Should Waterford City and County Councils Merge?

dayshah

Should Waterford City and County Councils Merge?

I think it would be good for the city.

The TK Maxx issue is discussed elsewhere, but I think part of the problem is that it was located in the county to serve the city.

I think a merger would be good for the city. I wonder what people in the county think.

The city would benefit from better overall planning, the county would better financially.

I mean, Waterford City, Tramore, Dunmore, Kilmeadan, and Kilmac are so intertwined does it make sense for them to be under a different local authority?

mike65

Nope I think Warterford should become a city state with a mote and a high wall, funded by tarrifs and a toll to enter the city.

(seriously speaking now)

Yes, but my God you'd hear the squeals from here to Mongolia

Yes Boss

Without a doubt. Not alone would you have decision making that would benefit the entire County, you would achieve massive public sector efficiencies. Competition between the two Council has contributed to overall poor performance of the County....Great idea!!

merlante

I think that Waterford city council should have jurisdiction over everywhere within 8km of the city centre plus Tramore, so they can plan properly. The same should be done for other cities. Then I'd merge 2/3 county councils together in the surrounding hinterland. I mean for administrative purposes, South Tipp. have a lot more in common with Co. Waterford than Co. Waterford has with Waterford city, which are very different demographically.

dayshah

merlante wrote: »

I think that Waterford city council should have jurisdiction over everywhere within 8km of the city centre plus Tramore, so they can plan properly. The same should be done for other cities. Then I'd merge 2/3 county councils together in the surrounding hinterland. I mean for administrative purposes, South Tipp. have a lot more in common with Co. Waterford than Co. Waterford has with Waterford city, which are very different demographically.

I think as far out to Kilmac would benefit. Don't know about Dungarvan, but overall I think it would be good.

Odats

East vs West politics wouldn't work. It's Ireland efficiency is not something we are good at especially in the public sector.

ex_infantry man

mike65 wrote: »

Nope I think Warterford should become a city state with a mote and a high wall, funded by tarrifs and a toll to enter the city.



Yes, but my God you'd hear the squeals from here to Mongolia

well it has its toll already so we,re nearly there lol

Silverado

merlante wrote: »

I think that Waterford city council should have jurisdiction over everywhere within 8km of the city centre plus Tramore, so they can plan properly. The same should be done for other cities. Then I'd merge 2/3 county councils together in the surrounding hinterland. I mean for administrative purposes, South Tipp. have a lot more in common with Co. Waterford than Co. Waterford has with Waterford city, which are very different demographically.

I agree completely. I know how sore this point is with our south Kilkenny neighbours but for administration it really is necessary for Waterford City Council to have control over all the city boundaries, including Granny across to Slieverue. After all the new byepass and motorway are there which are principal gateways to the city.

I know that we laugh when the cartographers make errors such as the Ordinance Survey and Google Maps recently when they drew the Waterford county boundary right through south Kilkenny but but certain local issues would not arise if it were a fact. For instance the situation where Ferrybank shopping centre (the Belmont Road one) was objected to by Waterford City Council.

Okay, I don't have a problem with the south Kilkenny population wearing the Black and Amber but can we just confine that to the sports field.

mike65

merlante obviously knows he/she has suggested the impossible.

BBM77

merlante wrote: »

I think that Waterford city council should have jurisdiction over everywhere within 8km of the city centre plus Tramore, so they can plan properly. The same should be done for other cities. Then I'd merge 2/3 county councils together in the surrounding hinterland. I mean for administrative purposes, South Tipp. have a lot more in common with Co. Waterford than Co. Waterford has with Waterford city, which are very different demographically.

I have heard the merging of the city and county mooted before and I would be against it. As Merlante said we should extend the jurisdiction of the cities so they administer their hinterland no matter what county it is in. This ridiculous stone age tribal attitude we have in this country is preventing the proper planning of areas just outside city boundaries. The shopping centre in Ferrybank and the situation with TK Max are examples of this.

I really cannot see what benefit merging the city and county would be. Frankly I think it would benefit the county only and take rates money out of the city and therefore weaken the city. This at the worst possible time, when it is really trying to strengthen its city centre.

It would make a lot more sense if all these UDC’s, Borough Councils and Town Councils were abolished and just had county councils and city councils for the five cities.

merlante

mike65 wrote: »

merlante obviously knows he/she has suggested the impossible.

Just like electing a black man as US president or having flights grounded across Europe because of a volcano.

Come one mike65, things change!

Dum_Dum

Abolish the county, city and town councils. Create one administration for each region.

mike65

merlante, take a square centimeter of KK ground and the world ends. Getting a black man in the White House is far easier.

merlante

Dum_Dum wrote: »

Abolish the county, city and town councils. Create one administration for each region.

I actually think you should have councils for urban areas and councils for rural areas to be honest. The issues and the politics are completely different. Merging the two just smacks of something DeValera would do to hold back urban Ireland.

For the SE, I'd merge Co. Waterford and South Tipp., with the HQ in Clonmel. I'd merge Kilkenny and Carlow with the HQ in Kilkenny. Wexford is probably fine on its own. You would have the smallest council population with about 75,000 (Waterford city area + Tramore) and all the rest would have populations of 120,000 plus. That's not too bad. Urban areas are more difficult to manage, hence smaller populations there are fine.

Then I'd devolve power to the councils to raise local domestic rates, etc., and then you would have a higher calibre of politician coming through and regions would have an incentive to run themselves more efficiently.

merlante

mike65 wrote: »

merlante, take a square centimeter of KK ground and the world ends. Getting a black man in the White House is far easier.

You never know, with FF out, what is possible may change dramatically in this country.

dayshah

merlante wrote: »

For the SE, I'd merge Co. Waterford and South Tipp., with the HQ in Clonmel. I'd merge Kilkenny and Carlow with the HQ in Kilkenny. Wexford is probably fine on its own. You would have the smallest council population with about 75,000 (Waterford city area + Tramore) and all the rest would have populations of 120,000 plus. That's not too bad. Urban areas are more difficult to manage, hence smaller populations there are fine.

If we take Tramore we may aswell have all to the east of it (Dunmore, Passage etc).

Way off topic- but I've just looked at a map and noticed East Waterford is a peninsula. We can call it the Peninsular East Waterford Council (Pewc).

mike65

Sounds a bit Welsh that does.

hellfireie

And put jobs for the boys out of there big fat wages every week i cant see that happening. sure look at how many TD's there is , they should be halfed and some should be cut in half...

the uk can run the country on far less officals per head of population

merlante

hellfireie wrote: »

And put jobs for the boys out of there big fat wages every week i cant see that happening. sure look at how many TD's there is , they should be halfed and some should be cut in half...

the uk can run the country on far less officals per head of population

Ah sure lets just have one TD and make his title hereditary and have done with it... if ever there was a country that democracy was wasted on, this is it.