FF and FG dissidents planning new party

ei.sdraob

in paper today

The failed attempt to remove Enda Kenny as leader of Fine Gael has served to intensify speculation that a move will be made to establish a new political party within months, the Sunday Independent can reveal.

TDs in Fianna Fail and Fine Gael are known to be deeply unhappy with the leadership and direction of their parties and are said by reliable sources in both parties this weekend to be "considering their options".

While we need more political parties, this move could split FG in half handing the election to Labour :eek:


this bit is very interesting

A consensus seems to be that a "new independent leader" may emerge, somebody from outside of politics, who has achieved success in business, and with a "social motivation".

Is Ryanair about to lose a boss?

Cavehill Red

Health warning: link leads to Sunday Indo.

Agent Smith

tenner bets it doesnt happen by the next election?


Anyone?

serriously, we'll change money by paypall

Inquitus

A consensus seems to be that a "new independent leader" may emerge, somebody from outside of politics, who has achieved success in business, and with a "social motivation".

Clearly it's Sean Quinn.........

rugbyman

have been reading newspapers ,on current affairs for over 30 years. Of lete I feel there are too many papers and therefore too many scribes, so stories have to be made up or made out of a rumour or speck of truth.

Last sunday I read in the Indo that (I think by Jodi Corcoran), quoting unknown sources, (a FG TD) that EK would be gone within the week. I had imagined writing to Mr Corcoran(perhaps he might read this) to ask him to go back to that source and get some more hot leaks.

In the back of my mind ,I think there may be some ethical thingy to prevent reporters from making up stories and quoting imaginary sources. Perhaps giving the editor the source?

When the practice of quoting unnamed sources exists a reporter can write anything his imagination comes up with.

On this issue, I imagine many voters would vote for a new PDs or some such but there are not two existing TDS willing to start it.


Rugbyman

rugbyman

Agent Smith wrote: »

tenner bets it doesnt happen by the next election?


Anyone?

serriously, we'll change money by paypall[/QUOTE



I had thanked this post then for a second I thought it might sound like I was taking the bet. you wont lose that.
Rugbyman

bryanw

rugbyman wrote:

have been reading newspapers ,on current affairs for over 30 years. Of lete I feel there are too many papers and therefore too many scribes, so stories have to be made up or made out of a rumour or speck of truth.

When the practice of quoting unnamed sources exists a reporter can write anything his imagination comes up with.

On that note, it does just seem to me like sloppy journalism. There was an Indo story during the week about a thread on Politics.ie, so I think they're getting a bit lazy!

While I wouldn't be against a new party... I feel that doing it at this moment in time would be shooting all those in FG, FF and those that would start the new party in the foot. It's a sure way to get Gilmore in as Taoiseach. Maybe they'd putting principles first, but even I would sacrifice my principles in the short term to avoid that outcome.

BluntGuy

A complete non-story.

Another excellent example of how abysmal our media is.

But even the prospect offered by that substanceless drivel doesn't sound appealing. A new party? -yes. A new party (most likely) made up of a shower of FF and FG gombeens? - nope.

Run_to_da_hills

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Health warning: link leads to Sunday Indo.

Edited: Health warning BS warning: link leads to Sunday Indo

Max Power1

ei.sdraob wrote: »

in paper today



While we need more political parties, this move could split FG in half handing the election to Labour :eek:


this bit is very interesting

Is Ryanair about to lose a boss?

Declan Ganley returns, anyone?

ei.sdraob

Max Power1 wrote: »

Declan Ganley returns, anyone?

Oh dear god :eek:

johngalway

Eamon Dunphy has it on now.

Load of BS IMO.

galwayrush

An Irish version of the Monster Raving Looney party perhaps.:rolleyes:

Cookie_Monster

George Hook's people party?, stemming on from his little trips round to all the little backwards villages last year on his show.

Biggins

galwayrush wrote: »

An Irish version of the Monster Raving Looney party perhaps.:rolleyes:

Thats already called "Fianna Fail" here ...sadly without the same sense of humour ...or intelligence ...or common decency ...or a clue what they are doing ...one could go on...

Sulmac

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

George Hook's people party?, stemming on from his little trips round to all the little backwards villages last year on his show.

First policy: Sky+ for all! :pac:

dlofnep

Not going to happen IMO.

Ferball

Ivan Yeats maybe?

bmaxi

We've just had a confidence vote in Cowen carried in the Dáil, have these FF TDs only become dissatisified with the leadership since then?

mike65

Short of a genuine prolonged collapse of the two civil war parties it won't happen. Its much easier to fix FF/FG than superceed them with a new party.

cyclopath2001

rugbyman wrote: »

have been reading newspapers ,on current affairs for over 30 years. Of lete I feel there are too many papers and therefore too many scribes, so stories have to be made up or made out of a rumour or speck of truth.

There may be fewer 'scribes' than you think. Some write under more than one name & judging by what's written, the culprits have not been exposed to the rigours of journalistic fact-finding & verification.

sceptre

I've been informed by a reliable (as far as I'm concerned and my standards are high) source today that this is a clear example of the Indo just completely making up a story with no actual basis for it, regardless of whether or not the unnamed FG TD making the comment is John Deasy, which it almost certainly is. I suspect that it isn't the first time this week that Mr Deasy has been an unnamed source in a national newspaper.

Take the story seriously at your whim but, erm, it's just made up.

Sponge Bob

Sure this was not what you heard ??

sceptre wrote: »

this is a clear just another example of the Indo just completely making up a story with no actual basis for it

sceptre

Actually, your post change is probably precisely what I heard:) At some point in the future I'll write a long rambling rant on the news/media forum or elsewhere about journalistic standards in this country.

Coillte_Bhoy

bmaxi wrote: »

We've just had a confidence vote in Cowen carried in the Dáil, have these FF TDs only become dissatisified with the leadership since then?

That vote is completely irrelevant to the feelings of dissatisfaction among FF td's. They are not going to vote against Cowen in a dail confidence motion ffs.

PeterIanStaker

This is complete bulls hit. Dessie tried it before and it didnt work. Secondly, its the Spindo, so I expect nothing less than fiction from them.

Aren't all the hacks at the Sunday Pravdapendent paid to back FF anyway?

bmaxi

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

That vote is completely irrelevant to the feelings of dissatisfaction among FF td's. They are not going to vote against Cowen in a dail confidence motion ffs.

Yep, just the sort of guys to restore your confidence in political integrity. I'm definitely going to vote for that party.

gollem_1975

galwayrush wrote: »

An Irish version of the Monster Raving Looney party perhaps.:rolleyes:

The Munster Raving Looney Party - they could also be called the Red Shirts

thebman

sceptre wrote: »

Actually, your post change is probably precisely what I heard:) At some point in the future I'll write a long rambling rant on the news/media forum or elsewhere about journalistic standards in this country.

I've done it before they are convinced nothing is wrong and they are wonderful and its the people that are wrong for the way they read it :-/

jmayo

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Health warning: link leads to Sunday Indo.

So is this non politican leader going to be brendan o'connor sinc that other fine indo scribe harris is already a soprt of politican ?

sceptre wrote: »

I've been informed by a reliable (as far as I'm concerned and my standards are high) source today that this is a clear example of the Indo just completely making up a story with no actual basis for it, regardless of whether or not the unnamed FG TD making the comment is John Deasy, which it almost certainly is. I suspect that it isn't the first time this week that Mr Deasy has been an unnamed source in a national newspaper.

Take the story seriously at your whim but, erm, it's just made up.

You really do have a low opinion of mr deasy :rolleyes:

Maybe he should go under the title "the man with no name" ?

nuac

Could we start a list of all the Sindo stories that turned out to be false

Offhand I can`only think of two

1. An alleged scandal about Seamus Brennan and cigars and drink at Aer Lingus

2. The lady who was travelling with Liam Lawlor when he was killed in a car crash. I understand she has received damages for being - wrongly - referred to as a prostitute. As far as I recall the SIndo published this from an unreliable source in Moscow without any checking.

They fly a kite nearly every Sunday

The feature writers etc write about each other and their friends as if the whole nation was enthralled with such news. The nation is not.

A comic of a paper.

Digi_Tilmitt

FF and FG should just merge. I always found it strange that they didn't go into coalition together.

sceptre

nuac wrote: »

Could we start a list of all the Sindo stories that turned out to be false

Try the News & Media forum if you'd like to do that.

sceptre

jmayo wrote: »

You really do have a low opinion of mr deasy :rolleyes:

I've no opinion on the guy whatever, either positive or negative.

Maybe he should go under the title "the man with no name" ?

Everyone has a name. As a constitutional democrat, I'm not big into titles. People can call themselves "Lord Toffywibble", "Peter Earl Rabbit" or "Uomo senza nome" (while wearing a brown poncho) without affecting my sensibilities though if that makes themselves happier - it doesn't generally hurt anyone else if they do so.

imme

Max Power1 wrote: »

Declan Ganley returns, anyone?

you could be on to something MP1

@OP, each TD will still have to vote for Taoiseach when a new Dail convenes so, no it wouldn`t mean handing anything to Labour per se.