Moral Dilemma #4

Sandwlch

Assume you are playing a competitive round of some importance to you, whatever that level is for you.

Your approach finished on the green but you are stymied from the hole by the kidney or indented design of the green which place rough/water/sand/mound in the way of your putt.

Do you :

a) accept that two putts is the best possible outcome and that 3 is likely

b) play a chip or pitch with a lofted club taking care to minimise the impact on the green even if you need to modify your technique

c) play your preferred shot with no concern for the consequences for the green (probably cursing course designer, greenkeeper for the shot you are facing and saying any damage to the green is their own fault)

?

G1032

Depends on how important I suppose.
If it's a Junior Cup All Ireland Final and I had to get down in two to bring the match down the 19th the I'm going to pick C.

If its the club matchplay final then i'll pick A.

Mister Sifter

I agree that it would depend on the situation. If the round had gone, i.e. i was out of contention and was resigned to .1 back, i'd go for A.

If it was anyway import though and there was something riding on it, I'd play the shot that was most likely to get me into the hole in the least number of shots possible. If that meant taking a divot out of the green, then i'd just have to take a bit of time after i'd finished the hole to make sure that i repaired the mark as best i could.

GorHugh

Sandwlch wrote: »

Assume you are playing a competitive round of some importance to you, whatever that level is for you.

Your approach finished on the green but you are stymied from the hole by the kidney or indented design of the green which place rough/water/sand/mound in the way of your putt.

Do you :

a) accept that two putts is the best possible outcome and that 3 is likely

b) play a chip or pitch with a lofted club taking care to minimise the impact on the green even if you need to modify your technique

c) play your preferred shot with no concern for the consequences for the green (probably cursing course designer, greenkeeper for the shot you are facing and saying any damage to the green is their own fault)

?

Option c , if i'm in the running for something or if it means winning a hole in matchplay i'd have to go for it ....

I remember a couple of years back at some PGA event in the states , Els or Goosen were faced wit a 90yd putt and they opted used a lob wedge to get it close to the hole and it caused a little debate on wether he shud have putt it or not ....

uberwolf

I recall Mickleson had the wedge out in the US open a few years back, and there's a local rule in the European club to prevent this afaik on a kidney shaped green. Need for the local rule suggests very few people had any doubt what they intended to do...

GorHugh

uberwolf wrote: »

I recall Mickleson had the wedge out in the US open a few years back, and there's a local rule in the European club to prevent this afaik on a kidney shaped green. Need for the local rule suggests very few people had any doubt what they intended to do...

I stand corrected , Phil it was ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KQ3PDDhFuw

Daithio9

Sandwlch wrote: »

Assume you are playing a competitive round of some importance to you, whatever that level is for you.

Your approach finished on the green but you are stymied from the hole by the kidney or indented design of the green which place rough/water/sand/mound in the way of your putt.

Do you :

a) accept that two putts is the best possible outcome and that 3 is likely

b) play a chip or pitch with a lofted club taking care to minimise the impact on the green even if you need to modify your technique

c) play your preferred shot with no concern for the consequences for the green (probably cursing course designer, greenkeeper for the shot you are facing and saying any damage to the green is their own fault)

?

This is a no brainer, the answer is d) all of the above.

PhilipMarlowe

Didn't Mickleson wedge it up the 18th green at the Belfry also to the back pin position?

Miley Byrne

ozymandias10 wrote: »

How is this a moral dilemma. ou don't sign the card end of. If this person wants you to do this I'd say he is the type of person that could change a card after it has been signed as well.

Why would you not sign the card? He would be breaking no rule.

Daithio9

ozymandias10 wrote: »

If he doesn't play the hole out and asks to put down a six. you don't sign the card unless it reflects what actually happened. Putting the wrong score on the card is a breach of rules and would end up with disqualification if noticed.

Get confused much?.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055942771

Speak Now

ozymandias10 wrote: »

If he doesn't play the hole out and asks to put down a six. you don't sign the card unless it reflects what actually happened. Putting the wrong score on the card is a breach of rules and would end up with disqualification if noticed.

These moral dliemma threads are getting confusing

fullstop

Almost always B for me...and possibly C on the odd occasion.

Licksy wrote: »

Didn't Mickleson wedge it up the 18th green at the Belfry also to the back pin position?

Mickelson did it in the 2002 Ryder Cup, yes.

ozymandias10 wrote: »

If he doesn't play the hole out and asks to put down a six. you don't sign the card unless it reflects what actually happened. Putting the wrong score on the card is a breach of rules and would end up with disqualification if noticed.

You, sir, are in the wrong thread

Trampas

I remember Phil chipping on the green in the ryder cup.

Everyone went :eek: when he took a lump out of the green

The_Architect

Bad design of green or bad pin placement by the maintenance staff.

This shouldn't occur.

There is a bunker in the middle of the green at the 6th hole at Riviera. Due to clever internal contours, you can reach most places on the green from anywhere else.

There is a bunker in the middle of the green at the 12th hole at Doonbeg. Due to not so clever internal contours, you can't.

ozymandias10

Daithio9 wrote: »

Get confused much?.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055942771

thanks diathí.. I now see my error.. Denis OC I replied to the wrong thread..I have a moral dilemma of my own now.....delete or not to delete....

Apologies again and thanks for the gentle nudge

Clareman

It wasn't too long ago that "mashers" were used on greens to get over other balls, my feelings would be that if a club had a green which had a possibility of being unable to get to the pin with a putting stroke AND didn't have a local rule to cover it then fair game.

Saying that, if it was a 4 foot putt that I didn't have a hope of getting in anyway but I could get within a few feet of the hole even with the obstruction I would lay up

baltimore sun

option c obviously