having problems with my teeth??feels like a fist is in my gum

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im having a serious problem now for the past while. my top teeth are giving me problems, the second tooth after your k9's, its like a trobbing but without the pain, the best way i can explain it is , it like a migrain, its there in my gum trobbing away but there not pain like i had before when i had a tootache.and when i push my jaw out it feels like it expands in the gum or something i dont know how to explain it:S:( i must add sometimes i do get the odd head ache and the pain around the eye!! iv been to my local dentist and he just said it was me grinding my teeth and the muscle in my gum but somethings telling me its not, if its bothering that much, and it wont be the first time that the dentist im talking about have had a bad job done on them!! im just worryied right as iv had a tooth pulled before and its was the one after the k9,on top right hand side,and the tooth that has the trobbing is the one after that

i have the odd trob/soft pain on the opossite the oposite top side of my mouth aswell and sometimes blood is around when i brush my teeth
just thought id come to this thread and ask what do people think

thanks

all the best

limericklassy

From what i hear, jaw ache is right behind back pain as one of the most frequent pains in the body. i was watching the "the doctors" show on tv one day, and they said botox was very good in relieving the pain. it relaxes the muscle. Some times they will want to give you anti-depressants as this relaxes the muscles around the jaw bone. Other than botox, pain killers is the only option

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but can this not be fixed ??? and bottox never heard that being used with dental issues before ? its the top teeth tho . . and i cant keep taking pain killers thought thats bad for you because you can become to reliant on them and i know someone that this happened to and it was like a addiction

limericklassy

What the botox does is relax the muscles around the mouth..i suppose addiction could happen with everything...


http://www.docshop.com/education/dermatology/injectables/botox/jaw-tension/

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but would i not have to keep going back to get it done though and i say it would cost though!!

ballsymchugh

i've no idea how botox is mentioned here. go to a different dentist and get a second opinion if you must, but situations change with a bit of time. you could go back to your original dentist and something may be there that wasn't there previously may show up. for example, it can take a few days for pathology to show up on an xray after the initial pain.
if your gums are bleeding that's a sign of inflammation and you're not cleaning them adequately.

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well iv metioned it to my dentist before and he sed it was grinding teeth but now thet im going back would you say hel take an xray?? think ill go to another dentist and ask because its getting worse and i cant really take it much longer

MagicMarker

OP, first off I would definitely recommend seeking a second opinion.

Secondly, I would suggest never taking seriously advice from someone who saw it on ''The Doctors'', or in fact anyone who watches ''The Doctors''.

limericklassy

If you had seen the show i was talking about, you would understand where i was coming from..

A woman who tried everything to get rid of pain in her mouth decided to give botox a try.. it worked for her.

Xray wont show up anything imo..

but with the irish health system, go for a second opinion..

"Although BOTOX® treatment for these conditions is presently experimental, evidence indicates that it can be extremely effective"

ballsymchugh

limericklassy wrote: »

If you had seen the show i was talking about, you would understand where i was coming from..

A woman who tried everything to get rid of pain in her mouth decided to give botox a try.. it worked for her.

Xray wont show up anything imo..

but with the irish health system, go for a second opinion..

what are you basing that on??
irish dentists are very well educated.

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imho i think my dentist isnt educated because he has butchered peoples teeth before and when people went too other dentists they were like what has been done to your teeth.theres another dentist where i live but that doesnt look like the nicest of places tbh really old and wall paper falling off the wall etc i know its not about the looks but if you could see this place,there are 2 other dentists but i think you have to pay and im on the medical card and i cant afford the price of the bills atm

i didnt really take the bottox serious tbh

limericklassy

ballsymchugh wrote: »

what are you basing that on??
irish dentists are very well educated.

basing it on experience!

One guy i had didnt take all the tooth when he pulled it out, thus dry socket set it, thus severe pain...

ballsymchugh

dry socket is not caused by the dentist's lack of education. it's caused by a number of factors of your own physiological state. the fact that you're female is just one of them. as for leaving the roots behind, that's also not dependent on education. there are some circumstances where it's beneficial not to go chasing broken roots if you feel that more damage could be done.

edit: the xray would also have determined if it was beneficial to chase the broken root in case of:
lower tooth - damaging the nerve to the lip
upper tooth - forcing the root into the sinus so that every time you move your head you feel this thing knocking about.
there are some very well qualified surgeons that cut the tops off teeth and let the roots erupt a bit more until they're away from these kind of areas so that that can extract them without causing any long term damage.

you've no idea what's up with the OP, i've a fair idea but can't say as he/she is just another poster typing opinions. so to suggest botox at all after seeing it on one show is really daft. sorry, but it is.

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could you pm me what you think it is or what your opinion is on whats wrong with me?? no harm in having a bit of an idea

ballsymchugh

ok, your first post is a bit confusing since you say you don't have pain but it's like a migraine, and i'm sure they are painful!!
so, clean slate.

what kinda discomfort?
pain - sharp or throbbing?
time it lasts when you get it?
what time of the day do you notice it most?
is there anything that aggrevates it, making it worse?
how long have you had the discomfort?
do you take anything for it?
why did you have the other tooth taken out?

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what kinda discomfort? . . .its like its rotten in the gum or something, like the feeling after eating chocolate, the only really way i can explain it its like a fist in my gum
pain - sharp or throbbing? sumtims sharp and sumtims throbbing but then goes away for a bit
time it lasts when you get it? sometimes stays for a while but sumtims stays away for a while
what time of the day do you notice it most? at night mostlly but sometimes during the day
is there anything that aggrevates it, making it worse? i dont know because i stopped eatin crappy/hard sweat and coke and all thats since iv gotten my other tooth out
how long have you had the discomfort? iv had it for a good while now since xmas but has gotten worse over the past 2 months but i explianed to him about the hole fist in gum thing when i was in the dentists about 3 motnhs ago
do you take anything for it? no i dont take anything for it ( dont have the money atm for pain killers
why did you have the other tooth taken out? it was very very soar, very sharp pains and trobbing , i went down in the morning for the emergencie clinic and he just sed it needs a filling , then the numing injection wore off awww god it was worse and i had to go abck down and have it taken out it was so so soar it was unreal

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i do brush my teeth almost 3- 4 times aday because i hate that dirty feeling on my molars/back teeth

ballsymchugh

the fist in the gum sounds weird. no offense, but i can't really understand that. is it a pressure kinda thing?
if chocolate is making it worse then you've probably got some decay there. but since it's been 3 months since you were at the dentist and 6 months since you noticed the first tingling, then the situation could be worse. it may be infected (which would go a long way to explaining the pain at night thing).
seriously, if you don't like the original dentist, there's nothing to stop you from going somewhere else. google dentists in your area and see if anyone else takes the med card. there's no need at all to ever go around in pain.

about the last filling, it may have been a dressing to see if the tooth could survive with a normal filling. they're hit and miss. usually work fine, but in some cases, including yours, they don't and the tooth ends up being taken out.

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ballsymchugh wrote: »

the fist in the gum sounds weird. no offense, but i can't really understand that. is it a pressure kinda thing?
if chocolate is making it worse then you've probably got some decay there. but since it's been 3 months since you were at the dentist and 6 months since you noticed the first tingling, then the situation could be worse. it may be infected (which would go a long way to explaining the pain at night thing).
seriously, if you don't like the original dentist, there's nothing to stop you from going somewhere else. google dentists in your area and see if anyone else takes the med card. there's no need at all to ever go around in pain.

about the last filling, it may have been a dressing to see if the tooth could survive with a normal filling. they're hit and miss. usually work fine, but in some cases, including yours, they don't and the tooth ends up being taken out.

ye i know it wierd but i dont know how to explain it, ye its like a pressure thing, the only reason why i havent been back is because the dentist didnt comment on the state of my teeth or that i need fillings, i think i need fillings on my bottom teeth as you can see the feelings are worn and nearly gone

would you say an xray would be the case to see what the problem is ??

limericklassy

it was broken tooth left behind that stopped it from healing! imo.. from what i gather from the thread, is that he has tried a few things to get rid of pain! Botox use for this is still in its infancy and would seem logical to use if everything else has been tried

ballsymchugh

limericklassy wrote: »

it was broken tooth left behind that stopped it from healing! imo.. from what i gather from the thread, is that he has tried a few things to get rid of pain! Botox use for this is still in its infancy and would seem logical to use if everything else has been tried

so you think it's worth paralysing part of his/her face to sort out what could be a simple problem?

Big_G

Lets just clarify a few things here:
A piece of tooth being left behind does not cause dry socket.
Botox is used as an experimental therapy in myofascial pain syndromes and syndromes where muscle spasm is an issue. It is used to temporarily stop nerve fibers transmitting. It is a treatment of symptoms and not a treatment of the causes of pain. That is referred to as a palliative treatment.

We do not engage in diagnosis in this forum for obvious reasons. The best advice that can be offered here is to seek a second opinion and if English is not your native language get someone who speaks it better than you to translate for the dentist.

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