Free: Origin of the spieces iPod book

mehfesto

Not sure if this warrants it's own thread, but for those of you with an iPhone/iPod touch , you can currently download the Origin of the Species for free. Full text, unabridged it would appear! Just download the iBooks app and search the top 10!

Just starting it myself now!

Dades

Find me an audiobook, and I might "read" it.

(Downloading now... number 13 in the list)

Dubhghaillix

It's up to twelve now *Downloading*

matrim

Or for anyone else just go here and download the PDF, ePUB or mobi file

wonderfulname

Isn't it amazing how Origin of the Species is quickly gaining Bible status amongst atheists?

Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection is no longer the take on evolution. Modern Synthesis is.

It is important to recognize with regards to evolution that whilst evolution is a fact, Natural Selection and Modern Synthesis are only theories. Considering most believers in Intelligent Design are schooled in the flaws of Darwin's theory, but not at all knowledgeable on modern viewpoints, it's nice to give yourself a bit of grounding in the latter, if only to sit content in the knowledge that your right, because everyone loves being right and knowing it.

Rev Hellfire

wonderfulname wrote: »

Isn't it amazing how Origin of the Species is quickly gaining Bible status amongst atheists?

I think most atheists don't view the 'origin of the species' as authoritative but rather an interesting piece of historical literature which provided the kernel from which modern understanding of evolution arose. That represents the major difference between religion, the ability to evolve (boom boom) your thinking and not be tethered to a particular view, but to acknowledge your misunderstanding and advance with new idea's and thoughts.

Dades

wonderfulname wrote: »

Isn't it amazing how Origin of the Species is quickly gaining Bible status amongst atheists?

Bible status amongst atheists? I see what you've done there!

Daftendirekt

wonderfulname wrote: »

Isn't it amazing how Origin of the Species is quickly gaining Bible status amongst atheists?

What on earth makes you say that?

Genghiz Cohen

Daftendirekt wrote: »

What on earth makes you say that?

Butthurt that we can actually prove the author of our bible exists.

sponsoredwalk

Legal Audiobook Version

MrPudding

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

Legal Audiobook Version

Only interested if it is read in the style of Captain Birdeye, which for some reason I feel is how it should be read.

MrP

magicbastarder

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

Legal Audiobook Version

why is the legal part emboldened?

5uspect

wonderfulname wrote: »

Isn't it amazing how Origin of the Species is quickly gaining Bible status amongst atheists?

I don't think Darwin dies at the end.

magicbastarder

he's immortal?

5uspect

Memetically.

Zombrex

wonderfulname wrote: »

Isn't it amazing how Origin of the Species is quickly gaining Bible status amongst atheists?

Couldn't you say that about Shakespeare? Or the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire? Or Newton's Principia? Or any book that people recommend you read?

wonderfulname wrote: »

Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection is no longer the take on evolution. Modern Synthesis is.

Doesn't that simply contradict your first statement?

Since we don't hold it as infallible gospel how is it Bible like?

sponsoredwalk

magicbastarder wrote: »

why is the legal part emboldened?

Well there's one online read by Richard Dawkins, in his own special captainey way, floating around but I wouldn't want to condone
that version of Origin unless you went to the shops and bought it

I'm all for paying for my bible origin, not getting a free one off those gideons biologists even though it is in the public domain anyway... :P

Oh, I recommend the Kirk Cameron version actually, the intro is mighty

wonderfulname

Wicknight wrote: »

Doesn't that simply contradict your first statement?

No your confusing my view on things with my view of many other peoples view on things.

Maybe its just my age, I see a lot of ignorant teenage atheists, they refuse to understand what they insist they don't believe in and then turn around and refuse to understand beyond the very basics of modern science, and without having further understanding you could say that they don't understand why science is of such importance, so much as just believe in it, and in that sense texts like Origin have become almost like a bible to them. (Note not Shakespeare Wicknight, they have issues with Shakespeare, the language is just sooo hard.)

It was simply a musing, it wasn't actually directed at anyone here, although I can see how that needed clarification.

Zillah

It's only a theory guys. Jeez.

Dades

Zillah wrote: »

It's only a theory guys. Jeez.

Get in the sack!

Daftendirekt

Wicknight wrote: »

Since we don't hold it as infallible gospel how is it Bible like?

Since most atheists probably haven't actually read it. Zing!

No your confusing my view on things with my view of many other peoples view on things.

Maybe its just my age, I see a lot of ignorant teenage atheists, they refuse to understand what they insist they don't believe in and then turn around and refuse to understand beyond the very basics of modern science

Do you have a full understanding of unicorns, ancient Greek and Roman mythology, ghosts, goblins, ghouls and Orcs?

No profound understanding of the subject matter needs to be attained before you can disbelieve in what are essentially fairy tales for adults. These 'ignorant teenage atheists' have probably simply realised that nobody has ever offered a plausible answer to the question 'Why should I believe in a god?' and nothing more than that is required.

I find it quite hard to imagine many teenagers out there taking an interest in a book such as the On The Origin of Species, let alone making it their Bible. It's a Penguin classic FFS!

Zombrex

wonderfulname wrote: »

It was simply a musing, it wasn't actually directed at anyone here, although I can see how that needed clarification.

Fair enough. I personally have yet to meet an atheist, teenager or otherwise, who actually knows what On the Origin.. is yet doesn't know that biological evolution has move far beyond it, so I personally don't see the phenomena you speak of. In my experience most people are introduced to modern evolution through the internet and then out of historical curiosity end up reading Darwins work. But who knows, I'm sure such people that you describe can exist. Perhaps you should stop hanging around with them though if you keep meeting them

stevejazzx

wonderfulname wrote: »

No your confusing my view on things with my view of many other peoples view on things.

Maybe its just my age, I see a lot of ignorant teenage atheists, they refuse to understand what they insist they don't believe in and then turn around and refuse to understand beyond the very basics of modern science, and without having further understanding you could say that they don't understand why science is of such importance, so much as just believe in it, and in that sense texts like Origin have become almost like a bible to them. (Note not Shakespeare Wicknight, they have issues with Shakespeare, the language is just sooo hard.)

It was simply a musing, it wasn't actually directed at anyone here, although I can see how that needed clarification.

It's a good delusion one that leads disgruntled teenagers to treat Origin as a 'bible'.

wonderfulname

Daftendirekt wrote: »

Do you have a full understanding of unicorns, ancient Greek and Roman mythology, ghosts, goblins, ghouls and Orcs?

No profound understanding of the subject matter needs to be attained before you can disbelieve in what are essentially fairy tales for adults. These 'ignorant teenage atheists' have probably simply realised that nobody has ever offered a plausible answer to the question 'Why should I believe in a god?' and nothing more than that is required.

Oh no its perfectly fine to come to the conclusion its bull without reading it, purely through the selection of bible stories most people hear growing up, what annoys me is when this isn't admitted and instead you get some speal misinterpreted from some website about the wonders of evolution and how it so shows those bible bashers whats what.
In these cases the "bible bashers" tend to be more learned than the atheist who is putting blind faith into science.

"These 'ignorant teenage atheists' have probably" - theres an assumption, no their not, they think they're it, atheism is an assumed aspect of various subcultures so they're just fitting in.

Oh and wicknight I don't hang round with them, just find myself arguing with them a lot.. hehe..