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Revelation 8:8,9 and the Gulf oil spill.

  • 23-06-2010 12:06pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭


    Does anybody here believe that the 2nd Angel's trumpet is being blown right now in the Deepwater horizon oil gusher, the oil looks red like blood, the sealife is dying, and it's only the beginning, the oil cannot be stopped, the mountain may be rumbling below about to make its arrival known in a huge methane explosion which will sink ships, seems everything is ripe for Revelation 8:,9 to be fulfilled.

    How the ultimate BP Gulf disaster could kill millions.
    Disturbing evidence is mounting that something frightening is happening deep under the waters of the Gulf of Mexico—something far worse than the BP oil gusher.
    According to worried geologists, the first signs that the methane may burst its way through the bottom of the ocean would be fissures or cracks appearing on the ocean floor near the damaged well head.

    Evidence of fissures opening up on the seabed have been captured by the robotic submersibles working to repair and contain the ruptured well. Smaller, independent plumes have also appeared outside the nearby radius of the bore hole itself.

    According to some geological experts, BP's operations set into motion a series of events that may be irreversible.

    With the emerging evidence of fissures, the quiet fear now is the methane bubble rupturing the seabed and exploding into the Gulf waters. If the bubble escapes, every ship, drilling rig and structure within the region of the bubble will instantaneously sink. All the workers, engineers, Coast Guard personnel and marine biologists measuring the oil plumes' advance will instantly perish.

    As horrible as that is, what would follow is an event so potentially horrific that it equals in its fury the Indonesian tsunami that killed more than 600,000, or the destruction of Pompeii by Mt. Vesuvius.
    http://www.helium.com/items/1864136-how-the-ultimate-bp-gulf-disaster-could-kill-millions

    Experts Puzzled at Red Gulf Oil Slick
    This occurrence is highly unusual
    http://news.softpedia.com/news/Experts-Puzzled-at-Red-Gulf-Oil-Slick-142907.shtml









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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    What gets my goat is that events of minimal global significance get hyped up by doomsday enthusiasts because they happen in the most self-obsessed nation in the world - the USA.

    So, Hurricane Katrina was pumped as some big prophetic event, even though worse flooding and loss of life occurs in Bangladesh every single year.

    The same with the Gulf of Mexico oil spill. The same volume of oil has ben spilled into the waters of the Nigerian Delta region every day for the last 20 years. But the only time we hear about it is when the long-suffering fishermen get desperate enough to kidnap a few western oil workers. Yet the same thing happens for a few weeks in US waters and suddenly it's the end of the world.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,245 ✭✭✭✭Fanny Cradock


    uprising2 wrote: »
    Does anybody here believe that the 2nd Angel's trumpet is being blown right now in the Deepwater horizon oil gusher, the oil looks red like blood, the sealife is dying, and it's only the beginning, the oil cannot be stopped, the mountain may be rumbling below about to make its arrival known in a huge methane explosion which will sink ships, seems everything is ripe for Revelation 8:,9 to be fulfilled.

    In short, no, I don't think this.

    Out of curiosity, how do you know that the oil can not be stopped?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,245 ✭✭✭✭Fanny Cradock


    PDN wrote: »
    The same volume of oil has ben spilled into the waters of the Nigerian Delta region every day for the last 20 years.

    Really?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,418 ✭✭✭JimiTime


    PDN wrote: »

    :eek::( Talk about perspective.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    PDN wrote: »
    What gets my goat is that events of minimal global significance get hyped up by doomsday enthusiasts because they happen in the most self-obsessed nation in the world - the USA.

    So, Hurricane Katrina was pumped as some big prophetic event, even though worse flooding and loss of life occurs in Bangladesh every single year.

    The same with the Gulf of Mexico oil spill. The same volume of oil has ben spilled into the waters of the Nigerian Delta region every day for the last 20 years. But the only time we hear about it is when the long-suffering fishermen get desperate enough to kidnap a few western oil workers. Yet the same thing happens for a few weeks in US waters and suddenly it's the end of the world.

    No this is totally different, and your quote is wrong, the same amount (as what has gushed from the gulf so far, going on official underestimates), every year not day, mainly due to neglect and sabotage, this is across land, swamp and sea, its a crime and disgrace, it destroys lives and livelihoods, but mainly due to big oil not giving a toss about anything other than profit. All bad, cruel and evil. Man can turn off the tap should he wish and flow/spills would stop.
    http://allafrica.com/stories/201006170009.html
    http://www.offshore-technology.com/projects/agbami/
    http://www.chick.com/reading/books/153/153_10.asp
    But......
    The deepwater horizon is something totally different,much bigger, technology man has cannot contain this pressure, it is a mile under the sea, and its really a monster, a normal well has pressure of 1,000-2,000 psi (pound square inch), some estimates put the deepwater horizon at 70,000-100,000 psi, some people say it's gushing millions of gallons per day, there is a media blackout and a no fly zone over the gulf, if anything I think US corporate controlled media are playing it down.
    This estimate would put the amount at almost 16 million gallons per day
    Just how big is that gusher in the Gulf of Mexico?
    http://pesn.com/2010/05/23/9501654_Gulf_gusher_size/
    In short, no, I don't think this.

    Out of curiosity, how do you know that the oil can not be stopped?
    They have tried all they have, it's becoming more unstable by the second,
    There is talk of using a nuke to stop the flow, it may be the last and only option, this really is that bad,
    Nuke the Gulf oil spill, says expert
    http://bpoilnews.com/gulf-oil-spill-response/nuke-the-gulf-oil-spill-says-expert/

    A nuke to stop the Gulf oil spill
    http://www.ngoilgas.com/news/a-nuke-to-stop-the-gulf-oil-spill/

    Nuking the oil spill: nuclear option being considered?
    http://oil-price.net/en/articles/nukes-to-stop-the-oil-gusher.php


    Really?

    No. Read all about it in quote below, it's per year (not per day) in Nigeria V's total up to 25 days ago(the article is from 30 May 2010), coming from 1 mile below the Gulf sea. 2 very different situations. Nigeria total per year is equal to a little over a month in Gulf.(calculated from very low estimates from the gulf)

    PDN wrote: »
    From the article.
    In fact, more oil is spilled from the delta's network of terminals, pipes, pumping stations and oil platforms every year than has been lost in the Gulf of Mexico, the site of a major ecological catastrophe caused by oil that has poured from a leak triggered by the explosion that wrecked BP's Deepwater Horizon rig last month.


    This is by far worse than anybody here realises,
    Mother of all gushers could kill Earth's oceans
    http://pesn.com/2010/05/02/9501643_Mother_of_all_gushers_could_kill_Earths_oceans/


    Why Is the Gulf Oil Slick Red?
    The oil slick that's spreading atop the Gulf of Mexico looks nothing like the black gunk and tar balls that have washed ashore.
    The reason for the reddish coloring of the oil slick has to do with how the oil mixes with water, but scientists are puzzled as to why the colors coating the Gulf water are so bright.
    http://www.lifeslittlemysteries.com/why-is-the-gulf-oil-slick-red-0802/

    Revelation 8:8
    And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
    Revelation 8:9
    And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

    Should they decide on the nuke option and something go wrong, there will be a mountain of fire in the sea, should the ocean floor rupture, every detail of Revelation 8:8,9 will be fulfilled, it's a very real possibility.
    The Niger Delta is a sad fact, but the Gulf is Terrifying, much faster flow, and is exclusively under water at the starting point of the North Atlantic Drift sea current which sends waters to these shores.
    q15.jpg

    Sea creatures flee spill, gather near shore

    Scientists say phenomena may signal polluted habitat, loss of fish

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37738626/
    Just how bad will it be?
    We know the immediate environmental impact on marine life in the Gulf of Mexico is catastrophic. The economic impact on fishing and tourism maybe unrecoverable. Will the August relief drilling be successful? Or will the gushing leaks continue spewing until the massive reserves are exhausted? How much of the hidden oil will the oncoming hurricane season dump on coastal areas or further inland? And will the lingering toxic fumes make living in the Southern States a humanitarian crisis?

    There are many speculative predictions circulating the internet: Will the vacuum created by the unchecked gusher swallow and heat seawater to create a tsunami that destroys the southern states? Will the massive quantities of methane hydrates cause further geological disruption and earthquakes? Will toxic dispersants evaporate and fall across north America in acid rain showers? Will this lead to the death of the worlds oceans and our ultimate extinction?

    The truth is no one really knows.


    First, the BP platform was drilling for what they call deep oil. They go out where the ocean is about 5,000 feet deep and drill another 30,000 feet into the crust of the earth. This it right on the edge of what human technology can do. Well, this time they hit a pocket of oil at such high pressure that it burst all of their safety valves all the way up to the drilling rig and then caused the rig to explode and sink. Take a moment to grasp the import of that. The pressure behind this oil is so high that it destroyed the maximum effort of human science to contain it.
    http://www.sott.net/articles/show/209573-Mother-of-all-gushers-BP-Oil-Disaster-in-Gulf-of-Mexico-A-Timeline



    I guess the truth is its a guess how bad it will become ultimately, but whats not a guess is that it is currently the worst in history, its location, pressure and depth mean its far, far beyond anything thats gone before, and no indication of when or how it can be stopped.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    While I'm on the subject of Bible prophecy, some breaking news, Isaiah 17:1 maybe about to be fullfilled also, Damascus will be attacked should the following news be correct.

    Isaiah 17:1
    1The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.


    Iran on war alert over "US and Israeli concentrations" in Azerbaijan.
    http://www.debka.com/article/8868/

    In a rare move, Iran has declared a state of war on its northwestern border, debkafile's military and Iranian sources report. Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps men and equipment units are being massed in the Caspian Sea region against what Tehran claims are US and Israeli forces concentrated on army and air bases in Azerbaijan ready to strike Iran's nuclear facilities.
    http://www.virtualjerusalem.com/news.php?Itemid=3191

    Israel preparing for prolonged ME war
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=129501&sectionid=351020202

    Report: IAF aircraft land at Saudi base


    Islam Times says Israeli jets unloaded military equipment in Islamic country ahead of possible Iran strike
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3909732,00.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    In short, no, I don't think this.

    Out of curiosity, how do you know that the oil can not be stopped?

    Maybe it can, maybe it can't, if you think it can why not submit your idea on how to stop it, they are looking for idea's, apply here, seriously......

    Apply to UNIFIED COMMAND.................

    http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/doc/2931/546759/

    or use

    Option 2

    Thousands of people have submitted possible ideas on how to stop or contain the oil in the Gulf of Mexico.
    More than 20,000 ideas on how to stop the flow of oil or contain the oil spill have been sent to BP since the Gulf of Mexico incident. These ideas have flooded in from people across the world, ranging from ordinary members of the public to oil industry professionals, and in many languages from Arabic to Russian.
    BP has implemented a process to review and evaluate all of these suggestions.
    There are two ways to submit a suggestion in this option:
    1. Call the Houston suggestion line at (281) 366-5511
    2. Fill out the online suggestion form at http://www.horizonedocs.com/artform.php


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭StealthRolex


    PDN wrote: »
    What gets my goat is that events of minimal global significance get hyped up by doomsday enthusiasts because they happen in the most self-obsessed nation in the world - the USA.

    So, Hurricane Katrina was pumped as some big prophetic event, even though worse flooding and loss of life occurs in Bangladesh every single year.

    The same with the Gulf of Mexico oil spill. The same volume of oil has ben spilled into the waters of the Nigerian Delta region every day for the last 20 years. But the only time we hear about it is when the long-suffering fishermen get desperate enough to kidnap a few western oil workers. Yet the same thing happens for a few weeks in US waters and suddenly it's the end of the world.

    I wonder just how significant the Nigerian Delta issue will be in 2, 3, 10 years time if the Gulf spill is not stopped
    .
    All of the earths oceans are joined together and if this continues for any significant length of time it will affect every nation on the planet.

    I think that would qualify it as a catastrophe of biblical proportions and quite possibly a prophetic event.

    We have seriously damaged the Earth, Gods creation, and I would imaging He is not best pleased.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭Baggio1


    uprising2 ,,,,,,,
    goood work my man, about time someone over here started waking people up, i get ridiculed all the time in work speaking about these things, but i dont care,,,yes theres no doubt this is much bigger than their admiting in the USA and the federal governmant there are a corrupt bunch of new world order goons who are doing all they can to bring in one world govermant, one world currency and extra taxes such as the so called carbon tax?!,,,they keep blocking people who have expertease from going in to help, even the locals are being prevented from trying to help stop the damage ,,,,,something stinks and i dont just mean the oil!

    iran will be attacked soon and the world is deffo going to spiral into big trouble,,,but the clowns over here in our country just dont see it coming its unreal, the mainstream media are reporting on ronan keating's marriage probs or the dam golf and ww3 is about to kick off and not a word about it, not a word about the 12 battleships 1 of which is isreali and 1 is an aircraft carrier passing through the suez canal last saturday heading for the persian gulf, the israeli air force landing fighter jets in saudi arabia last weekend and 3 nuke powered israeli subs taking positions off the iranian coast! - yeahh for me and many who HAVE woken up,,,we're heading fast to ww3 and catastrophy,,,

    i agreee with you the whole situation is sooo much like what revelations predicted..

    cheeers amigo


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭me_right_one


    Does anyone else think that the arrival of the beast mentioned in revelations has a connection with the third secret of Fatima, ie. that satan will infiltrate the Vatican? I mean the assasination of a pope by a bishop, JP2 almost being assasinated, an ex-nazi now at the helm, all the revelations about sexual abuse etc? And another parallel I can see is the great harlot riding around on the beasts back. The internet porn revolution? Porn is everywhere like never before, its an epidemic! And didnt Mary appear in New York sometime in the 80's and say that the pages of the bible were going by so fast it was like a book blowing in the wind? That end times are already here, we're in the last 1000 years of humankind where satan reigns? Also, in Hebrew, each letter has an equivalent number. www=666. I sh1t you not boardsies. Scary stuff.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭Festus


    Pope JP II said "be not afraid..."

    now might be a good time for Catholics to start going to confession and mass again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭Baggio1


    agreed festus


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,663 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Does anyone else think that the arrival of the beast mentioned in revelations has a connection with the third secret of Fatima, ie. that satan will infiltrate the Vatican? I mean the assasination of a pope by a bishop, JP2 almost being assasinated, an ex-nazi now at the helm, all the revelations about sexual abuse etc? And another parallel I can see is the great harlot riding around on the beasts back. The internet porn revolution? Porn is everywhere like never before, its an epidemic! And didnt Mary appear in New York sometime in the 80's and say that the pages of the bible were going by so fast it was like a book blowing in the wind? That end times are already here, we're in the last 1000 years of humankind where satan reigns? Also, in Hebrew, each letter has an equivalent number. www=666. I sh1t you not boardsies. Scary stuff.

    At risk of going off topic. Where in the 3rd secret of fatima does it read the Satan will infiltrate the church.

    FWIW, i dont personally believe the third secret the vatican revealed is correct though as its worded differently and its theme is very different to the previous 2.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭Festus


    Does anyone else think that the arrival of the beast mentioned in revelations has a connection with the third secret of Fatima, ie. that satan will infiltrate the Vatican? I mean the assasination of a pope by a bishop, JP2 almost being assasinated, an ex-nazi now at the helm, all the revelations about sexual abuse etc? And another parallel I can see is the great harlot riding around on the beasts back. The internet porn revolution? Porn is everywhere like never before, its an epidemic! And didnt Mary appear in New York sometime in the 80's and say that the pages of the bible were going by so fast it was like a book blowing in the wind? That end times are already here, we're in the last 1000 years of humankind where satan reigns? Also, in Hebrew, each letter has an equivalent number. www=666. I sh1t you not boardsies. Scary stuff.

    let's be factal - no ex-nazis at the helm - without the current Pope we would be in serious trouble


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭The Mad Hatter


    uprising2 wrote: »
    Does anybody here believe that the 2nd Angel's trumpet is being blown right now...<snip>

    WXNmF.jpg


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭me_right_one


    faceman wrote: »
    At risk of going off topic. Where in the 3rd secret of fatima does it read the Satan will infiltrate the church.

    FWIW, i dont personally believe the third secret the vatican revealed is correct though as its worded differently and its theme is very different to the previous 2.


    Here......
    http://www.tldm.org/News10/MalachiMartinBelievedInBayside.htm


    Festus wrote: »
    let's be factal - no ex-nazis at the helm - without the current Pope we would be in serious trouble

    Agreed. He may have been a reluctant nazi, but unfortunately it is a fact:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_of_Pope_Benedict_XVI#Military_service_.281943.E2.80.931945.29



    I know my ideas might sound ridiculous, but I cant help but see a pattern.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭Festus


    Agreed. He may have been a reluctant nazi, but unfortunately it is a fact:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_of_Pope_Benedict_XVI#Military_service_.281943.E2.80.931945.29

    The Army was a military organisation.
    The National Socialists were a political part who took control of the army.

    Ratzinger was drafted into the army and had nothing to do with the Nazi party.

    The Bayside prophesies appear to be false.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 199 ✭✭Nick Dolan


    So revelation says a mountain burning of fire cast into the sea. The gulf oil slick is not on fire. Even by the elastic standards of biblical prophesy this is way off the mark


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    Nick Dolan wrote: »
    So revelation says a mountain burning of fire cast into the sea. The gulf oil slick is not on fire. Even by the elastic standards of biblical prophesy this is way off the mark

    Nick I'd advise you to go back over the thread and look at the possibilities and solutions, or lack of solutions, look at what has geologists worried, look at the nuke option some "experts" are advising.

    It's not on fire,yet, but think about the chemical makeup and components of crude oil, as far as I remember it was on fire, it was put out, but I'm almost certain crude oil is flammable, so in short millions of gallons per day of highly flammable substance is being released into the gulf and you say "The Gulf slick is not on fire" should a nuke be used or the methane under there decide to go booom, or a combination of both I think we can expect to see an underwater mountain of fire, also magma has been seen making its way to freedom along with the oil, you know magma, the underground form of lava or fire and brimstone.

    I don't think Bible prophecy has elastic standards, again I'd advise you to read the thread and links, wake up to what this "may" become.
    Maybe I'm just being optimistic that the end is nigh, but so many things are moving into place at the same time.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    Baggio1 wrote: »
    uprising2 ,,,,,,,
    goood work my man, about time someone over here started waking people up, i get ridiculed all the time in work speaking about these things, but i dont care,,,yes theres no doubt this is much bigger than their admiting in the USA and the federal governmant there are a corrupt bunch of new world order goons who are doing all they can to bring in one world govermant, one world currency and extra taxes such as the so called carbon tax?!,,,they keep blocking people who have expertease from going in to help, even the locals are being prevented from trying to help stop the damage ,,,,,something stinks and i dont just mean the oil!

    iran will be attacked soon and the world is deffo going to spiral into big trouble,,,but the clowns over here in our country just dont see it coming its unreal, the mainstream media are reporting on ronan keating's marriage probs or the dam golf and ww3 is about to kick off and not a word about it, not a word about the 12 battleships 1 of which is isreali and 1 is an aircraft carrier passing through the suez canal last saturday heading for the persian gulf, the israeli air force landing fighter jets in saudi arabia last weekend and 3 nuke powered israeli subs taking positions off the iranian coast! - yeahh for me and many who HAVE woken up,,,we're heading fast to ww3 and catastrophy,,,

    i agreee with you the whole situation is sooo much like what revelations predicted..

    cheeers amigo

    Thanks Baggio, these "christians" sure take their faith seriously here, the mods are all against this thread, notice all the thanks on post number 2, its funny considering its wrong and misleading in so many ways.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 199 ✭✭Nick Dolan


    The oil slick is neither a mountain nor on fire. Also the oil hasnt been cast into the sea, its rising from the sea bed. So how far can you stretch the prediction until it can be anything. also magma is molten rock, not fire.

    Did you say optimistic the end is nigh? Are you hoping the world is ending?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    Nick Dolan wrote: »
    The oil slick is neither a mountain nor on fire. Also the oil hasnt been cast into the sea, its rising from the sea bed. So how far can you stretch the prediction until it can be anything. also magma is molten rock, not fire.

    Did you say optimistic the end is nigh? Are you hoping the world is ending?

    Your right the oil slick isn't on fire nor a mountain and the oil is spewing up from beneath, but which meaning of cast are you applying?, things are cast from molten materials everyday, then they cool and harden, should I break my leg, a plaster of paris cast would be put on it and allowed to dry and harden, so it's more you being restricted to a single meaning of a word than me stretching anything.

    Yea sorry again Magma is molten rock, usually 700 °C to 1300 °C(or 1300 °F to 2400 °F), again not a stretch that such high temperatures may pass the flash point of crude oil. Crude oil has a flash point of 20 - 70°F.

    And its not any stretch of mine that a molten mountain may be cast in the sea, not thrown into the sea, simply cast in it, then again it could explode and be cast (thrown) from below, same way you would throw something into your attic, so if you want to understand anything, again I urge you to expand and not restrict your understanding of what is happening, what could happen in the gulf above and below the seabed, because so far you haven't proved anything wrong that I posted.

    Yes I'm hoping a new world will begin asap, sooner the better.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,663 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman



    Ive read one of Malachi Martin's books; "Hostage of the Devil". Even people who were close to him thought he was prone to stretching the truth.

    There would seem to be some creedence to what he is saying about church infiltration but to be honest, you cant take it seriously when you see this printed on the same page:

    "Crucifix on front and back door... The only real protection against terrorists..."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 199 ✭✭Nick Dolan


    This is why english is great for prophesy.Cast can mean thrown, moulded, selected, voted. All the other translations refer to a mountain being thrown down from above. Also Magma or anything else for that matter cant ignite the oil underwater, it would have to rise to the surface thus losing all its heat. And the clincher in my opinion, the mountain is already on fire according to the prediction before it entered the water. So using any logic, the spill aint revelation 8:8


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,418 ✭✭✭JimiTime


    uprising2 wrote: »
    Thanks Baggio, these "christians" sure take their faith seriously here, the mods are all against this thread, notice all the thanks on post number 2, its funny considering its wrong and misleading in so many ways.

    Why have you put inverted comma's around the word Christians? You question a persons Christianity and make sarcastic comment about taking their faith seriously when they don't go in for reading this oil slick being of biblical significance? We are told to 'Stay Awake' as the end will come like a 'Thief in the night'. So even if this oil scenario is of biblical significance, its of no consaquence to a persons Christianity. Or at least it shouldn't be.

    I love looking at biblical prophecy and seeing if it resembles things happening around the world. It makes for interesting conversation too. However, I'm always dubious when folk speak fairly definitively on things relating to such prophecy.

    I'm personally not convinced about this particular reading you are suggesting. Nothing personal, I just don't see it myself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 240 ✭✭patrickk


    I'm not posting this to frighten anyone .The time for fear is over this oil disaster will eventually be the cause of a bigger disaster whether it explodes ,causes shifts in magma flow in the earth .We need to pray people from bottom of our hearts and feel God's Love and Mercy again if we dont feel it now .
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PtSNmfnXsM&NR=1


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    Nick Dolan wrote: »
    This is why english is great for prophesy.Cast can mean thrown, moulded, selected, voted. All the other translations refer to a mountain being thrown down from above. Also Magma or anything else for that matter cant ignite the oil underwater, it would have to rise to the surface thus losing all its heat. And the clincher in my opinion, the mountain is already on fire according to the prediction before it entered the water. So using any logic, the spill aint revelation 8:8

    What is the original Hebrew of this prophecy?, I've looked into translation and found the same word in the original Hebrew translated into different words in english, so it would seem it all depends on how the translator wishes to translate.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    JimiTime wrote: »
    Why have you put inverted comma's around the word Christians? You question a persons Christianity and make sarcastic comment about taking their faith seriously when they don't go in for reading this oil slick being of biblical significance? We are told to 'Stay Awake' as the end will come like a 'Thief in the night'. So even if this oil scenario is of biblical significance, its of no consaquence to a persons Christianity. Or at least it shouldn't be.

    I love looking at biblical prophecy and seeing if it resembles things happening around the world. It makes for interesting conversation too. However, I'm always dubious when folk speak fairly definitively on things relating to such prophecy.

    I'm personally not convinced about this particular reading you are suggesting. Nothing personal, I just don't see it myself.

    I was referring to the dismissal of this out of hand by Christians, God will come as a theif in the night, but there will be signs and wonders (mainly bad things) that will preceed this great event.
    I meant no disrespect to anybody.

    Patrickk here's your video,


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    uprising2 wrote: »
    What is the original Hebrew of this prophecy?, I've looked into translation and found the same word in the original Hebrew translated into different words in english, so it would seem it all depends on how the translator wishes to translate.

    The New Testament was written in Greek, not Hebrew.

    The word translated 'cast' is ἐβλήθη (eblethe). It is the third person singular aorist passive of ballo - the usual Greek word meaning 'to throw'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭bleg


    PDN wrote: »
    What gets my goat is that events of minimal global significance get hyped up by doomsday enthusiasts because they happen in the most self-obsessed nation in the world - the USA.

    So, Hurricane Katrina was pumped as some big prophetic event, even though worse flooding and loss of life occurs in Bangladesh every single year.

    The same with the Gulf of Mexico oil spill. The same volume of oil has ben spilled into the waters of the Nigerian Delta region every day for the last 20 years. But the only time we hear about it is when the long-suffering fishermen get desperate enough to kidnap a few western oil workers. Yet the same thing happens for a few weeks in US waters and suddenly it's the end of the world.

    Ya but I don't give a **** about Nigeria and never want to go there. I might like to go to the Gulf some day...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,245 ✭✭✭✭Fanny Cradock


    bleg wrote: »
    Ya but I don't give a **** about Nigeria and never want to go there. I might like to go to the Gulf some day...

    It seems like you miss the significance of the article that PDN posted.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭Festus


    and PDN completely missed the significance of the deepwater horizon disaster.

    In Nigeria the spills occur on land from old pipes and pilfering locals. These leaks can be repaired. That they are not is neither here nor there.

    This spill in the Gulf will not stop anytime soon - it is deep underwater and is potentially an irreperable geological split and could leak from now until God knows when

    If it does not stop it can poison the worlds waters causing famine, it can cause one third of the water to turn red as it is quite clearly not black oil that is coming out but some brighter colour.

    If a third of the waters turn red and the fish are poisoned it does present a match with Revelation.

    If it doesn't match Revelation it still has the potential to damage Irish coastlines and fishing grounds if the oil gets to the Gulf Stream.

    This event is far from being of minimal global significance

    BP are out for maybe $15,000,000,000 in clean up funds - so far
    Anglo Irish Bank has taken e22,000,000,000 off us - so far

    Hows that for significance in monetary terms.

    But, if this leak is never stopped or if there is a 20 mile bubble of methane it will have Global consequences for a long long time.

    Nigeria, that's just laziness and some minor greed.

    A pernament oil leak at 70,000psi or better... no comparison.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭storm2811


    Tbh,biblical prophecies can really be moulded in some way or an other to match what you want.

    I don't really know much of them myself,but could anyone tell me any of them that have been accurate,very accurate like?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭Festus


    old testament prophesies about Jesus - all fulfilled

    The Jews and Israel

    Luke 19:43-44, "The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you in on every side. They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you."

    Deuteronomy 28:64 "Then the Lord will scatter you among the nations from one end of the earth to the other."

    Luke 21:24, "They will fall by the sword and will be taken prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles, until the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled.".


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭storm2811


    Festus wrote: »
    old testament prophesies about Jesus - all fulfilled

    The Jews and Israel

    Luke 19:43-44, "The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you in on every side. They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you."

    Deuteronomy 28:64 "Then the Lord will scatter you among the nations from one end of the earth to the other."

    Luke 21:24, "They will fall by the sword and will be taken prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles, until the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled.".


    Thanks,still sceptical though but I do like the idea of prophecy in a way I suppose.

    They are all still very vague though I think.
    As for the one being discussed now,it could probably be used to describe many different situations,ones that are small in comparison to the oil spill.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭Festus


    If only a few Jews recognised the prophesies being fulfilled in Jesus when He walked the Earth so it is reasonable to assume then that only a few will recognise when the prophecy of Revelation is being fulfilled.

    Only God knows when so if you are relying on prophecy you might be too late.

    If you have concerns do what you need to do now


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭storm2811


    Festus wrote: »
    If only a few Jews recognised the prophesies being fulfilled in Jesus when He walked the Earth so it is reasonable to assume then that only a few will recognise when the prophecy of Revelation is being fulfilled.

    Only God knows when so if you are relying on prophecy you might be too late.

    If you have concerns do what you need to do now

    I'm sorry,what I meant was that I like the idea of prophecy and that I find them an interesting read.
    Also that they can be moulded and changed to suit nearly anything.

    Personally,I do not believe this will come true, and that although the past ones had relevance to what you described,they may also have been used to describe something else,something not so big.

    Sorry if I gave the wrong impression,I look at the bible as more of a story book and am unsure about prophecy etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    PDN wrote: »
    The New Testament was written in Greek, not Hebrew.

    The word translated 'cast' is ἐβλήθη (eblethe). It is the third person singular aorist passive of ballo - the usual Greek word meaning 'to throw'.

    Sorry this may go against the grain here, but the "New Testament" was written a long time after Jesus's life, and 2nd hand accounts of what went before it was written and I believe it was plagiarised from other earlier Hebrew Books which have vanished/destroyed.

    King James destroyed how it was and should have remained, and to be honest the "True Religion Of God" (my opinion) doesn't exist anymore, there are truth's and lies mixed together in the Bible thanks to James, but I believe the truth is there for all to see.

    And I didn't say in my OP that this is it, just it could be, and it can, this is just the beginning of what will unfold in the Gulf, nothing Biblical has occured there yet, but what has begun and how it will unfold should not be fobbed off as "nothing", it's a disaster, growing by the minute, it's the next phase of whats happening there that I was referring to in the OP.

    I truly believe mankind has been led astray and decieved from all sides of all religions, I have issues with the New Testament and how many believe God changed his mind sometime in the first centuary AD.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    storm2811 wrote: »
    As for the one being discussed now,it could probably be used to describe many different situations,ones that are small in comparison to the oil spill.

    I don't think the prophecy being discussed now could be used to describe anything small, think about what it actually says, it's BIG!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭storm2811


    uprising2 wrote: »
    I don't think the prophecy being discussed now could be used to describe anything small, think about what it actually says, it's BIG!


    Well who knows,people have been claiming to be prophets and talking about doomsday for years.

    There is nothing in the bible that makes those prophecies more legit,only the faith of those who believe it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭Festus


    storm2811 wrote: »

    Sorry if I gave the wrong impression,I look at the bible as more of a story book and am unsure about prophecy etc.

    Are you looking then to prophecy in the bible and hoping to see it fulfilled in order to support your faith?

    If you think the bible is in error or just a story book then what reference do you have?

    If you seek the Truth you will find it but you must seek it with your heart and soul. Not your head.

    You may then find that the bible is true but what is wrong is how it is interpreted incorrectly by many tens of thousands of Christian denominations.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭storm2811


    Festus wrote: »
    Are you looking then to prophecy in the bible and hoping to see it fulfilled in order to support your faith?

    If you think the bible is in error or just a story book then what reference do you have?

    If you seek the Truth you will find it but you must seek it with your heart and soul. Not your head.

    You may then find that the bible is true but what is wrong is how it is interpreted incorrectly by many tens of thousands of Christian denominations.

    I'm an atheist but I find the concept of prophecy interesting.

    I wouldn't say the bible is "true",I do believe that it does teach some morals though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    uprising2 wrote: »
    Sorry this may go against the grain here, but the "New Testament" was written a long time after Jesus's life, and 2nd hand accounts of what went before it was written and I believe it was plagiarised from other earlier Hebrew Books which have vanished/destroyed.

    So, when you asked what was the original Hebrew version of this prophecy, you were actually asking what was the Hebrew word used in a long vanished/destroyed manuscript of which no evidence exists outside of your imagination. :confused: And how did you think anyone was going to answer your question?
    King James destroyed how it was and should have remained, and to be honest the "True Religion Of God" (my opinion) doesn't exist anymore, there are truth's and lies mixed together in the Bible thanks to James, but I believe the truth is there for all to see.
    You are aware that most of our modern translations are based on Hebrew and Greek manuscripts that predate King James by well over 1000 years?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    PDN wrote: »
    So, when you asked what was the original Hebrew version of this prophecy, you were actually asking what was the Hebrew word used in a long vanished/destroyed manuscript of which no evidence exists outside of your imagination. :confused: And how did you think anyone was going to answer your question?

    "The unfolding of Your words gives light." Psalm 119:135

    No evidence exists outside my imagination?, are you sure about that?, maybe you need to brush up on your knowledge before making such statements.
    Scholars know about the past existence of some missing gospels
    because they are mentioned in other ancient writings that have survived.
    Parts of some lost books were even copied into surviving writings, so that a
    portion of their original content is still preserved.

    In fact, people are often surprised to learn that parts of several lost
    gospels may have been preserved in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. This
    preserved material has been identified by certain characteristics which
    indicate that it was copied from other writings. Thus the authors of the New
    Testament gospels apparently got some of their information from earlier
    writings.
    Modern scholars call these earlier writings "sources", and have
    determined that there were probably three of them. But apparently all of them have disappeared.
    http://www.archive.org/stream/LostBooksOfTheBible/LostBooksOfTheBible_djvu.txt

    The Septuagint (pronounced /ˈsɛptʊ.ədʒɪnt/), or simply "LXX", referred to in critical works by the abbreviation 605cff2d58ee1208ca97d2ac0aa6059f.png,[1] is the Koine Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, translated in stages between the 3rd and 2nd Centuries BC in Alexandria.[2] It was begun by the third century BC and completed before 132 BC.[3]
    It is the oldest of several ancient translations of the Hebrew Bible into Greek, lingua franca of the eastern Mediterranean Basin from the time of Alexander the Great (356-323 BC).
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint
    While many in modern times still feel that the evidence supports the traditional view of authorship, others question the traditional position, some suggesting that John the Apostle, John the Evangelist and John of Patmos were three separate individuals. More recent methods of scholarship, such as textual criticism, have been influential in this conclusion. Differences in style between the Gospel of John, the epistles of John, and the Revelation are seen by some scholars as indicating three separate authors. For example, the author of Revelation identifies himself as "John" several times, but the author of the Gospel of John never identifies himself directly (though there is an indirect identification [Jn 21:20-24]). While both works liken Jesus to a lamb, they consistently use different words for lamb when referring to him—the Gospel uses amnos, Revelation uses arnion.[15] Pointing out differences in style, theological content, and familiarity with Greek, Bart D. Ehrman wrote that "it can be stated without reservation that whoever wrote the Gospel did not write this book"
    It has also been contended that the core verses of the book (Revelations), in general chapters 4 through 22, are surviving records of the prophecies of John the Baptist.[22] In this view, the Lamb of God references and other hallmarks of Revelation are linked to what is known of John the Baptist, though it must be confessed that very little is known of him..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_of_John

    Revelation: A Hebrew Book
    The religion, traditions and concepts of the New Testament are thoroughly Hebrew.
    The third evidence of a Hebrew text is that sometimes taking the Greek literally results in a clumsy English translation or a sentence may even fail to make sense. However, the verse makes perfect sense when translated back into Hebrew. For example, in 10:1 an angel is described with feet like pillars. However, feet cannot be “like pillars,” only legs can. The problem is resolved by recognizing that while Greek has separate words for “feet” and “legs” Hebrew has only one word that can mean both. Apparently, a Greek translator unacquainted with Hebrew nuances translated the Hebrew word as “feet” when the intention was “legs.”
    Read all about it here:
    http://www.blainerobison.com/endtimes/rev-hebrew.htm
    PDN wrote: »
    You are aware that most of our modern translations are based on Hebrew and Greek manuscripts that predate King James by well over 1000 years?

    Please link to these manuscripts for further research.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    Shouldn't you all be researching for links that will prove 21/12/2012 is going to be a direct consequence of the BP oil spill as predicted in Ezekiel 23:20 instead of talking about red waters linking to revelation when oil is actually black...?

    I don't even think the bible code could predict some of the things we've read here in this thread, yet: here it is...

    I can't resist, how does all this eschatological prophesizing explain the end of existence for all of the planets in the universe?
    Is this theorizing, again, just confined to the flat earth that these prophets, in all of their glory, assumed was what the universe consisted of at the time?
    Does your literature take into account black hole's as part of the setting for all of these vuvuzela-led deathwishes we're reading here or did that little one slip by?

    I have to wonder, do the earth's plate's, after being expelled by the magma that pushed them out into space because this red oil went on fire, suddenly start hitting
    other planets, space invaders style
    , and knocking them out one by one or is there a biblical quote you can use to tell us how the BP spill will cause Canis V Majoris to end along with all of existence?

    I don't know, maybe if I start going to church again, as one poster was quick to remind, it will somehow send magnetic attractions to the red oil to flow away from the magma, or mabe the vuvuzela ban will end it, who knows - I'm sure we'll find out soon ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭StealthRolex


    Shouldn't you all be researching for links that will prove 21/12/2012 is going to be a direct consequence of the BP oil spill as predicted in Ezekiel 23:20 instead of talking about red waters linking to revelation when oil is actually black...?

    Ezekiel 23:20 (New International Version)

    20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

    maybe you meant a different version?
    or maybe not?
    Florida is a big pornography production center so it is probably due it's Sodom and Gomorrah moment.

    p.s. check the video footoage - the oil really is red in this case


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭Festus


    I thought Florida was a retirement center :confused: They must be some nasty movies :eek:

    If this is the case then between New Orleans and whatever you think is going on in Florida maybe the time is ripe


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭uprising2


    Shouldn't you all be researching for links that will prove 21/12/2012 is going to be a direct consequence of the BP oil spill as predicted in Ezekiel 23:20 instead of talking about red waters linking to revelation when oil is actually black...?

    I don't even think the bible code could predict some of the things we've read here in this thread, yet: here it is...

    I can't resist, how does all this eschatological prophesizing explain the end of existence for all of the planets in the universe?
    Is this theorizing, again, just confined to the flat earth that these prophets, in all of their glory, assumed was what the universe consisted of at the time?
    Does your literature take into account black hole's as part of the setting for all of these vuvuzela-led deathwishes we're reading here or did that little one slip by?

    I have to wonder, do the earth's plate's, after being expelled by the magma that pushed them out into space because this red oil went on fire, suddenly start hitting
    other planets, space invaders style
    , and knocking them out one by one or is there a biblical quote you can use to tell us how the BP spill will cause Canis V Majoris to end along with all of existence?

    I don't know, maybe if I start going to church again, as one poster was quick to remind, it will somehow send magnetic attractions to the red oil to flow away from the magma, or mabe the vuvuzela ban will end it, who knows - I'm sure we'll find out soon ;)

    I'd suggest sticking to the sponsored walks or else know what your talking about before posting nonsense, maybe go back over the thread and click links etc before telling us oil is black, well it is normally, but there are 2 links I posted here about the "RED OIL" and how it has the "experts" puzzled or as suggested above watch the video.
    Oh and the END is not the end, it's the beginning.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    as predicted in Ezekiel 23:20 instead of
    Ezekiel 23:20 (New International Version)

    20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

    maybe you meant a different version?

    :D


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