Series 5, Episode 13 - " The Big Bang "

BaconZombie · 23-06-2010 11:28pm #1


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Daemos · 23-06-2010 11:59pm

Wrong episode number buddy, this is what happens when you try to outfox me and pixelburp

Doctor DooM · 24-06-2010 12:11am

Poor pixelburp.

Not cool

We all know he's got nothing to do on a Friday but make our episode thread

monosharp · 24-06-2010 12:34am

BaconZombie wrote: »

HTTP://Pandorica.com/

Is that Davros's face ?

Daemos · 24-06-2010 12:40am

:eek:

It so is! Is that a real BBC site?!

Raphael · 24-06-2010 12:57am

Created on April 26th, not officially registered to the BBC or anything though.

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/pandorica.com

K-9 · 24-06-2010 1:30am

Clip from the episode:

Cracktor Who

UK TV listings *CONTAINS SPOILERS!

Cracktor Who

Matt Smith introduction:

Cracktor Who

BaconZombie · 24-06-2010 2:38am

I got the name from TVRage since I know it should not have spoilers.

DaPoolRulz wrote: »

Wrong episode number buddy, this is what happens when you try to outfox me and pixelburp

Mod:

Please edit the Titles.

pixelburp · 24-06-2010 8:00am

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Poor pixelburp.

Not cool

We all know he's got nothing to do on a Friday but make our episode thread

I ... I ... I don't know what to do with myself. I feel so ... useless! Now I'm going to have to work on my Friday afternoon. Work.

Is that an official site btw? I'm not sure that it is, cos I downloaded that image, did a little tinkering with the contrast and ...

http://www.pixelburp.com/temp/TheEndbegins.jpg

Pittens · 24-06-2010 8:54am

So this could be the new place for theories about the finale. I have loads!!!

VinLieger · 24-06-2010 9:19am

I dunno about this davros thing, when the crack appeared in the tardis in episode 11 and the voice said "silence will fall" the first thing i thought was davros as it sounded alot like him, but theyd hardly bring him back again this soon would they?

Apolloyon · 24-06-2010 10:09am

It's obviously Davros's evil twin: Sorvad!

We're in trouble now!:eek:

Doctor DooM · 24-06-2010 10:12am

Lads don't read those spoilers.

I can't think of a way to explain the spoilers which won't actually be a spoiler, but I wish I hadn't!

pixelburp · 24-06-2010 10:19am

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Lads don't read those spoilers.

I can't think of a way to explain the spoilers which won't actually be a spoiler, but I wish I hadn't!

Oops

There's no way in hell I'm reading any reviews, spoilers or innuendo on this episode: I want to be clean going into this episode for once, maintain the sense of excitement!

Even a regular sciFi blog I read (io9) that has daily show spoilers has refused to print any from Saturday's episode.

Pittens · 24-06-2010 10:59am

Ok, so no spoilers in this thread then?

I have a theory which was based on a production still I saw, but fair enough.

pixelburp · 24-06-2010 9:56pm

Pittens wrote: »

Ok, so no spoilers in this thread then?

I have a theory which was based on a production still I saw, but fair enough.

Well I'm sure theories are fine - when was the production still released? Sure just to be safe, you can tell us your theory, but only using interpretive dance.

Killer_banana · 24-06-2010 11:18pm

...or just use spoiler tags....although I do like the interpretative dance idea. Maybe you could fuse the two somehow?

mach1982 · 25-06-2010 5:16pm

QUOTE=K-9;66567070]Clip from the episode:

UK TV listings *CONTAINS SPOILERS!

Cracktor Who

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Look like some at lest one of our theories are right.

Raedwald · 26-06-2010 2:05pm

Less than 3 hours to go cant bloody wait for this finale, specially given the high standard of the rest of the series.

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 26-06-2010 4:35pm

Just rewatched 'The Pandorica Opens' in anticipation for tonight... The excitement is unbearable... Only 30 minutes to go...

nicowa · 26-06-2010 4:35pm

25 mins! Argh! Can't wait!

dancingmonkey08 · 26-06-2010 4:39pm

Cant believe its nearly here! Its been an unbearable wait! Hope all you guys enjoy it

Motley Crue · 26-06-2010 5:33pm

BBC TV in the North East of England has just seemed to collapse completely during the final episode of Doctor Who!:mad:

nicowa · 26-06-2010 6:00pm

Motley Crue wrote: »

BBC TV in the North East of England has just seemed to collapse completely during the final episode of Doctor Who!:mad:

I'm really sorry. You missed possibly the best episode of Doctor Who EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Daemos · 26-06-2010 6:02pm

Fantastic, brilliant... erm... geronimo!

K-9 · 26-06-2010 6:02pm

Motley Crue wrote: »

BBC TV in the North East of England has just seemed to collapse completely during the final episode of Doctor Who!:mad:

BBC3 should have it tomorrow night at 7.

Fantastic stuff. Exceptional acting from Matt.

Busi_Girl08 · 26-06-2010 6:03pm

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

Stephen Moffat is a GENIUS!!!

That was effin' brilliant!!

Coldzone · 26-06-2010 6:04pm

Now that was the way you end a series
Fantastic!!!

8mv · 26-06-2010 6:07pm

That was astonishing! Really clever and understated. I was worried that they would find some cop-out explanation but that was great.

RTD and D. Tennant have been replaced with very worthy sucessors.

Eyespy · 26-06-2010 6:07pm

WOW!!! Epic

Pittens · 26-06-2010 6:08pm

The duckless duck pond was never answered.

sucks.

Fysh · 26-06-2010 6:09pm

...I'm very confused. The rationale behind the universe exploding but kind of not didn't make any sense, although I did like the efforts to show some Time-traveller-version of internal consistency. Some cute touches, but it sort of got away from itself a bit.

Also, did anyone else get a bit of a James Bond vibe from the end.

Also also - I *heart* that the picture in the first post of this thread now features a Teletubby

nicowa · 26-06-2010 6:10pm

Coldzone wrote: »

Now that was the way you end a series
Fantastic!!!

I was almost afraid that they were going to leave it to the next season or something...

Matt was brilliant. The story of "the Boy who waited" was amazing and so tearjerkingly brilliant! And I'm so happy they filled in the blanks, the "non"-continuity error, what he said to her "when she was seven" though I'm still a little confused about that one. The popping back and forth in time - brilliantly done.

Love the FEZ!

-still going to watch the whole thing - Part 1 and 2 - all over again, just for fun...

Raedwald · 26-06-2010 6:10pm

Feekin brilliant ending to the series

...Can't believe have to wait six months to christmas

:(

Fair play to Moffet, to have what looks like is going to be one story arc essentially spread out between the three years that the cast have signed for will have taking some planning and if the next series continues in the same vein i will be one happy Who fan.

mach1982 · 26-06-2010 6:12pm

A tiny bit disappointed, as it still left some questions, who was that said "Silence will fall" an why the Tardis blew up? At least we know we'll see River again and we'll find who she is, my bet is still she's a Time Lady , as she nearly as smart as the Doctor and understand what he is on about. Still can't wait fro the Christmas episode.

Pittens · 26-06-2010 6:14pm

A tiny bit disappointed, as it still left some questions, who was that said "Silence will fall" an why the Tardis blew up

Christmas special, I think. The doctor did mention that at the end. That he didnt know...

EDIT: or a 3 series arc as Raedwald said.

nicowa · 26-06-2010 6:14pm

Fysh wrote: »

...I'm very confused. The rationale behind the universe exploding but kind of not didn't make any sense, although I did like the efforts to show some Time-traveller-version of internal consistency. Some cute touches, but it sort of got away from itself a bit.

I think the fact that it's a TARDIS exploding is why it was exploding in every corner of the universe.

Pittens wrote: »

The duckless duck pond was never answered.

sucks.

Sucks, but now we have a Rory Pond!

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 26-06-2010 6:15pm

Oh that was good... That was very good... Quite fantastic in fact... I'm failing to find a word to justify how good that actually was...
When Amy came out of the Pandorica at the beginning it had me shouting "What the F*ck" repeatedly at the television throughout the theme tune...
That is how a series finale should be done... Just brilliant...
Brilliant performances by Matt, Karen, Arthur, Alex and of course little Caitlin... And Moffat has outdone himself - well done sir, well done...

Raedwald · 26-06-2010 6:15pm

mach1982 wrote: »

A tiny bit disappointed, as it still left some questions, who was that said "Silence will fall" an why the Tardis blew up? At least we know we'll see River again and we'll find who she is, my bet is still she's a Time Lady , as she nearly as smart as the Doctor and understand what he is on about. Still can't wait fro the Christmas episode.

Yes lots still to be answered but as they are still trying to figure out why that date in time, who is the voice, who controlled the tardis etc they have the next series and possibly the one after that to flesh all that stuff out and reveal all.

qwertplaywert · 26-06-2010 6:16pm

It didn't top last week, but that would be an impossible ask. Great way to end the season, although ending it after last weeks episode would have really been something..
Still, far better than any of the RTD finales

mach1982 · 26-06-2010 6:19pm

One other thing where you Amy disappear too ???

nicowa · 26-06-2010 6:20pm

qwertplaywert wrote: »

It didn't top last week, but that would be an impossible ask.

Sorry, completly disagree. Best episode ever! Not just cos of the plot line - which was pretty amazing - it was the fact that - apart from maybe how Young!Amy's drink disappeared and that, obviously, the Doctor would survive - I wasn't able to second guess for a second, what was going to happen.

Possibly, partly due to the fact that it was so fast-paced.

Fysh · 26-06-2010 6:22pm

nicowa wrote: »

I think the fact that it's a TARDIS exploding is why it was exploding in every corner of the universe.

Yeah, but the thing is - that would mean that the safety of the TARDIS is an absolute priority for the safety of the entire universe. Which, given that we've already had the Alliance turning up to do a really half-assed job of imprisoning the Doctor, should mean that every race with similar technology should be gathering together to either stop it being invented or get seriously narky with anyone trying to use one.

I mean, yes, I sort of see the individual plot items - but lining them up in order, they don't really make any sense. The cracks in the universe were spread throughout time by the TARDIS exploding - OK, that's basically the same gimmick as Bad Wolf, I can live with that. But the TARDIS exploding everywhere in space means that some bits of spacetime get eaten instantly, but not others, and definitely not those ones that contain a machine that can from within spacetime repair all of it. Not to mention that the rate at which spacetime gets eaten appears to be not so much random as selected to allow the protagonists to survive.

It wasn't quite as bad as some of RTDs stuff, but the logic is a bit too close to that finale where the Master made everyone on Earth into a clone of him. Yes, fine, impressive visual for a cliffhanger, but, er, what?

K-9 · 26-06-2010 6:22pm

CaptainNegative wrote: »

Oh that was good... That was very good... Quite fantastic in fact... I'm failing to find a word to justify how good that actually was...
When Amy came out of the Pandorica at the beginning it had me shouting "What the F*ck" repeatedly at the television throughout the theme tune...
That is how a series finale should be done... Just brilliant...
Brilliant performances by Matt, Karen, Arthur, Alex and of course little Caitlin... And Moffat has outdone himself - well done sir, well done...

BBC doing "Amys best bits" (Oooh Matron) on their website was very good. Really thought she was gone.

Fez's are cool and "Hi, honey I'm home" was hilarious.

I think any doubters about Matt can be silenced now. Really looked beyond his years.

Pittens · 26-06-2010 6:28pm

Fysh wrote: »

I mean, yes, I sort of see the individual plot items - but lining them up in order, they don't really make any sense. The cracks in the universe were spread throughout time by the TARDIS exploding - OK, that's basically the same gimmick as Bad Wolf, I can live with that. But the TARDIS exploding everywhere in space means that some bits of spacetime get eaten instantly, but not others, and definitely not those ones that contain a machine that can from within spacetime repair all of it. Not to mention that the rate at which spacetime gets eaten appears to be not so much random as selected to allow the protagonists to survive.

they were at the eye of the storm. The universe was exploding around the tardis which was close to the earth. it also exploded on the 26th June - tooay - but the effects were felt back in time. So it was exactly on the 26th June that the universe would have ended, and the explosion happened, so the Earth and the universe had to last that long ( otherwise it would have had it's own paradox) . The effect of the explosion near Earth was felt back in time throughout the ages - hence the lack of stars in human history, but the end of the universe and the date of the explosion was on the 26th June.

that was fine. The Doctor coming from Amy thoughts was a bit RTD, but it has been signalled for ages.

EDIT:

also not fine was the lack of explanation of the missing ducks. Otherwise I am happy.

nicowa · 26-06-2010 6:32pm

Pittens wrote: »

it [also] exploded on the 26th June - today

I never got that...

Fysh · 26-06-2010 6:35pm

Pittens wrote: »

they were at the eye of the storm. The universe was exploding around the tardis which was close to the earth. it also exploded on the 26th June - tooay - but the effects were felt back in time. So it was exactly on the 26th June that the universe would have ended, and the explosion happened, so the Earth and the universe had to last that long ( otherwise it would have had it's own paradox) . The effect of the explosion near Earth was felt back in time throughout the ages - hence the lack of stars in human history, but the end of the universe and the date of the explosion was on the 26th June.

But either it's everywhere & everywhen, or it's in one specific place and time. The former means all places and times, ie no bloody "eye of the storm".

You can't have it be everywhere and everywhen at those moments where your plot requires it, but not be everywhere the rest of the time, and give no explanation for what's changed. I mean, the exploding TARDIS takes the place of Sol in our solar system over the 2000odd years that the story spans, in the revised universe that is slowly falling apart. Why would there be any "eye of the storm" if the exploding TARDIS is there at all moments in between? (Aside from "because the story needs one", that is).

Edited to add:

Let's not get into the paradox of the Pandorica allowing people and things erased from time to come back - because the easiest way for that paradox to be resolved is for the Pandorica itself to also get erased from time. Or why the species that had been erased from time after the Pandorica closed weren't so erased that they actually disappeared and were forgotten, but just got turned into stone statues.

Pittens · 26-06-2010 6:40pm

But either it's everywhere or it's in one specific place. Being everywhere means everywhere, ie no bloody "eye of the storm". You can't have it be everywhere when your plot requires it, but not be everywhere the rest of the time, and give no explanation for what's changed.

You are probably over analyzing a show which has a lot more paradoxs than that one.

I think it makes sense in a timey wimey wibbly wobby way. If there is an explosion in space time on or near the Earth on the 26th of June 2010 which causes the rest of the universe to have never been then the effect would be felt last on earth as the Earth has to get to 26th June 2010. As I said. Everything else blinked out, and lastly the Earth.

it exploded which means that it would have been the Sun for the 2000odd years that the story spans)

The explosion happened on the 26th June. I have no idea if that explosion was seen back in time or it replaced the Sun on that day. It should have been night when they left the museum.

nicowa · 26-06-2010 6:54pm

Fysh wrote: »

But either it's everywhere or it's in one specific place. Being everywhere means everywhere, ie no bloody "eye of the storm". You can't have it be everywhere when your plot requires it, but not be everywhere the rest of the time, and give no explanation for what's changed. (Quite aside from which is, it replaced the Sun once it exploded which means that it would have been the Sun for the 2000odd years that the story spans).

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HandWave

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeLogic

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoctorWho

And just for fun (limited time offer as it will shortly be updated):
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/DoctorWhoS31E13TheBigBang

What that page says/said:

Since the universe ended last time, this episode is a 55 minute apology with gentle music...

PS: WARNING: Don't click if you have an addictive personality or have something you really need to do today!
(http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife)

mach1982 · 26-06-2010 6:59pm

Fysh wrote: »

Let's not get into the paradox of the Pandorica allowing people and things erased from time to come back - because the easiest way for that paradox to be resolved is for the Pandorica itself to also get erased from time. Or why the species that had been erased from time after the Pandorica closed weren't so erased that they actually disappeared and were forgotten, but just got turned into stone statues.

But who built the Pandorica? I don't think the Alliance would be smart enough. Who know how to stop a Lord and other Time Lord?

Chuchoter · 26-06-2010 7:15pm

That was....less cool than I was expecting. Bit deus ex machina the whole thing.

Series 5, Episode 13 - " The Big Bang "

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