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Latest RedC poll FG up 3%, Lab up 5%, FF nc, Green down 3%

  • 26-06-2010 05:11PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭


    The latest RedC poll released this evening have FG up 3% after the leadership challenge.

    FF - 24% (no change)
    FG - 33% (up 3%)
    LAB- 27% (up 5%)
    Green 2% (down 3%)
    SF - 8% (down 2)
    Others - 6% (down 2)

    FG has gone up despite leadership challenge, but the most satisfying here is to see the Greens fall. I know there is a +/- 3% tolerance but still, they are a hairs width from extinction

    Who for Taoiseach

    Gilmore 40%
    Kenny 29%
    Cowen 18%


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  • Posts: 17,735 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Any sign of the leaders %s?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭IrishTonyO


    Who for Taoiseach

    Gilmore 40
    Kenny 29
    Cowen 18

    edited OP with these as well


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,729 ✭✭✭Pride Fighter


    Who should be the next Taoiseach

    Kenny 29, Gilmore 40 , Cowen 18.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,769 ✭✭✭nuac


    Irish TOny O

    Have you figures for SF and Independents?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭IrishTonyO


    nuac wrote: »
    Irish TOny O

    Have you figures for SF and Independents?
    SF 8% down 2, am editing original message as I get them


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,350 ✭✭✭Het-Field


    IrishTonyO wrote: »
    The latest RedC poll released this evening have FG up 3% after the leadership challenge.

    FF - 24% (no change)
    FG - 33% (up 3%)
    LAB- 27% (up 5%)
    Green 2% (down 3%)
    SF - 8% (down 2)

    FG has gone up despite leadership challenge, but the most satisfying here is to see the Greens fall. I know there is a +/- 3% tolerance but still, they are a hairs width from extinction

    Who for Taoiseach

    Gilmore 40%
    Kenny 29%
    Cowen 18%

    Dont worry, the Greens have become a margin of error. It is possible that they have little or no support at the moment.

    If FG decide to wield the knife after three poor polls, then why are FF not sharpening the daggers after FF have failed to capitalise on another poor poll for FF. Cowen's personal rating is in the gutter, and the party is stuck on a 24% rut.

    The argument that FG/Lab is an unstable coalition is now seriously difficult for FF to proffer, as it is certain that FF will need the Labour Party next time out. The Greens will get one seat, and FF will suffer losses.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Het-Field wrote: »
    The Greens will get one seat...
    Fair play. Your optimistic. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭maynooth_rules


    I am looking forward to the sense of excitement I will feel when the Greens collapse in the next election. I also look forward to Mary White coming to my front door. I am disgusted in myself for believing her **** and giving her my vote in the last election. Lesson well and truly learned


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Can't see why 24% are still supporting FF! It astounds me.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    If FF would only go the way of the Greens *sigh*

    But there are too many stupid people in the country for that to happen.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,002 ✭✭✭bijapos


    If FF and FG would only go the way of the Greens *sigh*

    But there are too many stupid people in the country for that to happen.
    ;)


    Anyway, funny how people on this forum constantly take their eye off the ball and go on about the Greens, its been obvious for some time that they will get 1-3 seats in the next election and will not form a part of a new government, they are not the big news here.

    For me the real issue is that this poll affirms the fact that the country is going from the old two party sytem to a three party one, it has now become acceptable to vote Labour for some who might never have thought about it in the past.

    Nevertheless I dont see the percentage vote translating into seats, I still think that 35 is the max they will ever achieve, more like 30 though.

    FG are holding steady but 33% is still bad for a party in opposition at the height of an economic crisis caused in the main part by the incumbents. They are still a country mile away from an overall majority and that is bad news for them.

    And its proof that FFs vote is a minimum of 25%, probably more in the ballot cubicle itself, its good news for them in the current situation, should translate into 50-55 seats nationwide. A long long way from oblivion I'm afraid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    If FF would only go the way of the Greens *sigh*

    But there are too many stupid people in the country for that to happen.
    It's not as stupid as you would think. Markets don't like political instability.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,002 ✭✭✭bijapos


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    It's not as stupid as you would think. Markets don't like political instability.

    Sorry, but replacing a corrupt right wing party (FF) with another corrupt right wing party (FG) in a democratic election does not amount to "political instability".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭Byron85


    bijapos wrote: »
    Sorry, but replacing a corrupt right wing party (FF) with another corrupt right wing party (FG) in a democratic election does not amount to "political instability".

    I'm not a FG supporter per se, but where is this corruption in the party that you are speaking of?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    bijapos wrote: »
    Sorry, but replacing a corrupt right wing party (FF) with another corrupt right wing party (FG) in a democratic election does not amount to "political instability".

    Don't ya mean "...does not amount to political stability" ?

    Anyway, this is the first I have heard of FG being as possibly corrupt as FF! :eek:
    Care to provide details or is this just another FF type poor attempt to tar all to they see as "enemies of the state" with an unfounded brush?

    We will await your evidence that FG as of yet, can match the terrible track history of inter-seeding corruption - and still ongoing antics of FF...

    I won't hold my breath though! I suspect it will take some time (if ever) to dig up enough stuff to match the level and decades of antics that are only known to FF.
    Still, we will await for you to get back to us with such evidence.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13 Dub in the Sticks


    Does anybody on this board understand real socio-economic politics?

    It's not a fun game for cognoscenti or a fashion parade of who has the cutest leader.

    Politically, there is no difference between any of the parties in the Dáil. They are all owned by the same bank. Have we learned nothing from all the Tribunals? Did the CAB teach us nothing? It's all about the money.

    Ask yourself this question. When the Irish Government has to borrow money where do they go to?

    Not Britain because Britain has a deficit.

    Not the USA because the USA has a deficit.

    Who loans them the money?

    Who do they pay back?

    DitS.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,166 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    Het-Field wrote: »
    Dont worry, the Greens have become a margin of error. It is possible that they have little or no support at the moment.

    It's incredible, it happened to the PD's and now the Greens, yet the party whose policies put the country into economic meltdown enjoy a sizeable hardcore support no matter what they do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭Badabing


    Fianna Fail stay the same at 24% which is their core vote rougly so with the economy hopefully on the upturn they should be in a position to be in goverment after the next election. Intresting to hear if the 32 Fine Gael rebels will be happy with the poll today.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    EF wrote: »
    It's incredible, it happened to the PD's and now the Greens, yet the party whose policies put the country into economic meltdown enjoy a sizeable hardcore support no matter what they do.
    Sometimes craziness just can't be explained with rational reason. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,002 ✭✭✭bijapos


    Biggins wrote: »
    Anyway, this is the first I have heard of FG being as possibly corrupt as FF! :eek:

    I said they are corrupt. I did not say they were as corrupt as FF. Try to read the post again.
    Care to provide details or is this just another FF type poor attempt to tar all to they see as "enemies of the state" with an unfounded brush?

    Well lets take my own area. Dun Laoghaire FG councillors have since the last local elections attemted to rezone several shopping centres (Nutgrove, Stilorgan, Carrickmines) against the wishes of the county manager and against what they said in the run up to the June 09 local elections. This despite the fact that Dundrum Shopping Centre phase II has been postponed for several years and the old shopping centre has been reopened. They have constantly rezoned (with FF) tracts of land here that defy rational thinking and are nothing to do with improving the local economy.

    Btw I am not FF, on a number of occasions I have stated that I have always placed FF at the bottom of the list and FG directly above them when voting. Try to find evidence to the contrary, you won't find it.
    We will await your evidence that FG as of yet, can match the terrible track history of inter-seeding corruption - and still ongoing antics of FF...

    I hope they never match FF, fact is imo they are corrupt and Kenny has constantlt failed to rein in his own councillors. Bad breedin gground I say and the culture of corruption is in the party.

    Incidentally can someone explain to me why under Noonan FG did not accept corporate donations, but Enda Kenny saw fit to overturn this and allow Fg to accept "donations".
    I won't hold my breath though! I suspect it will take some time (if ever) to dig up enough stuff to match the level and decades of antics that are only known to FF.
    Still, we will await for you to get back to us with such evidence

    Try this for starters, local politician, article is a few weeks old: http://www.tribune.ie/archive/article/2010/jan/24/donations-had-no-bearing-on-planning-decision-says/


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    bijapos wrote: »
    I said they are corrupt. I did not say they were as corrupt as FF. Try to read the post again.

    Fair enough - EVIDENCE???
    You say the party is corrupt - please prove it?
    This is Politics section where items more so are requested to be backed up with subsequent relevant material, links, evidence.
    So far you have shown none, that the party is corrupt, so your claim holds very little weight.

    ...and for the record - I am NOT a FG fan.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭Denerick


    If FF would only go the way of the Greens *sigh*

    But there are too many stupid people in the country for that to happen.


    What about the people who genuinely believe a FG/LAB coalition will change the economic reality of this country? That cuts won't be needed? If the people who still vote FF are stupid, then the people who buy into Gilmores empty left wing rhetoric are positively retarded.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭Denerick


    Does anybody on this board understand real socio-economic politics?

    It's not a fun game for cognoscenti or a fashion parade of who has the cutest leader.

    Politically, there is no difference between any of the parties in the Dáil. They are all owned by the same bank. Have we learned nothing from all the Tribunals? Did the CAB teach us nothing? It's all about the money.

    Ask yourself this question. When the Irish Government has to borrow money where do they go to?

    Not Britain because Britain has a deficit.

    Not the USA because the USA has a deficit.

    Who loans them the money?

    Who do they pay back?

    DitS.

    +1

    Unfortunately far too many people want to live in fantasy land were Kenny/Gilmore will create a new island full of gold underneath rainbows and endless supplies of 100k per annum jobs in 'high skill' sectors, with hospitals and universities round every corner in the land. Can we have a bit of realism, please?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭IrishTonyO


    Denerick wrote: »
    +1

    Unfortunately far too many people want to live in fantasy land were Kenny/Gilmore will create a new island full of gold underneath rainbows and endless supplies of 100k per annum jobs in 'high skill' sectors, with hospitals and universities round every corner in the land. Can we have a bit of realism, please?

    Haven't seen any posters like you suggest above, but have seen many who think that FF have got us in the sh1t, and it is time for someone else to take control as they couldn't do as bad a job as FF has done already.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭Denerick


    IrishTonyO wrote: »
    Haven't seen any posters like you suggest above, but have seen many who think that FF have got us in the sh1t, and it is time for someone else to take control as they couldn't do as bad a job as FF has done already.

    I'd agree with that sentiment, but people who think that the only barrier to prosperity and recovery in this country is the Fianna Fáil party really need to check themselves into a mental institution.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Denerick wrote: »
    +1

    Unfortunately far too many people want to live in fantasy land were Kenny/Gilmore will create a new island full of gold underneath rainbows and endless supplies of 100k per annum jobs in 'high skill' sectors, with hospitals and universities round every corner in the land. Can we have a bit of realism, please?

    I only wish Dub in the Sticks would provide some answers besides posting conspiracy mood type questions too!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,002 ✭✭✭bijapos


    Biggins wrote: »
    Fair enough - EVIDENCE???
    You say the party is corrupt - please prove it?
    This is Politics section where items more so are requested to be backed up with subsequent relevant material, links, evidence.
    So far you have shown none, that the party is corrupt, so your claim holds very little weight.

    ...and for the record - I am NOT a FG fan.

    You don't seem to have bothered to read the post or the link. "Donations" off developers in John Baileys case are imo corrupt payments. Tip of the iceberg here.

    If you believe that FG are an honest, corruption free party then you are simply naive. They may be less corrupt than FF, still does not make them clean and honest in my book.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭Eliot Rosewater


    I partly agree with IrishTonyO. Democracy is about accountability, and over the past years FF have pursued polices to the detriment of the economy. I obviously want to punish them for this. But there's no point doing this by voting for SWP or Eirigi; that amounts to cutting off your nose to spite your face. We have to look into the future too, and try and see what party would provide the best policies in the coming years. At the moment FF are taking some austerity measures, not enough, it seems to me, but it's lot better that the wishy-washy capture all votes promises from levy-is-a-spending-cut Labour.

    I'm not overly enamoured with Fine Gael, either.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    bijapos wrote: »
    You don't seem to have bothered to read the post or the link. "Donations" off developers in John Baileys case are imo corrupt payments. Tip of the iceberg here.

    If you believe that FG are an honest, corruption free party then you are simply naive. They may be less corrupt than FF, still does not make them clean and honest in my book.

    So one example adds up to a whole corrupt party? :confused:
    Laughable, just laughable. Sorry.
    I see no evidence that FG (or any other main mainstream party) is compromisingly corrupt - to any degree or as much as Fianna Fail.

    Your attempted tainting just don't wash but I'm sure you will keep trying without further backup evidence to prove your claim.

    If your still going to make such claims, be prepared to back them up or be called out on them.
    Your not playing in the kids playground here where just anything that is thrown out, goes unchallanged.


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  • Posts: 22,785 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Fine gael are too inept to be corrupt.

    As for the poll it's ridiculous,the 2nd ridiculous one in a row...

    I mean a third of the people who want Gilmore as Taoiseach have said elsewhere in the poll that they are not voting labour :rolleyes::rolleyes:

    If thats the caliber of intellectual red c are polling,then their polls are worthless.


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