Vrt to taken over by NCT company??

rodneys

anyone hear anything about this? apparently the NCT company are to take over the VRT side of car import from the government in some way to prevent the Government from getting into trouble with the EU !!
Maybe why their website wont let me check vrt calculator

Victor

All I've heard is that they may be doing some of the inspections to verify the exact make & model.

manta mad

MORE ON THE VRT & NCT :mad:

how much is this gonna cost ???????????
& its not gonna be a road worthy test ????
so you still will have to bring it back to be tested !!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:


A CAR tax loophole costing the state an estimated €100m a year will be closed off in the coming weeks.

Motorists hoping to import cheap used cars will now be required to put the vehicle through a "pre-registration" test to assess the Vehicle Registration Tax (VRT) due, the Irish Independent has learned.

This is a change to the current system where some cars can escape formal examination and which, it is believed, has been exploited by some motorists.

Motor industry sources claim that the owners of hundreds of imported cars are paying less VRT than they should -- or none at all.

Section 104 of the recent Finance Act 2010 introduced a provision which allowed the Revenue Commissioners to appoint a "competent person" to carry out the inspections on their behalf.

A revenue spokeswoman confirmed that the National Car Test Service -- run by private firm Applus+ -- will begin the process from the middle of this year. It is believed the regulations will come into force at the end of this month.

"Additionally, all new vehicles registered outside the dealership network will also have to undergo a pre-registration examination," she said. She pointed out that this was not a road-worthiness or safety test.

Currently VRT on all cars is calculated as a percentage -- up to 36pc -- of the "open market selling price" rather than the price the car is bought at.

Imported car owners claim they are being too heavily penalised as often they end up paying the same amount of tax as on Irish cars -- even though they are bought for a fraction of the price.

Sources said that as many as one-in-six imported car owners have failed to reveal their car's full details in order to claim that the vehicles were less valuable than is actually the case.

Last week 69 cars were seized in Co Donegal in just two days for being non-VRT compliant and Revenue said this type of "blitz" operation will continue. And the Revenue's annual report for last year revealed that almost 2,000 cars were seized in 2009.

Alan Nolan, director general of the Society of the Irish Motor Industry (SIMI), said that the changes were positive. He believes the Exchequer is losing up to €100m a year as a result of the current system.

"The aim is to ensure that all cars entering the country are registered correctly and the correct VRT is collected," he said.

"It's not the ordinary, honest people who go to the UK and buy a car, it's unscrupulous people at the edges of the trade who are putting legitimate motor businesses and future buyers at a disadvantage."

to sum this up ...
its a back door for the goverment again to take more money from the motorist ... :mad:

Slidey

manta mad wrote: »

Alan Nolan, director general of the Society of the Irish Motor Industry (SIMI), said that the changes were positive. He believes the Exchequer is losing up to €100m a year as a result of the current system.

F**king shower of dicks in the SIMI.

Worried about keeping their own nest lined as usual

Dades

So does that mean the end of VRT estimates before you actually commit to buying a car and bringing it home? That would be a bad thing.

Obviously the aim of this is to catch out importers of modern cars who incorrectly declare features etc. Will it really make an impact on someone bringing in some 80's car that, although 'classic' to us, is cheap nevertheless?

Also, assuming the 30 year rolling exemption is still in place surely the test for €50 cars will only involve verifying a car is 30 years old to "pass". What's more I also assume once this test is passed you don't need to visit the VRT office (in one of their inconvenient locations during their narrow opening hours) and can actually get sorted easier?

The key here is what kind of valuations (and what kind of appeals) are given.

bijapos

I seems to me to be that the NCT (or whoever) will be checking up the validity of the info that the importer give them on the car. i.e that it is a 2.5 and not a 1.8, that the car has far more extras than what the importer claims and son on.

I have no idea as to whether this will involve them valuing the car. If a private company does value a car then the system is open to a lot of abuse.

More importantly, how much will this cost. €10 i could live with but if its more then its wrong. It should be free but it won't be.

If it involves the Motor Tax office getting their facts right then I would be in favour of it. Last year I imported a campervan, have sold it since but under make they have written "motorhome" (not Fiat) and model is "LHD", not Dethleffs. Pointed it out to the VRT office, they were not interested. I pointed it out to the guy I sold it to and I fear for him if he is ever stopped in Germany, Switzerland or Austria. It was also on this forum some time ago that R4's are written down as "Laguna". Try to explain that to the French police.

Slidey

Off topic but the new style log books are in my experience mostly wrong.

If the drone in the tax office does not know the info they either put in '0' or '5555555'.

Bugs the hell outta me

carchaeologist

Dades wrote: »

Also, assuming the 30 year rolling exemption is still in place surely the test for €50 cars will only involve verifying a car is 30 years old to "pass".

I wonder will it just be NCT exempt vehicles that will be on the 50eu rate now that the NCT/applus+ crowd do it?

A revenue spokeswoman confirmed that the National Car Test Service -- run by private firm Applus+ -- will begin the process from the middle of this year. It is believed the regulations will come into force at the end of this month

NEVCC

At our last club meeting there was some confusion on the rolling 30 year rule for classic cars.
I asked revenue for clarification on classic status for VRT see response below.

Question

Hi
I am inquiring on behalf of the North East Vintage Car Club into current VRT & TAX for vintage/classic cars.
There is some confusion as to changes in the status of classic cars.
Can you please clarify it the rolling 30 years is still in place or is it now only cars pre 01/01/1980 that qualify as classic?
Thanks in advance
Éamonn


Response

Eamonn
For VRT purposes a car which is over 30 years old is classed as vintage and has a flat rate of €50 VRT. These vehicles can get a registration number in the ZV series.
A classic car is one that is less that 30 years old but is considered to be collectable - possibly not being made anymore/fairly rare etc.

The VRT on these cars is based on the co2 emissions although for some of the older cars the co2 emissions would not be available and the VRT would be charged at the highest rate of 36%..

The condition of the car is also taken into account. We would normally have three values to base the VRT on ie. Pristine/showroom condition, good condition or poor condition.

These cars cannot be given a registration number in the ZV series
I hope this if of assistance to you.

Regards

Mary Daly
mdaly@revenue.ie

atlantean

manta mad wrote: »

A CAR tax loophole costing the state an estimated €100m a year will be closed off in the coming weeks.

What is this Loophole they talk of? If it is people getting cars VRT'd with more extras that they are declaring than surely that is a failure of the VRO inspection rather than a Loophole!

Dades

NEVCC wrote: »

At our last club meeting there was some confusion on the rolling 30 year rule for classic cars.
I asked revenue for clarification on classic status for VRT see response below.

That really just confirms the current status. I guess the concern is now with the proposed changes to the way VRT is going to be handled that they make take the opportunity to go the way they did for the NCT exemption.

atlantean wrote: »

What is this Loophole they talk of? If it is people getting cars VRT'd with more extras that they are declaring than surely that is a failure of the VRO inspection rather than a Loophole!

Which is why they're now outsourcing their inspection, I'd imagine.

Some people got lucky, and some got shafted by valuations given by VRO officials over the years. Perhaps this will offer some consistency? I'm open-minded about it still.

spooky donkey

they really go out of their way to make driving a costly and complicated expierence.
The country is on the verge of going down the toilet and they are going to try claw back money any way they can.
Im sure this pre VRT inspection is going to cost the same as an NCT.

People should be able to go within the EU and get their goods cheaper if they want.
Im sure they will try to implement some kinda VRT system to cross border shopping next.
We wil be trying to decide how much that big box of washing powder is worth next.