MMA League Galway Round 2 Results

mark.leonard

Another awesome day in Galway at the second round of the League. Despite losing a lot of teens to exams there were still over 90 competitors getting stuck in at the Kingfisher Sports Hall.
A record number of finishes at this event, you could see that none of the fighters were willing to accept a draw and everyone worked really hard to finish.
As always there are a number of people without whom the event couldn't have happened -
First and foremost all the competitors that made the trip to Galway for the event, from Counties as far flung as Donegal, Dublin, Derry, Cork, Limerick Wexford, Waterford and a multitude of others.
The referees for calling it straight down the middle all day Dan, Tim and Paul. Being a League ref is a thankless task to be sure, and the guys deserve hefty kudos for doing as good a job as they did.
Ollie, Sean, Ruth, Tom and Dave for keeping the event running so smoothly and getting us out in record time.
Xtravision for sponsoring Fight of the Day and FightLord for their continued support.

Winner of Fight of the Day and a copy each of UFC Undisputed 2010 courtesy of Xtravision:
Kris Flynn of Husaria in Ennis and Martin Grant from Evolve
Martin's game was accepted on his behalf by team mate Michael O'Connor.

Without further ado, here are the results!

Ring 1

0 Darren Keenan - Evolve vs. saman kamali - Fighting Fit Rookie 65kg Flyweight Draw
1 Brian Cavlan - SCRATCH AND STITCH vs. Stephen Fagan - Kokoro Martial Arts Rookie 85kg Middleweight Stephen Fagan Guillotine
2 Sean Davitt - Total Submission Fighting vs. Ciaran Kearney - Lucan MMA Rookie 80kg Welterweight Sean Davitt Arm Bar
3 Noel Anderson - Evolve vs. Cathal Donnelly - Bracka Mafia MMA Rookie 60kg Strawweight Draw
4 Mark Kennedy - UL Judo vs. stephen mcdonnell - Lucan MMA Rookie 65kg Flyweight stephen mcdonnell Guillotine
5 Liam Kelly - MAS-F vs. Philip Maher - Total Submission Fighting Rookie 85kg Middleweight Philip Maher Guillotine
6 Jason Mc Donagh - Evolve vs. Jamie Jones - castlerea karate Rookie 80kg Welterweight Jamie Jones TKO
7 Cathal Donnelly - Bracka Mafia MMA vs. Noel Anderson - Evolve Rookie 60kg Strawweight Noel Anderson Injury
8 Kevin Costello - UL Judo vs. Darren Keenan - Evolve Rookie 65kg Flyweight Draw
9 Patrick Mc Bride - Rilion Gracie Ireland vs. Ernestas Pagirys - Lucan MMA Rookie 85kg Middleweight Draw
10 Alan Walsh - Dragon Lair vs. Mark Hurley - Rebel MMA Rookie 80kg Welterweight Alan Walsh S. Hold
11 Mark Kennedy - UL Judo vs. saman kamali - Fighting Fit Rookie 65kg Flyweight saman kamali Guillotine
12 David Dunne - Evolve vs. Brian Cavlan - SCRATCH AND STITCH Rookie 85kg Middleweight David Dunne
13 David Mullen - Independant vs. Michael Skrajny - Wexford Thunderbolt Rookie 80kg Welterweight David Mullen Arm Bar
14 Kevin Costello - UL Judo vs. stephen mcdonnell - Lucan MMA Rookie 65kg Flyweight Kevin Costello Arm Bar
15 Shane Donaghey - Evolve vs. Stephen Fagan - Kokoro Martial Arts Rookie 85kg Middleweight Shane Donaghey Rear Naked Choke
16 Mick Donovan - Rebel MMA vs. Gary Jennings - Point Blank Gym Rookie 80kg Welterweight Mick Donovan Arm Bar
17 Liam Kelly - MAS-F vs. Patrick Mc Bride - Rilion Gracie Ireland Rookie 85kg Middleweight Draw
18 Colin Flanagan - Pankration Kickboxing Academy vs. Barry Lavin - tmaa Rookie 80kg Welterweight Colin Flanagan TKO
19 David Dunne - Evolve vs. Ernestas Pagirys - Lucan MMA Rookie 85kg Middleweight David Dunne Injury
20 Jarek Bujnowski - Warriors vs. Colin Flanagan - Pankration Kickboxing Academy Rookie 80kg Welterweight Jarek Bujnowski Arm Bar
21 Philip Maher - Total Submission Fighting vs. Shane Donaghey - Evolve Rookie 85kg Middleweight Philip Maher Arm Bar
22 Ryan Flanagan - Pankration Kickboxing Academy vs. Gary Jennings - Point Blank Gym Rookie 80kg Welterweight Draw
23 Sean Davitt - Total Submission Fighting vs. Jarek Bujnowski - Warriors Rookie 80kg Welterweight Draw
24 Jason Mc Donagh - Evolve vs. Alan Walsh - Dragon Lair Rookie 80kg Welterweight Draw
25 Jamie Jones - castlerea karate vs. Ryan Flanagan - Pankration Kickboxing Academy Rookie 80kg Welterweight Draw
26 David Mullen - Independant vs. Ciaran Kearney - Lucan MMA Rookie 80kg Welterweight David Mullen Injury
27 Mick Donovan - Rebel MMA vs. Michael Skrajny - Wexford Thunderbolt Rookie 80kg Welterweight Michael Skrajny Scarf Hold Keylock
28 Mark Hurley - Rebel MMA vs. Barry Lavin - tmaa Rookie 80kg Welterweight Mark Hurley Injury


Ring 2

0 Brendan O Shea - Midleton Fight Academy vs. Philip Wade - Wexford MMA Rookie 70kg Lightweight Draw
1 Lukasz Skrajny - Wexford Thunderbolt vs. Henry Fadipe - Lucan MMA 85kg Middleweight Lukasz Skrajny Arm Bar
2 Denis Dalton - Strange Wolves vs. Anthony Elders - tmaa Rookie 95kg Light Heavyweight Anthony Elders DQ
3 Vilmars Erenbergs - Warriors vs. Konrad Iwanowski - Primal MMA Rookie 95kg+ Heavyweight Konrad Iwanowski DQ
4 Fionnan Rowan - Cill Dara MMA vs. David Mc Cormack - Lucan MMA Teen 65kg Flyweight Fionnan Rowan Arm Bar
5 Connor Mc Kenna - Evolve vs. Rian Mcnulty - Fighting Fit Rookie 70kg Lightweight Connor Mc Kenna DQ
6 Henry Fadipe - Lucan MMA vs. Lukasz Skrajny - Wexford Thunderbolt 85kg Middleweight Lukasz Skrajny DQ
7 Ivan Corrigan - Fighting Fit vs. Darren Conroy - Point Blank Gym Rookie 95kg Light Heavyweight Ivan Corrigan Guillotine
8 John Hegarty - Evolve vs. Przemyslaw Szczupak - Combat Sports Center Rookie 95kg+ Heavyweight Draw
9 Stephen Barcoe - Dragon Lair vs. Eric Pigott - Spartan MMA Northside Teen 65kg Flyweight Eric Pigott Kimura
10 Darren Cotter - Rebel MMA vs. Dave Hannan - Pankration Kickboxing Academy Rookie 70kg Lightweight Draw
11 Denis Dalton - Strange Wolves vs. Darren Conroy - Point Blank Gym Rookie 95kg Light Heavyweight Denis Dalton Guillotine
12 Vladimir Ragan - BJJ Athy vs. Artym Nikitin - Lucan MMA Rookie 95kg+ Heavyweight Vladimir Ragan Rear Naked Choke
13 Fionnan Rowan - Cill Dara MMA vs. Stephen Barcoe - Dragon Lair Teen 65kg Flyweight Draw
14 Damien O`hea - C.I.T MMA vs. Michael O Connor - Evolve Rookie 70kg Lightweight Draw
15 Ivan Corrigan - Fighting Fit vs. Anthony Elders - tmaa Rookie 95kg Light Heavyweight Ivan Corrigan TKO
16 Jaroslav Stanoci - BJJ Athy vs. Paul O Kearney - Lucan MMA Rookie 95kg+ Heavyweight Jaroslav Stanoci DQ
17 David Mc Cormack - Lucan MMA vs. Eric Pigott - Spartan MMA Northside Teen 65kg Flyweight Eric Pigott Triangle
18 Tony Keane - Waterford MMA vs. Lukasz Staszynski - Warriors Rookie 70kg Lightweight Lukasz Staszynski Arm Bar
19 Vilmars Erenbergs - Warriors vs. John Hegarty - Evolve Rookie 95kg+ Heavyweight Vilmars Erenbergs Arm Bar
20 Aziz Tali - Lucan MMA vs. Connor Mc Kenna - Evolve Rookie 70kg Lightweight Connor Mc Kenna DQ
21 Konrad Iwanowski - Primal MMA vs. Paul O Kearney - Lucan MMA Rookie 95kg+ Heavyweight Draw
22 Brendan O Shea - Midleton Fight Academy vs. Damien O`hea - C.I.T MMA Rookie 70kg Lightweight Damien O`hea DQ
23 Vladimir Ragan - BJJ Athy vs. Przemyslaw Szczupak - Combat Sports Center Rookie 95kg+ Heavyweight Vladimir Ragan Rear Naked Choke
24 Philip Wade - Wexford MMA vs. Rian Mcnulty - Fighting Fit Rookie 70kg Lightweight Rian Mcnulty Guillotine
25 Jaroslav Stanoci - BJJ Athy vs. Artym Nikitin - Lucan MMA Rookie 95kg+ Heavyweight Jaroslav Stanoci Arm Bar
26 Darren Cotter - Rebel MMA vs. Michael O Connor - Evolve Rookie 70kg Lightweight Draw
27 Tony Keane - Waterford MMA vs. Aziz Tali - Lucan MMA Rookie 70kg Lightweight Tony Keane Arm Bar
28 Lukasz Staszynski - Warriors vs. Dave Hannan - Pankration Kickboxing Academy Rookie 70kg Lightweight Dave Hannan Guillotine

Ring 3

0 Ben Bernie - Total Submission Fighting vs. Patrick McConigley - Rilion Gracie Ireland Rookie 75kg Super Lightweight Draw
1 ROBERTAS ZILAITIS - ROYAL COMBAT CLUB vs. derek conway - Strange Wolves 75kg Super Lightweight ROBERTAS ZILAITIS Leg lock
2 Seamus mc loughlin - SCRATCH AND STITCH vs. Dominic Oryszczak - Point Blank Gym Rookie 90kg Super Middleweight Dominic Oryszczak Arm Bar
3 David Reilly - SBG vs. Keith Homan - Lucan MMA 95kg Light Heavyweight Draw
4 Karl Maher - Lucan MMA vs. Ryan Curtis - Spartan MMA Northside Teen 55kg Bantamweight Ryan Curtis Arm Bar
5 Adam Doran - Lucan MMA vs. John Bradley - Evolve Teen 60kg Strawweight John Bradley Arm Bar
6 Kyle Comerford - Dragon Lair vs. Conor Mc Nevin - Point Blank Gym Teen 70kg Lightweight Draw
7 Niall McCarthy - Pedro Bessa Fight Team vs. John Marrey - SBG Rookie 75kg Super Lightweight Draw
8 derek conway - Strange Wolves vs. ROBERTAS ZILAITIS - ROYAL COMBAT CLUB 75kg Super Lightweight ROBERTAS ZILAITIS Leg lock
9 Shane O Callaghan - Pedro Bessa Fight Team vs. John Mulcahy - Spartan MMA Northside Rookie 90kg Super Middleweight Shane O Callaghan Triangle
10 Keith Homan - Lucan MMA vs. Lukasz Sowa - Combat Sports Centre 95kg Light Heavyweight Lukasz Sowa NC
11 Donnacha Ó hAinmhire - Point Blank Gym vs. Niall Nash - Evolve Teen 55kg Bantamweight Niall Nash Arm Bar
12 Sean Mcdermott - Spartan MMA Northside vs. David Gilligan - Lucan MMA Teen 60kg Strawweight Sean Mcdermott Arm Bar
13 Thomas Ruane - Point Blank Gym vs. David Kiarie - tmaa Teen 70kg Lightweight Draw
14 martin grant - Evolve vs. Danny Brown - Combat Sports Centre Rookie 75kg Super Lightweight martin grant Triangle
15 Seamus mc loughlin - SCRATCH AND STITCH vs. Shane O Callaghan - Pedro Bessa Fight Team Rookie 90kg Super Middleweight Seamus mc loughlin DQ
16 David Reilly - SBG vs. Lukasz Sowa - Combat Sports Centre 95kg Light Heavyweight Draw
17 Karl Maher - Lucan MMA vs. Donnacha Ó hAinmhire - Point Blank Gym Teen 55kg Bantamweight Karl Maher Guillotine
18 Adam Doran - Lucan MMA vs. Sean Mcdermott - Spartan MMA Northside Teen 60kg Strawweight Sean Mcdermott Triangle
19 Andy White - SBG vs. Paul Cherubini - Lucan MMA Teen 70kg Lightweight Andy White Arm Bar
20 Mark Duncan - Rebel MMA vs. Dean Smullen - Warriors Rookie 75kg Super Lightweight Dean Smullen Americana
21 John Mulcahy - Spartan MMA Northside vs. Dominic Oryszczak - Point Blank Gym Rookie 90kg Super Middleweight Dominic Oryszczak Rear Naked Choke
22 Ryan Curtis - Spartan MMA Northside vs. Niall Nash - Evolve Teen 55kg Bantamweight Ryan Curtis Arm Bar
23 John Bradley - Evolve vs. David Gilligan - Lucan MMA Teen 60kg Strawweight John Bradley Rear Naked Choke
24 Darragh F. Kirwan - tmaa vs. Kyle Comerford - Dragon Lair Teen 70kg Lightweight Darragh F. Kirwan DQ
25 Kris Flynn - Warriors vs. martin grant - Evolve Rookie 75kg Super Lightweight Draw
26 Conor Mc Nevin - Point Blank Gym vs. David Kiarie - tmaa Teen 70kg Lightweight Draw
27 Ben Bernie - Total Submission Fighting vs. Dean Smullen - Warriors Rookie 75kg Super Lightweight Draw
28 Thomas Ruane - Point Blank Gym vs. Andy White - SBG Teen 70kg Lightweight Andy White Arm Bar
29 Niall McCarthy - Pedro Bessa Fight Team vs. Kris Flynn - Warriors Rookie 75kg Super Lightweight Draw
30 Paul Cherubini - Lucan MMA vs. Darragh F. Kirwan - tmaa Teen 70kg Lightweight Darragh F. Kirwan Arm Bar
31 Patrick McConigley - Rilion Gracie Ireland vs. Danny Brown - Combat Sports Centre Rookie 75kg Super Lightweight Patrick McConigley Arm Bar
32 Mark Duncan - Rebel MMA vs. John Marrey - SBG Rookie 75kg Super Lightweight John Marrey DQ

Jason McCabe

The second most popular way to win is DQ.

I still think the head shot rule is policed too strictly.

pablohoney87

Just one point mark.
On ring 3 fight 17 it was karl maher won thet one by guillitine.

mark.leonard

pablohoney87 wrote: »

Just one point mark.
On ring 3 fight 17 it was karl maher won thet one by guillitine.

Thanks pablo, I will correct it now.

Tallaght Martial Arts Academy

Jason McCabe wrote: »

The second most popular way to win is DQ.

I still think the head shot rule is policed too strictly.

I think it has has to be strict as if it is not then where do u draw the line. You will have more participants and coaches complaining about similar head shots from different matches yet only one got a DQ.

I believe it has to be strict as it makes the referees job easier and so he does not have to say that head shot is ok but your one was not.
and makes fighter safety the priority for the league this way.

This is just my opinion.

pablohoney87

Tallaght Martial Arts Academy wrote: »

I think it has has to be strict as if it is not then where do u draw the line. You will have more participants and coaches complaining about similar head shots from different matches yet only one got a DQ.

I believe it has to be strict as it makes the referees job easier and so he does not have to say that head shot is ok but your one was not.
and makes fighter safety the priority for the league this way.

This is just my opinion.

One problem that arises is when another fighter ducks into a shot that would have been fair. I think its also worth noting that on ring 1 where mark was reffing for most of the day there was no dq's due to a headshot. I dunno what conversation mark has with the refs before hand but consistency was the worst problem. In one fight a guy was dq's for making minamal contact (pulled his punch and actually hit the shoulder) when his oppponent ducked into a punch but on one the last fight of the day(i think) i counted 6 head shots 4 of which were quite strong punches and from one fighter. 2 from the other fighter one of which was more of an attempt to clinch and the second fighter was dq'd.
All depends on the refs though.

Tim_Murphy

Sometimes guys reach out in an attempt to punch and it can look like a punch when really it isn't. When guys are doing that I usually shot 'watch your target' but I wouldn't DQ as they are not really punches.

I DQ'd two fighters. One was for a blatant punch to the face, not particularly hard but that doesn't matter. The guy acknowledged what he has done straight away and he knew he was doing to get DQ'd for it. It's tough on both guys but these rules are in place for a reason. The second DQ was when both guys were trying in vain for ankle locks and one of them kicked out and hit the other in the head. Again no question about that, that's a straight DQ.

mark.leonard

pablohoney87 wrote: »

One problem that arises is when another fighter ducks into a shot that would have been fair. I think its also worth noting that on ring 1 where mark was reffing for most of the day there was no dq's due to a headshot.

I have had more than my fair share of controversial DQ's believe me, I have also had fighters DQ'ed for head shots. I wouldn't read too much into a statistical anomaly on my ring. If each ring had 4 hundred fights I am very sure the number of DQs would have been much the same in each.

I dunno what conversation mark has with the refs before hand but consistency was the worst problem. In one fight a guy was dq's for making minamal contact (pulled his punch and actually hit the shoulder) when his oppponent ducked into a punch but on one the last fight of the day(i think) i counted 6 head shots 4 of which were quite strong punches and from one fighter. 2 from the other fighter one of which was more of an attempt to clinch and the second fighter was dq'd.
All depends on the refs though.

One of the things I love about my day job (software) is that I can model various scenarios and a program will make the same decision, given that scenario, time and time again. It would make for a bad conversationalist, but its very good as a decision engine.

People on the other hand are good conversationalists and don't make exactly the same decision in similar situations time after time because they factor in a human element that machines can't. This makes them better suited for the job of refereeing than robots, with the possible exception of Lt. Cmdr. Data.

I am sure I don't need to point out that while every organisation in the world tries to enforce consistent refereeing, it is impossible to do so. Never had a problem with a call a soccer ref made against your team? I doubt it.

All of us refereeing on Saturday were working from the same blueprint and did our very best to be fair and impartial. I am 100% satisfied with the referees and how they did this. Some people are unhappy with some decisions that were made. This comes as no shock to me, I would be more shocked if there were no complaints, it would indicate referees were not doing their job.
Every sporting event has its share of controversial or unpopular calls, good referees are the ones who can make them and move on.

I have started playing tag rugby in recent weeks and see a tragic disparity week to week between different referees, so far we have been on the wrong side of calls made by these refs. Maybe next week we will be on the right side. Sure its disappointing, but life goes on just the same.

I will continue to make improvements in how the League is run, event to event, my effort to make it safe and fun for everyone involved never wanes.

Do not think that anyone's complaints fall on deaf ears, that is not the case, but please spare a though for how hard a job it is to referee at an event like this, the refs did a great job on Saturday, people should step back and ask themselves how they would have done in their shoes.

mrfighter128

great event here the link to the dragons lair fights!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGT_Oijj3Os
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D4skEVhstQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1gbosQFgDQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbnQH8VeWB0

pablohoney87

Im not really complaining. And like in soccer/boxing/rugby i have no problem with the rule set or how you guys choose to enforce it but like in soccer inconsistancy between refs or even from the same refs will lead to frustration.
All in all was a good day with some great fights and im sure all the fighters learnt some lessons about their own game.
I was again extremely impressed with the teens division.
Thanks mark.
See you in august:P

mrfighter128

number 24 ring 1 is a mistake jason mc donagh did not turn up to the fight

Jason McCabe

Yeah I do agree with a lot of what is said to be honest or I would not make a 7 hour return journey in one day to go.

I just think that there is something wrong when so many people lose by DQ.

It's a terrible way to win and a frustrating way to loose.


It's not my shout though I'm just voicing my opinion.

I feel the same about C class head shots on the ground in some ways. I see people get DQ'ed far to easy on some shows (IMO)

Especially when its more of a glance when someone ducks rather than a proper punch up the beak.

Daniel2oo9

Was talkin to the coach,Im fighting in august

Daniel2oo9

Is the next one on in August or september?

cardio,shoot me

you could google it you know...

Daniel2oo9

cardio,shoot me wrote: »

you could google it you know...

I know but some people were saying it was august.Beacause im Fighting

Plastikman_eire

Daniel2oo9 wrote: »

I know but some people were saying it was august.Beacause im Fighting

You need to get your weight down in that case lad, because you will be at a massive disadvantage fighting other guys in the HW division otherwise. You'll find that most guys will wieght the same as you, only its muscle. AT 5ft 9 you need to be aiming for LW or WW.

Daniel2oo9

Plastikman_eire wrote: »

You need to get your weight down in that case lad, because you will be at a massive disadvantage fighting other guys in the HW division otherwise. You'll find that most guys will wieght the same as you, only its muscle. AT 5ft 9 you need to be aiming for LW or WW.

Ya but i will be fighting in the teen division and theres no way i could lose that much in 3months

Professey Chin

Isn't the highest teen weight division currently 70kg?

Daniel2oo9

Ultimate Chin wrote: »

Isn't the highest teen weight division currently 70kg?

Your ****TING ME:mad:

unknown13

Daniel2oo9 wrote: »

Your ****TING ME:mad:

There is a minority of teens that are above 75KG.

Daniel2oo9

Thers no way i could get down to 75 from 94

unknown13

Daniel2oo9 wrote: »

Thers no way i could get down to 75 from 94

I was saying 75KG as a figure and I don't know if there is a 75KG division in the MMA league.

Daniel2oo9

Id hate if i cant fight:mad:

mark.leonard

Daniel2oo9 wrote: »

Id hate if i cant fight:mad:

I answered your pm Daniel stop hijacking this thread now please

Jason McCabe

Daniel, you should get a job asking questions.

Daniel2oo9

Jason McCabe wrote: »

Daniel, you should get a job asking questions.

I know.

Jason McCabe

Daniel2oo9 wrote: »

I know.

the witty retort should have been

Should I?

mark.leonard

mrfighter128 wrote: »

number 24 ring 1 is a mistake jason mc donagh did not turn up to the fight

Changed it to Alan Walsh via NC

LavaLamp

did these guys fight eachother twice on the day:

1 ROBERTAS ZILAITIS - ROYAL COMBAT CLUB vs. derek conway - Strange Wolves 75kg Super Lightweight ROBERTAS ZILAITIS Leg lock

only asking as the same fight with same result is showing twice, just with their names the other way round

mark.leonard

LavaLamp wrote: »

did these guys fight eachother twice on the day:

1 ROBERTAS ZILAITIS - ROYAL COMBAT CLUB vs. derek conway - Strange Wolves 75kg Super Lightweight ROBERTAS ZILAITIS Leg lock

only asking as the same fight with same result is showing twice, just with their names the other way round

Yes, when there are only two in a division they fight each other twice so both get a full quota of league matches.

LavaLamp

bummer! but fair I guess - thanks for clarifying

Mouthalmighty

Next League is sept 11 i believe.

I feel refs did a good job under circumstances of some crowd (that will remain nameless) screaming at every decision. League is no headshot fullstop. Accidental or otherwise. I can see it now a 14yr old going home with a broken jaw from a "proper" headshot. The liveline brigade would have a field day. It'd nearly end mma in the country.

Bres

[/quote] I feel refs did a good job under circumstances of some crowd (that will remain nameless) screaming at every decision.

It's so easy to slander a refs decision, and although i wasn't there i think everyone can appreciate the refs at the league were voluteers and were done it out of pure love for the sport. it's a tough job!

[/quote] League is no headshot fullstop. Accidental or otherwise. I can see it now a 14yr old going home with a broken jaw from a "proper" headshot.

Your dead right, it's no head shots full stop. But it's not just for physical injury reasons, accidents do happen. But you need people, not just teens, to be able to participate at an amateur level that states no head shots and not be worried about getting hit in the face. As i said accidents do happen but the shock can loose the fight for the injured party, as it can mentaly throw them off their game completly.

I'm not 100% on what rules were implemented on the day but i remember Mark in previously leagues stating that if you duck into a punch it's not the attacker at fault, but that again is down to the judgement of the ref.

Well done to all the lads that competed! and everyone who gave a dig out!

Bres

man im such a noob not being able to quote properly...
How embarasing !