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Enda or Richard.

  • 15-06-2010 11:20AM
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭


    There is a few staunch Fine Geal Members on here, and I was just wondering, who they should be their leader, Enda or Richard. Or is there someone else within the party that could yet be a dark horse and take over as leader.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 221 ✭✭pitkan


    I`m not a supporter of any party but even the dogs in the street know that Kenny must go.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Since you're asking "staunch" FG members, my opinion won't count.

    I think both of them deserve a kick up the hole for allowing this spat to happen this week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭darragh o meara


    Enda has really acted like a spoilt brat throwing the toys out of the pram this week sacking Richard. I have never really got involved in politics until recently but since I have I can see that Enda has the gob but Richard has the ideas..

    I think Richard would be a good finance minister candidate but cant see Enda being Taosieach material.

    So I would say Richard


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,164 ✭✭✭hobochris


    I'm not a FG man (or any other party for that matter) would say Richard should be there next leader.

    he is a lot more likeable then Kenny.


  • Posts: 7,714 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ive a feeling Bruton will be a brutal leader too though..finance was his area..he'l be shown to lack the charisma people seem to think is so important too..give it six months..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,227 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Enda has really acted like a spoilt brat throwing the toys out of the pram this week sacking Richard. I have never really got involved in politics until recently but since I have I can see that Enda has the gob but Richard has the ideas..

    I think Richard would be a good finance minister candidate but cant see Enda being Taosieach material.

    So I would say Richard

    Jeeze how naive are some people ?
    How can Kenny keep Bruton as his right hand man when he has refused to publicly back him ?
    Thus sacking is only option.

    I think Bruton has screwed this up badly.
    His timing was very bad. he would not say he supported Kenny but would not come out straight away and say he was challenging.
    He appeared to be bounced into on Prime Time, instead of keeping stum until today was over and having gathered support before making move.

    I reckon FG will get jump if Bruton takes over, but they will be back down in 6 months or a year.
    IMHO FG need someone to lead and it ain't either Kenny or Bruton at this stage as they have both been harmed by this.
    Don't get me started on coveney, creighton, or Varadker, etc.

    Actually I reckon Reilly might be someone decent down the road.
    His support and loyalty for Kenny might be his first move on this road.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 955 ✭✭✭Pot Noodle =


    Bruton all the way


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭RichardAnd


    It makes little difference really. The whole thing reminds me of children in a cresh fighting over who gets the play with the best Lego sets.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,712 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Either way I think Kenny is finished. Strategically, he's played things very well this week. But even if he survives the confidence vote, I think the damage to him and the party will be so great that he will be forced to resign at a later point. But Bruton will have the same problem of trying to reunite the party.

    I would infinitely prefer Bruton as leader, but tbh don't really care either way. I'm enjoying watching FG self-destruct.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭OMD


    Deise Tom wrote: »
    There is a few staunch Fine Geal Members on here, and I was just wondering, who they should be their leader, Enda or Richard. Or is there someone else within the party that could yet be a dark horse and take over as leader.


    It doesn't really matter what "staunch FG members" think. They will vote FG if they elect a chimp as leader. What counts is whether non FG members think. Personally I would not want Enda as Taoiseach I would be ok with Richard in that position.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 511 ✭✭✭Smiley Burnett


    It has to be Bruton!! Once he moved against Kenny, the game was up!

    Richard Bruton WILL be leader of FG by friday!

    p.s. Enda Kenny did a great job in bringing FG back from the dead following 2002 election! Nobody has a bad word to say against him on that score!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Deise Tom


    If Enda does win the vote, life could be very tough withing the party for Richard and those that have backed him publically for a considerable length of time. Does anyone see Richard or any of the nine front benchers that have backed him so far, break away from FG and start up a new party, or are they all FG through and through.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭MaceFace


    Feck them both and allow Brian Hayes the job.
    Bruton has not come out of this well at all - I am shocked at how public he has become over the last 24 hours and it has put a shadow on FG.

    As long as Kenny goes it should help FG overall though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭Eliot Rosewater


    I'm not a FG member, but Brutus all the way! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,227 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    It has to be Bruton!! Once he moved against Kenny, the game was up!

    Richard Bruton WILL be leader of FG by friday!

    p.s. Enda Kenny did a great job in bringing FG back from the dead following 2002 election! Nobody has a bad word to say against him on that score!

    Bruton might win, but it will be hollow victory since he has helped split the party.
    If he does win and demotes Kenny to backbenches then he has copperfastened that split.
    There are a lot of FG members who recognise how much Kenny did after 2002 and if he is dumped totally then Bruton time is short.
    He will also have to keep Reilly on board as well.

    At this stage I see neither Kenny or Bruton walking away with the prize.
    Bruton will be back where he started in finance, Kenny will have ministry and the new leader will be ...

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Banned Account


    jmayo wrote: »
    At this stage I see neither Kenny or Bruton walking away with the prize.
    Bruton will be back where he started in finance, Kenny will have ministry and the new leader will be ...


    ... Mary Harney.:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,227 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    ... Mary Harney.:pac:

    I knew you were possibly a closet ffer but a PD :eek::eek::eek:

    When you have two polarised groups the common sense approach is often to find a compromise that might be acceptable to both camps.
    I think it has reached this point, either that or winner will have to do an awful lot of bridge building.

    That is usually why you have the intial heave started by someone else rather then the person who is most likely to get the job.
    Instead of that Bruton decided to go for it himself and has made a total hames of it.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭IrishTonyO


    Richard Bruton has done himself no favours with his timing, he couldn't have picked a worse time if he tried! We should be focussing on the banking reports and Brian Cowen but thanks to Richard Bruton, FG are not in a strong position for the vote of confidence in Cowen. Bruton should be ashamed for his actions in weakening his party. He could have waited another a week.
    After this I don't think he would make a good Taoiseach and this shows he has a major lack of judgement.
    I think for the time being Enda will be leader but a new leader is required, but not Bruton


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 285 ✭✭not_xanthor


    Neither. Both were manipulated by media elements trying to deflect attention from FF, and they both fell for it hook line and sinker.

    Kenny has proven himself to be a complete and utter fool. He can't keep his cool under pressure, he can't handle the consequences of his actions.

    Bruton meanwhile sat too long on the fence, he wouldn't endorse Kenny, he wouldn't make a move.... until he was pushed. He's a local TD, and i think he is a pretty good one, but he's not leadership material... and after this i think many will question his integrity.

    Pity their egos got in the way of their talents, together i think they made a potentially good team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 384 ✭✭bido


    I hope Richard Bruton wins:D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭The_Thing


    I'm absolutely delighted to watch the blue-shirts tear themselves apart. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    The_Thing wrote: »
    I'm absolutely delighted to watch the blue-shirts tear themselves apart. :D

    Why ?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Neither. Kenny is unable to capitalise on the shambles that FF have made of the economy. Bruton has shown zero political cop on organising a heave when a vote of no confidence was proposed.

    Some of Brutons supporters were equally ill advised letting him. Bruton has a limited skillset, most of it economic and relatively little social or political nous along with that.

    FG would really be advised to skip a generation, no Veradkar this time ....maybe when he learns the virtue of timing...and never Coveney who is clueless about everything. But Kenny will survive until after the next election IMO. The 'rebellion' is a load of wind and piss in the media and inside the M50.

    Clann na Talmhan for the urban classes in fact :p

    The FG grassroots will give these rebels an awful earbashing over the next 48 hours and Kenny will survive in my opinion. Blueshirts simply do not like Haughey style shenanigans and will assert that difference to their meejia addled TD's.

    If I were Kenny , I would permanently sack Coveney, Naughten, Mitchell, , Creed, Timmins, and Hayes for being thick useless gob****es anyway aand would find something to do for O Dowd Enright and Veradkar to prove themselves capable of learning.

    Agriculture, Gaeltacht/Rural Affairs and Social Welfare come to mind. Veradkar would love Gaeltacht and Rural Affairs so he would and it would give Enda lots of excuses to send Veradkar out to see the real Ireland that votes FG......and most of it is outside the M50 Leo :D

    Put Bruton in charge of the Public Accounts committee while he is in purdah.

    ( Note , Sponge Bob is not a Blueshirt)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 511 ✭✭✭Smiley Burnett


    richard bruton will be leader and the party will unite and come together quite quickly!
    this is a leadership challenge borne out of necessity and the fg membership recognise this. there will be no lingering animosity and god help cowen and gilmore when richard bruton takes them on!!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    richard bruton takes them on!!!

    Bruton has no political skills, he has economic skills. He is very like Garrett in that sense. Put him on an election tour to Cork and Cavan and Carlow and he will look like a spare prick ....and will lose the election.

    I'd love to hear him field questions on Reps V and on the Water Framework Directive and septic tanks while he does his whistle stop in Caltra.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 511 ✭✭✭Smiley Burnett


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Bruton has no political skills, he has economic skills. He is very like Garrett in that sense. Put him on an election tour to Cork and Cavan and Carlow and he will look like a spare prick ....and will lose the election.

    I'd love to hear him field questions on Reps V and on the Water Framework Directive and septic tanks while he does his whistle stop in Caltra.

    no political skills??? that gave me a laugh!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    You may well laugh out the other side of your arse if Richard ever steps off that bus in Clones and tries to spin the magical third seat in Cavan/Monaghan out of the locals...and we all know Labour won't get it.

    Bruton has a limited appeal, mostly inside the M50. He evidently has no idea how to win the war there which is where FG are weakest. Therefore he has to win it outside the M50. Not a hope.

    I doubt if Veradkar ever leaves Dublin at all, not enough TV studios around for him. Neither Bruton or Veradkar has ever visited Galway on a political matter Smiely and don't even bother posting unless you can prove otherwise.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,957 ✭✭✭Euro_Kraut


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Why ?

    I suppose some people don't really like Fine Gael. Probably those on the Left or hard core FFers. Either way it is not usual for people to object to political parties. FG scored 28% in the last poll. The means close to 3/4 quarters of voters are not supporters of FG and it hardly surprising they are enjoying the spectacle of the party having a open argument with itself. I know I also find political squabbles like this amusing regardless of what party it happens in.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Election maths as distinct from opinion polls are _peculiar_ in Ireland. Way it is.

    28% of the vote in a 5 seater is generally two seats , if all constituencies were 5 seaters then that would be 40% of seats. In a 4 seater it is one seat only of course :)

    I doubt Labours ability to field a credible candidate in many 3 or 4 seater constituencies where they have no real presence, Galway East where Gilmore comes from is one such. Therefore his poll results will oft amount to nowt IMO. And yet 40% of the vote will not get him 3 seats in Galway West where Labour has a seat and candidates to run with Michael D.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭IrishTonyO


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Election maths as distinct from opinion polls are _peculiar_ in Ireland. Way it is.

    28% of the vote in a 5 seater is generally two seats , if all constituencies were 5 seaters then that would be 40% of seats. In a 4 seater it is one seat only of course :)

    I doubt Labours ability to field a credible candidate in many 3 or 4 seater constituencies where they have no real presence, Galway East where Gilmore comes from is one such. Therefore his poll results will oft amount to nowt IMO. And yet 40% of the vote will not get him 3 seats in Galway West where Labour has a seat and candidates to run with Michael D.

    What's Labour got to do with this thread?


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