and myself as follows - - -

The Ireland Players' Championship has been a phenomenal success since it started more than five years ago mainly due to hard work and the generosity of our sponsors.
Mr. Darts was the first of these sponsors to put his hand in his pocket and has supported the Championship every year since.

The Players' Championship was conceived to give Irish darts players good competition with decent prize money and the players answered the call with up to 200 entrants at many of the venues around the country and with more than € 140,000 in prize money paid out over the five years.

Now, let us get back to last weekend and your attempt to 'gate-crash the party' and 'jump on the band-wagon' - - -

Even if you had sponsored ALL of the players in the Grand Finals on Sunday you had no right to distribute 501Darts stickers to all and sundry without permission from the organisers and you certainly had no right to ask any player to wear your sticker in the final which was being recorded for TG4.
And no matter how much sponsorship you gave to these players it gave you NO ENTITLEMENTS to benefit from the Players' Championship!

It is unfortunate that the youth player in question has been drawn into this controversy but is it true that he was offered €40 worth of merchandise from your website {from your hard-earned cash} on the day after the Grand Finals?

By your own admission you knew of Mr.Darts' involvement with the Players' Championship and we regard it as a 'cheap underhanded stunt' to market {and, ultimately, sell} your darts products with no concern for the sponsors and organisers.
Is that not stepping on somebody's toes ?

IT WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN, JIM !


PS The player interview that you witnessed in the hotel lobby had nothing to do with the Players' Championship.
It was TG4 interviewing one of the Kildare youths, Steven Mooney, in connection with the Kildare victory in the All-Ireland Youths' Championship at the City West Hotel.

501darts

Dartgod wrote: »

At the risk of repeating myself and at the risk of being accused of blowing our own trumpets I am replying on behalf of Joe and myself as follows

You have no need to people to blow your own trumpet, anyone in Ireland who follows darts or has played in the Irish Players Championship knows how well it is run and that credit goes to yourself, Joe and your sponsors.

Dartgod wrote: »

The Ireland Players' Championship has been a phenomenal success since it started more than five years ago mainly due to hard work and the generosity of our sponsors.
Mr. Darts was the first of these sponsors to put his hand in his pocket and has supported the Championship every year since.

The first conversation that I had with you just over a year ago was about sponsorship for the youths competition. You informed me that Tony had rights to sell and that another darts company was not the type of sponsorship ye were looking at and that you were happy with the way things were going.

Dartgod wrote: »

It is unfortunate that the youth player in question has been drawn into this controversy but is it true that he was offered €40 worth of merchandise from your website {from your hard-earned cash} on the day after the Grand Finals?

The youth player in question has received €40 of merchandise from my website for this event as well as sponsorship for all events he enters next year including the Youths Players Championship of which I have been informed he will not be allow to play if he wears 501darts.ie sponsorship.[

paulcorr

Dartgod wrote: »

At the risk of repeating myself and at the risk of being accused of blowing our own trumpets I am replying on behalf of Joe and myself as follows - - -

The Ireland Players' Championship has been a phenomenal success since it started more than five years ago mainly due to hard work and the generosity of our sponsors.
Mr. Darts was the first of these sponsors to put his hand in his pocket and has supported the Championship every year since.

The Players' Championship was conceived to give Irish darts players good competition with decent prize money and the players answered the call with up to 200 entrants at many of the venues around the country and with more than € 140,000 in prize money paid out over the five years.

Now, let us get back to last weekend and your attempt to 'gate-crash the party' and 'jump on the band-wagon' - - -

Even if you had sponsored ALL of the players in the Grand Finals on Sunday you had no right to distribute 501Darts stickers to all and sundry without permission from the organisers and you certainly had no right to ask any player to wear your sticker in the final which was being recorded for TG4.
And no matter how much sponsorship you gave to these players it gave you NO ENTITLEMENTS to benefit from the Players' Championship!

It is unfortunate that the youth player in question has been drawn into this controversy but is it true that he was offered €40 worth of merchandise from your website {from your hard-earned cash} on the day after the Grand Finals?

By your own admission you knew of Mr.Darts' involvement with the Players' Championship and we regard it as a 'cheap underhanded stunt' to market {and, ultimately, sell} your darts products with no concern for the sponsors and organisers.
Is that not stepping on somebody's toes ?

IT WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN, JIM !


PS The player interview that you witnessed in the hotel lobby had nothing to do with the Players' Championship.
It was TG4 interviewing one of the Kildare youths, Steven Mooney, in connection with the Kildare victory in the All-Ireland Youths' Championship at the City West Hotel.

I agree with some of both your points but to come on here and make it a public arguement is wrong this should of been done between the 2 of you in private.As stated in my post earlier i know first hand about sponsorship problems and the hazzle they have caused at previous events.Where a MAIN sponsor of an event had his name removed for the final.After not just putting 40euro into it.I have to say everyone involved in these week after week do an unbelievable job that im sure not many on here would do or be capable of doing at the level they are at right now I think with a little input from players sponsors and other venues than those used right now could only enhance future events.Maybe speading it around the country will lead to more players entering.

Dicie

paulcorr wrote: »

I agree with some of both your points but to come on here and make it a public arguement is wrong this should of been done between the 2 of you in private.As stated in my post earlier i know first hand about sponsorship problems and the hazzle they have caused at previous events.Where a MAIN sponsor of an event had his name removed for the final.After not just putting 40euro into it.I have to say everyone involved in these week after week do an unbelievable job that im sure not many on here would do or be capable of doing at the level they are at right now I think with a little input from players sponsors and other venues than those used right now could only enhance future events.Maybe speading it around the country will lead to more players entering.

He replied to a statement that was made on a public forum. I think the need for a phone call or a private chat was with the original poster.

As for spreading it around the country a bit.

Let me give you 1 case, which is a good enough reason not to do this.

Each yr there is an event held in dublin. In the past the event has not been supported by the dublin players. Why go to places where players wont support it.

The same tour goes to tramore, and gets double the amount of entries. Now, makes perfect sense to go back to tramore rather than go back to dublin, doesnt it.

As for the rest of the country. Dublin is 3 hrs (max from most parts of this country at the moment, they wont turn up, if you had it in there back garden, players wud moan about the travelling (some wud)

If players want to play on proper boards, proper stands, decent structured games, they will travel, them that dont, wont.

dionsiseire

To be Fair Dublin this year had more than Kilkenny had and if it wasnt the 5th tournament it might have more as people look to build their points tally and reach 3 tournaments target to be allowed play in the grand finals

Dartgod

paulcorr wrote: »

I agree with some of both your points but to come on here and make it a public arguement is wrong this should of been done between the 2 of you in private.As stated in my post earlier i know first hand about sponsorship problems and the hazzle they have caused at previous events.Where a MAIN sponsor of an event had his name removed for the final.After not just putting 40euro into it.I have to say everyone involved in these week after week do an unbelievable job that im sure not many on here would do or be capable of doing at the level they are at right now I think with a little input from players sponsors and other venues than those used right now could only enhance future events.Maybe speading it around the country will lead to more players entering.

Of course you are right, Paul, that this should not be a public argument but as Dicie said when somebody makes statements about the Ireland Players' Championship on a public forum and when somebody else {namely yourself} adds fuel to that fire then, surely, we are entitled to come on here to give our side of the story.
Are you not being hypocritical then in mentioning another 'MAIN SPONSOR' of another darts event {namely Killarney} which had nothing to do with this debate and which should have been sorted out 'IN PRIVATE' between the two parties?

Dicie

dionsiseire wrote: »

To be Fair Dublin this year had more than Kilkenny had and if it wasnt the 5th tournament it might have more as people look to build their points tally and reach 3 tournaments target to be allowed play in the grand finals

It wud not matter if it was the 1st or the 5th or the 6th event in dublin. If there happened to be something else arranged for the date in dublin it is putting players in an awful position of having to choose which event they play in.

The IPC dates are there for all to see months in advance, why people wud choose to clash with them when there is something already arranged is beyond me, because the 2 sides miss out, and the players (most importantly) have to make a decision.

Iv had my phone go about 10 times in the last 2 days, people asking is there any events on anywhere, and this isnt the 1st time this has happened, but yet we shall see 2 or 3 events class each month when there are plenty of available dates. It seems some feel clashing with the likes of the IPC is for the benifit of themselves and not for the players.

paulcorr

Dartgod wrote: »

Of course you are right, Paul, that this should not be a public argument but as Dicie said when somebody makes statements about the Ireland Players' Championship on a public forum and when somebody else {namely yourself} adds fuel to that fire then, surely, we are entitled to come on here to give our side of the story.
Are you not being hypocritical then in mentioning another 'MAIN SPONSOR' of another darts event {namely Killarney} which had nothing to do with this debate and which should have been sorted out 'IN PRIVATE' between the two parties?

I dont want to get into an argument with you over this i was just making a point as was said above by dicie when i said it should of been sorted in private he said it was a public forum.I was just trying to say that something similar happened in killarney and i wasnt adding feul to the fire judging by both your replies to each other its a raging inferno already.Its between you both so i think you should sort it out with a phone call. Anyway im not going to say anymore on the matter.

Dartgod

paulcorr wrote: »

Have to agree with you i know someone who pumped thousands into killarney had his company name on the rings around the boards but when it came to the finals they where all changed.He went mad and now as far as i know has pulled his sponsorship.Its a joke you need people putting money into the sport and just like sepp blatter their living in the past.Time to wake up and stop putting obsticles in players way, say you stopped sponsoring ryan over this it would knock him back big time.Im not saying the people who run these events are not doing a good job they are, but they need to listen to players venues sponsors, not just keep going the same way week after week after week.Without sponsors you may well throw your hat at it.

Paul, go back to your original post on this thread on 28/06/10 where you agreed with 501darts - - - if that was not adding fuel to fire then nothing was !
I can assure you that we are not living in the past - - - we always plan for the future !

For my final comment on this thread I will quote Abraham Lincoln who said that 'you can please some of the people all of the time and you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time'.

Unlike Sepp Blatter, who cannot please anyone, we seem to have pleased the Irish darting fraternity with almost 300 different players {men, ladies and youths} competing in the six rounds of the 2010 Championships.
And we are now making our plans for 2011 !

Enough said - - - God has spoken !

paulcorr

Dartgod wrote: »

Paul, go back to your original post on this thread on 28/06/10 where you agreed with 501darts - - - if that was not adding fuel to fire then nothing was !
I can assure you that we are not living in the past - - - we always plan for the future !

For my final comment on this thread I will quote Abraham Lincoln who said that 'you can please some of the people all of the time and you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time'.

Unlike Sepp Blatter, who cannot please anyone, we seem to have pleased the Irish darting fraternity with almost 300 different players {men, ladies and youths} competing in the six rounds of the 2010 Championships.
And we are now making our plans for 2011 !

Enough said - - - God has spoken !

DARTGOD 1-PAULCORR 0

501darts

Iv sat out for a day or two just to view what other peoples opinions were on this.
The consencus seems to be that it should have been a private matter between Myself, Mick and Joe and on hindsight I agree.
I never started this post with the intention of having an arguement or slandering the Players Championship, I was just really annoyed because this wasn't the first time it had happened.
I still believe that sponsorship for players is vital for The Players Championship to truely reach the heights it deserves and yet again want to acknowledge the hard work done by all to get The Players Championship to the level it is.
Iv had the pleasure of playing in the players champioship and despite getting the ****e kicked out of me on most occasions, I enjoyed every minute and hopefully will for a long time yet.
My final point on this is to suggest that a list of Sponsors of each section ( Mens, Ladies, and Youths ) be pubished on www.dartsinireland.com to avoid this happening again and make it easier for players to seek sponsorship.
In realation to Mick's post on pleasing people .... you should see my wife, she's never happy.

DamienDarts26

paulcorr wrote: »

DARTGOD 1-PAULCORR 0

No trouble out of you now 501 in Killarney
Just havin a laugh

Devastator

DamienDarts26 wrote: »

No trouble out of you now 501 in Killarney
Just havin a laugh

:rolleyes:HAAA HAAAAAA:rolleyes:

nearly 3 months after the thread has been dead & buried

501darts

DamienDarts26 wrote: »

No trouble out of you now 501 in Killarney
Just havin a laugh

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