Interesting faux-pas on Vincent Brown

Liam Byrne

I think it's Micheal Martin who, when quizzed about FF's problems and their leader's standing, referenced last week's poll and pointed out that it had a small paragraph stating that the methodology used was one off and will never be used again!

If FF can use that, why the HELL didn't FG pick up on that and use the same story ?

It saddens me to say that martin is nearly making FF look like the most reasonable of em all..wtf was bruton at...

ParkRunner

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I think it's Micheal Martin who, when quizzed about FF's problems and their leader's standing, referenced last week's poll and pointed out that it had a small paragraph stating that the methodology used was one off and will never be used again!

If FF can use that, why the HELL didn't FG pick up on that and use the same story ?

James Reilly mentioned that tonight on primetime and said the Red C poll will see FG go back into first place again

I've an awful feeling tonight is the start of the resurgence of Fianna Fail..

ShamoBuc

FFS nuf said

CoalBucket

Deleted User wrote: »

I've an awful feeling tonight is the start of the resurgence of Fianna Fail..

I doubt it very much, an arguement in FG is not going to make people forget the position that Cowen and the rest of the FF party have put the Country in.

CoalBucket

CoalBucket wrote: »

I doubt it very much, an arguement in FG is not going to make people forget the position that Cowen and the rest of the FF party have put the Country in.

They've forgotten it already...cowen was hung in the two reports last week and we're discussing this sh*t..(although this could well be another FF cycle where they cut taxes etc before the election and then turn around and say they were talking ****e after..)

Liam Byrne

Deleted User wrote: »

It saddens me to say that martin is nearly making FF look like the most reasonable of em all..wtf was bruton at...

The fact is that this is always their modus operandi.......they appear as reasonable as hell, defending the indefensible calmly and abdicating responsibility, while all the while lining their own pockets with expenses and lying through their teeth about Lehmans, etc.

So I'm not surprised that Martin is "making them look" the most reasonable.....it's the reason so many people have been hoodwinked so many times....it's their "playing politics" tactic, and they have it down to a "T".

If you're deluded enough to believe that you're infallible and untouchable and the greatest thing ever, then of course you can say it with conviction.

Doesn't make it true, though.

Euro_Kraut

Liam Byrne wrote: »

If FF can use that, why the HELL didn't FG pick up on that and use the same story ?

It has been used frequently by Kenny's supporters over the last few days.

CoalBucket

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They've forgotten it already...cowen was hung in the two reports last week and we're discussing this sh*t..(although this could well be another FF cycle where they cut taxes etc before the election and then turn around and say they were talking ****e after..)

The media have forgotten, the people have not forgotten.

Liam Byrne

Liam Byrne wrote: »

The fact is that this is always their modus operandi.......they appear as reasonable as hell, defending the indefensible calmly and abdicating responsibility, while all the while lining their own pockets with expenses and lying through their teeth about Lehmans, etc.

So I'm not surprised that Martin is "making them look" the most reasonable.....it's the reason so many people have been hoodwinked so many times....it's their "playing politics" tactic, and they have it down to a "T".

If you're deluded enough to believe that you're infallible and untouchable and the greatest thing ever, then of course you can say it with conviction.

Doesn't make it true, though.

Yes, but the unwashed masses aren't concerned with the truth..i dunno..i just dont have a good feeling about this..FG have sidelined themselves..labour have probably won all they're gonna win..

Smiley Burnett

the fine gael sideshow will last a week, but the incompetent ff govt will still be in place next week and the voter's absolute desire to remove them from office will be stronger than ever!!
ff are finished!!

ANXIOUS

Finna fail is the best group of politically sava (?) people in the country. They will always do well in elections because they can relate to the common voter, even when they are making the tough decisions. As MM pointed out, it shows fg are havnt got the strength in their convictions if they are so easily moved by a once off opinion poll.

Can you imagein what outside investors would think if fg were in governent. Just think what they'd do if they were in governent and lost the local elections. You can't expect people to vote for such an unpredictable party, people love familarty they don't like change.

Liam Byrne

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Finna fail is the best group of politically sava (?) people in the country. They will always do well in elections because they can relate to the common voter

I mustn't be a "common voter" so.

Fianna Fáil are "savvy" enough to twist everything.

Unfortunately they are not "savvy" enough to make the correct decisions......or, it could be argued, they are "savvy" enough to make the ones that suit them just enough to bluff and brazen their way out of any responsibility.

Politically (as in the political "game") they are perfect....."Teflon Taoiseach" springs to mind.

Politically (as in doing the right things to make Ireland a fair, sustainable and forward-thinking country), they are a millstone around our necks.

ANXIOUS

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I mustn't be a "common voter" so.

Fianna Fáil are "savvy" enough to twist everything.

Unfortunately they are not "savvy" enough to make the correct decisions......or, it could be argued, they are "savvy" enough to make the ones that suit them just enough to bluff and brazen their way out of any responsibility.

Politically (as in the political "game") they are perfect....."Teflon Taoiseach" springs to mind.

Politically (as in doing the right things to make Ireland a fair, sustainable and forward-thinking country), they are a millstone around our necks.

Well I suppose they are "savvy" enough to be in governent for 13yrs and counting. Did one of the writers of those reports you keep going on about not come out and say that the governent is making the right decisions and we are one of the best placed in Europe?

Smiley Burnett

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Well I suppose they are "savvy" enough to be in governent for 13yrs and counting. Did one of the writers of those reports you keep going on about not come out and say that the governent is making the right decisions and we are one of the best placed in Europe?

yeah!! The right decisions to get us out of THIS BANKRUPT STATE THAT FIANNA FAIL THEMSELVES CREATED!!

The vote should should be taken away from clowns like you!!

Liam Byrne

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Did one of the writers of those reports you keep going on about not come out and say that the governent is making the right decisions and we are one of the best placed in Europe?

Remind me again why those "right decisions" were required.

If a drunk driver crashes into you and almost kills you, you can still acknowledge if they suddenly do the right thing and call an ambulance; but you'll still sue the f**k out of them because they were completely in the wrong and caused the accident in the first place.

And if they get off scot-free and are still driving around two years later, you're well within your rights to complain about justice not being done.

ANXIOUS

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Remind me again why those "right decisions" were required.

If a drunk driver crashes into you and almost kills you, you can still acknowledge if they suddenly do the right thing and call an ambulance; but you'll still sue the f**k out of them because they were completely in the wrong and caused the accident in the first place.

And if they get off scot-free and are still driving around two years later, you're well within your rights to complain about justice not being done.

So you acknowledge that ff are taking the right decisions? Why would you want to jeopardise the economic recovery by voting in a pack of fascists communists and reformed terrorists. It wouldnt inspire confidence in the banking sector.

In fairness liam we are never going to agree, but i would always like you to remember that 99% of countries are in recession. And as your favourite reports state we are doing well in our recovery. Of what can not be said for 99% of the other countries.

Liam Byrne

ANXIOUS wrote: »

So you acknowledge that ff are taking the right decisions? Why would you want to jeopardise the economic recovery by voting in a pack of fascists communists and reformed terrorists. It wouldnt inspire confidence in the banking sector.

In fairness liam we are never going to agree, but i would always like you to remember that 99% of countries are in recession. And as your favourite reports state we are doing well in our recovery. Of what can not be said for 99% of the other countries.

I asked you a question, and you ignored it.

Why was the recovery required ?

Would you accept bullet-wound treatment from a doctor who shot you ?

And who are these "fascists, communists and reformed terrorists" that you're talking about ?

I could see "reformed terrorists" being a reasonably apt description of Sinn Féin, and my opinion of them is well-known on boards; but as for the others, I haven't a notion who you are talking about ?

Maybe you're referring to FF's recent past, where Haughey wanted to import arms for the IRA ?

Regarding your "right decisions" comment, I have two key objections :

1) As I said above, I don't trust FF based on their track record
2) Anyone who has confidence in con-men (even your sig overlooks the fact that there's a report due on Ahern) and expense-claimers and perjurists does not have my confidence, for obvious reasons......and they certainly cannot "sell" the idea of "sharing the pain" if they are getting more in expenses per year due to false information than I am in wages.

As for "never going to agree", that depends on how blinkered your support of FF is; I'll listen to any argument that stands up. This is evident from logical discussions that deal in facts that I've managed to have with hallelujajordan and to some extent ninty9er, despite my fundamental objection to the ethos of their party.....because they deal in facts and justifiable concerns, and don't ignore the issues.

jmayo

CoalBucket wrote: »

The media have forgotten, the people have not forgotten.

Remember who the media are, how they are connected to a certain party.
Always look behind the person talking.
Take examples such as Fionan Sheehan politics editor of indo whose missus was/is a 90 grand a year advisor to mary hannafin and council election ff candidate in North County Dublin.
Take mirriam o'callaghan whose brother ran for ff in council elections.
Take ryan tubridy whose grandfather was ff td, who two uncles were ff tds, whose two cousins are current ff tds, and whose brother is council candidate.
BTW I am not even mentioing the likes of harris, o'connor etc.

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Finna fail is the best group of politically sava (?) people in the country. They will always do well in elections because they can relate to the common voter, even when they are making the tough decisions. As MM pointed out, it shows fg are havnt got the strength in their convictions if they are so easily moved by a once off opinion poll.

Can you imagein what outside investors would think if fg were in governent. Just think what they'd do if they were in governent and lost the local elections. You can't expect people to vote for such an unpredictable party, people love familarty they don't like change.

Can you imagine what outside investors think of the morons who allow themselves be governed by a party and a leader that helped sink the entire banking system of the state and then signe dup the taxpayers to bail out the corrupt ineptly run banks of all their debts ?

ANXIOUS wrote: »

So you acknowledge that ff are taking the right decisions? Why would you want to jeopardise the economic recovery by voting in a pack of fascists communists and reformed terrorists. It wouldnt inspire confidence in the banking sector.

In fairness liam we are never going to agree, but i would always like you to remember that 99% of countries are in recession. And as your favourite reports state we are doing well in our recovery. Of what can not be said for 99% of the other countries.

What f***ing economic recovery ?

We are continuing to borrow huge amounts of money both for the huge public spending caused by ff and the bank/devel;oper bailouts again caused by ff.
If the bond markets decide that we are in the same league as Spain or Portugal we are f***ed.

Ah yes the familar mantra of we are all in recession.
Except as pointed out by those reports we are in a very unique recession due in large part to biffo clowen and co.

sceptre

Those of you who are about to have coronary problems, please calm down. Adding extra heat to your posts doesn't do your posts or the forum any favours.

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sceptre

ANXIOUS wrote: »

by voting in a pack of fascists communists and reformed terrorists.

Dude, that's a nasty plank you've got in your eye there. I'd pull that out before looking for specks (or planks) elsewhere.

Bits of that are something to do with Eoin O'Duffy and the Workers Party aren't they? I'm afraid that on that basis, rather than bring up Haughey and co's activities in the arms trial (let alone more recently) as Liam Byrne (reasonably) did as a riposte worth at least as much, what de Valera was doing in the biscuit factory and so forth, I just tend to ignore everything that comes after wibble waffle like that. I suspect most other people do likewise. I trust you can do better than that, please at least try - most forum members are aiming for reasonable standards of discussion and contribution here after all.

Aside, the question was asked as to whether one would consent to treatment from a doctor who'd just pumped a round into your belly. While it's a reasonable question to ask how good a doctor he is - after all, it's my tum tum, before letting him near me the first question for me would be: if he's prone to shooting people and if he's now in charge of my care, is he likely to do it again...

eoinbn

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Well I suppose they are "savvy" enough to be in governent for 13yrs and counting. Did one of the writers of those reports you keep going on about not come out and say that the governent is making the right decisions and we are one of the best placed in Europe?

The only country that is in a worse position is Greece! The only reason that Greece is in a worse position is because their government committed massive fraud and lied about the numbers for years- should we be grateful that FF didnt do that?! Pat Carey was on VB saying that we were in a better position than Germany as we faced up to our problems earlier- we have a deficit of 12.5% of GDP while Germany expects to have a deficit 2.5% of GDP this year!

Kenny's popularity in the last poll was 24%, FG was at 28%. In the poll before it 31% for Kenny, 32% for FG. It's the personal figure that is really damning for the man. How can the party make real gains if <30% of the people have fate in him?