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Who would you vote for tomorrow (Post FG Crisis)

  • 17-06-2010 05:21PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭


    Considering now that a lot of people are reconsidering how they feel about Fine Gael due to the Bruton/Kenny situation I would like to to see who Boards would vote for tomorrow.

    Personally, I am confused. I wouldn't give Fianna Fáil the steam off my own piss after the way they've handled the country, I feel Fine Gael are incompetent to manage their own party don't mind the country... Labour have progressive social policies which I applaud, but their economic policies are ridiculous.
    The Greens are traitors to democracy, hanging in there with Fianna Fáil to pass thier own agenda, and Sinn Féin/The Hard Left is just something I wouldn't like to see running this country.

    I'm not sure who to turn to anymore. :(

    After the FG crisis who would you vote for tomorrow? 207 votes

    FF
    0% 0 votes
    FG
    12% 25 votes
    Lab
    31% 65 votes
    Greens
    33% 69 votes
    SF
    5% 11 votes
    Ind/Other
    8% 18 votes
    I don't know
    9% 19 votes


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭RonMexico


    Can you make a poll OP? Feel pretty much the same here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 303 ✭✭deanh


    Given the events of the past 20? years, my vote is for the party out of power for most of that time, Fine Gael. There is always an alternative, people just have to have the courage to vote for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,314 ✭✭✭sink


    Don't know, probably go by who is on the local ticket. I'm not enamoured by any parties front bench, even less so after today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,729 ✭✭✭Pride Fighter


    Labour.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 52 ✭✭duffflash


    Labour.
    +1


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,236 ✭✭✭Breezer


    Tomorrow I'd spoil my vote. I'll see what happens in the next few weeks and re-evaluate the plan then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,952 ✭✭✭Lando Griffin


    I was looking forward to the next election until this civil war broke out in FG. Kenny has to go as leader before they get my vote, now all we have to look forward to is every FF td smiling like a spoilt cheshire cat tarnished with greed and corruption.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 52 ✭✭duffflash


    Breezer wrote: »
    Tomorrow I'd spoil my vote. I'll see what happens in the next few weeks and re-evaluate the plan then.

    So its another 5 years of FF voted in by the OAP brigade and you by not using your vote:mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,236 ✭✭✭Breezer


    duffflash wrote: »
    So its another 5 years of FF voted in by the OAP brigade and you by not using your vote:mad:
    A spoiled vote is using your vote. Not voting is not using your vote.

    Similarly, spoiling your vote is not voting for Fianna Fáil. Voting for Fianna Fáil is voting for Fianna Fáil.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 52 ✭✭duffflash


    Breezer wrote: »
    A spoiled vote is using your vote. Not voting is not using your vote.

    So spoiled have won the election. Their a great party:rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 811 ✭✭✭mal1


    I wasn't sure last week, thinking of Fine Gael this morning if Richard got it, but it's probably Greens or Labour now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭loldog


    I think Irish people have spent too much time badmouthing politicians and generally whinging about the political class, often unjustly. It creates an atmosphere where worthwhile people of high calibre will not go into politics as it is a thankless task.

    Which has led to this situation.

    .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,236 ✭✭✭Breezer


    duffflash wrote: »
    So spoiled have won the election. Their a great party:rolleyes:
    I cannot in good conscience vote for:

    Fianna Fáil - a mixture of criminals, party loyalists, and numpties

    Fine Gael (without a credible front bench) - a less corrupt but equally useless version of Fianna Fáil

    Labour - a party with a vague vision of fairness but no substance behind it. And I'm not sure I agree with its idea of fairness. I can't be sure though, since it's never really specified.

    Sinn Féin - I disagree with their views on just about everything

    Independent - independent candidates are, generally speaking, not in the national interest, in my opinion

    So what exactly would you like me to do? Say '+1' every time someone says 'Labour' because it happens to be your preference? Or at least register a protest? To Labour's credit, it probably is the best of an extremely bad lot after this, but that's not enough for me to vote for them.

    Edit: I actually forgot the Greens. Says it all really.


  • Posts: 223 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Labour.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 52 ✭✭duffflash


    Breezer wrote: »
    I cannot in good conscience vote for:

    Fianna Fáil - a mixture of criminals, party loyalists, and numpties
    Fine Gael (without a credible front bench) - a less corrupt but equally useless version of Fianna Fáil
    Labour - a party with a vague vision of fairness but no substance behind it
    Sinn Féin - I disagree with their views on just about everything
    Independent - independent candidates are, generally speaking, not in the national interest, in my opinion

    So what exactly would you like me to do? Say '+1' every time someone says 'Labour'? To Labour's credit, it probably is the best of an extremely bad lot after this, but that's not enough for me to vote for them.

    Edit: I actually forgot the Greens. Says it all really.

    Look god knows we need a big change. There is a lot of OAPs in this country that will vote for a party because of what side their family was on in the civil war. It’s up to the youth of this country to use their vote otherwise it will always be the same old farts in power. Thats all I'm saying.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,011 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    I honestly dont know if theres a party in Ireland I could vote *for* at this point. Fine Gael have been stripped of Bruton and most of their front bench talent, and even if the rebels return to the bench it will be under a leader they have no confidence in - doesnt sound like a recipe for good government, especially given that under Kenny they will be a minority partner with Labour.

    Fianna Fail, Labour, Greens, the Provos...Id give them all negative votes if such a thing were possible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,236 ✭✭✭Breezer


    duffflash wrote: »
    Look god knows we need a big change. There is a lot of OAPs in this country that will vote for a party because of what side their family was on in the civil war. It’s up to the youth of this country to use their vote otherwise it will always be the same old farts in power. Thats all I'm saying.
    I fully agree, but when presented with the options as outlined above I don't honestly see what else I can do. I don't see any of them as a change for the better. I also can't believe I'm saying this as I hate the "there's no alternative" argument, but that was when I could genuinely see one.

    However, there will not be a general election tomorrow. Maybe Enda Kenny will somehow shape FG into a credible outfit again. Maybe Eamon Gilmore will finally start explaining exactly what 'fairness' is and how Labour is going to bring it about. In all likelihood, I will find something that I can latch on to, and vote for it.

    But at the moment I am bitterly disappointed that the party I saw as Ireland's best hope for the future lies in tatters. If there were an election tomorrow, I would spoil my vote. But there won't be, so I'll wait and see.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    Labour for me.

    Edit: Mods; any chance of adding a poll on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,644 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    Locked while I add a poll (involves having to move it to a different forum and back etc)

    Thread reopened. Enjoy.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,007 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    I'm hoping FG's Bruton fans split into a new party that has good economic policy as its focus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,011 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    I dont think the split was ever as bitter as a Haughey FF one. Haughey was the sort of chap who would skim off a charity collection for a friends illness, let alone what he would do to an enemy. In comparison, Bruton and Kenny were having a chat midway during the meeting.

    So, an out and out split to an alternate party is unlikely.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭InchicoreDude


    Fine Gael because I believe that they still posess more talented politicians than any of the other parties. I include Enda Kenny, Richard Bruton, Brian Hayes & James Reilly in that bracket.
    My hope now is that Enda Kenny will invite many of the current frontbench back to their respective positions.
    I think I may have overestimated Richard Bruton though - I was sure that a guy who comes across as meticulous as he does would have absolutely ensured he had the numbers to win any challenge.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭guinnessdrinker


    I think I may have overestimated Richard Bruton though - I was sure that a guy who comes across as meticulous as he does would have absolutely ensured he had the numbers to win any challenge.

    I agree with this, when it was becoming obvious Bruton didn't have the numbers why did he even challange Kenny. That and his extremely poor sense of timing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Last week's agenda : "Kenny is a wimp and I wouldn't vote for him"
    This week's agenda : "Kenny took the bull by the horns and dealt comprehensively with a challenge, and because of that I wouldn't vote for him"

    Some kudos has to go to Kenny for issuing the vote of confidence; compare and contrast with Cowen who brazened it out and refused point-blank to allow FF members to speak their mind in a secret ballot.

    At the moment, Kenny is the best option, maybe in conjunction with Labour in a coalition. It worked for us the last time, sowing the seeds of growth that FF subsequently squandered.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭Kev_ps3


    If I was forced it would be Sinn Fein, maby Labour, but I really cant stand any of them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 410 ✭✭trapsagenius


    Labour, but if Lenihan gets better and becomes leader of FF I'd have no hesitation in voting for them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,011 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    @Kev_ps3
    If I was forced it would be Sinn Fein, maby Labour, but I really cant stand any of them.

    Shure they're all the same and all pretty terrible. Youd be best staying at home and not voting. Best for Ireland too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 410 ✭✭trapsagenius


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Last week's agenda : "Kenny is a wimp and I wouldn't vote for him"
    This week's agenda : "Kenny took the bull by the horns and dealt comprehensively with a challenge, and because of that I wouldn't vote for him"

    I wouldn't say "comprehensively".I mean, he won by 6 votes only.The fact that half his front bench, including his two most able politicians (imo) in Varadkar and Bruton, don't have confidence in him is hardly inspiring.
    Liam Byrne wrote: »

    At the moment, Kenny is the best option, maybe in conjunction with Labour in a coalition. It worked for us the last time, sowing the seeds of growth that FF subsequently squandered.

    And where does Albert Reynolds fit into this whole scenario?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭rugbyman


    I havejust read through two threads of more or less anti Kenny stuff.
    What amazes me is how much interest the same few posters have.

    One lady talks of how she was about to break FF tradition in her family , the Fg to whom she would move to, would need to change its leader. ., another who voted Labour for 20 years but had decided to change to FG ,if it changed its leader. fairly fickle stuff.

    it occurs to me that most of these had no particular intention of moving.


    to those who want to vote for a change in Govt. rather than just supporting the party of a leader you like ,you must look at the likelyhood of a particular candidate being elected.

    Sand, i have read most of your posts with interest over the last year or two.
    On the Enda/Richard issue you seem to have lost some of your logic and rationale. At this moment I cannot find examples of what I mean other than ,on this thread where you suggest lab will be bigger than FG.

    Regards, Rugbyman


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