Thailand

NoseyMike2010

It sickens me about the amount of guys who go to Thailand for underage sex. And whats worse is there are or 7 guys I work with and they have no shame telling everyone what they have got up to. Some even have videos or what they get up to in their room.

Thought??

Jake LeMotta

I dunno about underage sex, obviously pure exploitation and I don't know of anyone personally who ever engaged in it or certainly related to me their experiences.

However, there are plenty of blokes who go for the regular prostitutes.
Are you sure this is not what your referring to, as oppose to child molestation.

NoseyMike2010

Its more the fact you have guys 50++ going off with girls who are 16+ !!!!!!!!!!!!

Jake LeMotta

NoseyMike2010 wrote: »

Its more the fact you have guys 50++ going off with girls who are 16+ !!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh that.
Well, 16+ is actually... well, I won't say it.
Its certainly unacceptable by Irish standards, but we went crazy with political correctness once the celtic tiger hit.
Amazing how a little wealth can go to peoples heads..
But not to change the thread subject.

The other way to look at it is..

A girl who spends a few days with some old bloke can make more money for herself and her family than she could potentially make in several months of regular labor considering the thai wage.

Sure it's not entirely ethical or whatever - but we could preach ethics all day. The fact of the matter is, alot of the time, they just don't fit with the reality of the situation - the people gotta eat.

A girl of 16+ going with the old boy so she can feed herself and her family is certainly better than a family renting a child out to be used and abused by perverts.

The Corinthian

NoseyMike2010 wrote: »

Its more the fact you have guys 50++ going off with girls who are 16+ !!!!!!!!!!!!

What upsets you more? The age gap or that they are using prostitutes?

Would a 16+ year old with a 50++ year old boyfriend upset you more than a 25 year old with a 25 year old prostitute?

If it is the former, then you have to ask yourself if (according to the law of the country in question) someone of legal age to consent should have the freedom to do so. Are you suggesting that they should have freedom to have sex with someone who is no more than a few years younger? Should someone who is twenty be allowed to have sex with a 55 year old? If not what is the limit? Indeed, if that offends you, why not bar homosexual sex (regardless of relative ages) too?

Or is prostitution, regardless of age, the major issue?

I ask because legally your original post is probably incorrect, in that they are not underage, AFAIK.

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Nevyn

If they have film of themselves or other's having sex with a teen who is under the age of consent then it can be considered child pron.

The Corinthian

donegalfella wrote: »

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Thaedydal wrote: »

If they have film of themselves or other's having sex with a teen who is under the age of consent then it can be considered child pron.

Well, the OP's work mates are on very thin legal ground if the women in question were indeed under 18 years of age.

johnnyskeleton

NoseyMike2010 wrote: »

It sickens me about the amount of guys who go to Thailand for underage sex. And whats worse is there are or 7 guys I work with and they have no shame telling everyone what they have got up to. Some even have videos or what they get up to in their room.

Thought??

If they have videos of them engaging in sexual activity with a minor you should contact your local garda station immediately.

The law as regards child pornography relates to someone under 17 years of age, although it is enough that they are depicted to be under 17 years of age.

Wolfe Tone

I imagine it would be next to impossible to tell their age beyond any doubt.

donegalfella

donegalfella wrote: »

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There is a lot of hype about underage prostitution in Thailand. It does still happen as it would in any country with such a low income level for so many families, but its mostly the reputation it gained from decades ago when it first gained the reputation of a sex destination. The Thai police and other institutions have a zero tolerance policy towards such actions, and while the age of consent is quite low, the police don't hesitate to deal quite harshly with anyone that pursues such entertainment.

When I was in Thailand, i didn't really see too many girls in the main sex/tourist areas who appeared to be that young. Admittedly its difficult to gauge the actual age of Asian women, but I never saw the advertisement for especially young girls or boys while I was over there. Sure, the advertisement for girls/boys that were 18 but not younger. I'd guess that its like most other countries where its more underground than the other prostitution rings. More of a specialist are, and less likely to attract the average punter.

Lastly to the OP, guys have a tendency to brag and even to lie about what they've gotten up to in Thailand or other such destinations. I've caught out a few guys who claimed to have done the business but after some careful questioning they admitted they didn't have the courage to go through with it. They were boasting to gain rep from their friends.

At this stage, I take what I hear from people about these things with a pinch of salt. There are a lot of bull****ters out there.

MUSSOLINI

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I imagine it would be next to impossible to tell their age beyond any doubt.

Thailand does a national age card which most people carry due to the police checking for ID in many areas. So you could ask to see their ID to gain some measure of trust in their age. Admittedly as with any form of ID, it can be faked, but from what I understand from friends who live there the practice of faking the card isn't as common as it would in many other countries. There's no real need since the age limit is lower for most things that people want to do.

But you're right.. beyond any doubt? But then you could say that about any country out there.

The Corinthian

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

The law as regards child pornography relates to someone under 17 years of age

Is it not 18? Probably depends on the jurisdiction. The law has become so convoluted on this subject that prostitution is legal for 16-year olds in some countries, but if they are photographed, it is considered child pornography as the legal age for that is higher.

Ireland has (or had until recently) something like that - the age of consent to marry is/was lower than that for sex, leading to a situation where you can/could legally marry but not legally consummate it.

although it is enough that they are depicted to be under 17 years of age.

That is because the victims are often never identified and so age is never verified, which would lead to almost all child pornography prosecutions failing. Of course the flip side it that a pornographic photo of a 25-year old in a school uniform could be considered child pornography too, but I've never heard of any case where something like this has been perused.

johnnyskeleton

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I imagine it would be next to impossible to tell their age beyond any doubt.

It's enough that they are depicted as under 17.

johnnyskeleton

The Corinthian wrote: »

Is it not 18? Probably depends on the jurisdiction. The law has become so convoluted on this subject that prostitution is legal for 16-year olds in some countries, but if they are photographed, it is considered child pornography as the legal age for that is higher.

17 in Ireland, and when possession is the offence it doesn't really matter where the pornography was created.

The Corinthian wrote: »

Ireland has (or had until recently) something like that - the age of consent to marry is/was lower than that for sex, leading to a situation where you can/could legally marry but not legally consummate it.

It would be interesting to see if a spouse could be compelled to give evidence against their spouse in such circumstances. It seems that they could be.

The Corinthian wrote: »

That is because the victims are often never identified and so age is never verified, which would lead to almost all child pornography prosecutions failing. Of course the flip side it that a pornographic photo of a 25-year old in a school uniform could be considered child pornography too, but I've never heard of any case where something like this has been perused.

Or a digitally created picture made to resemble a child.

The Corinthian

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

It's enough that they are depicted as under 17.

Why? I ask this because the age of consent at around 16 - 18 is a pretty modern thing. Up until the nineteenth century you were probably married long before that - girls married as young as 12, boys around 14. Consent was based more on sexual maturity - the ability to procreate - and so puberty was the dividing line.

I've no idea why this changed historically.

The Corinthian

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

17 in Ireland, and when possession is the offence it doesn't really matter where the pornography was created.

I was talking about the contradictions in law in other countries.

It would be interesting to see if a spouse could be compelled to give evidence against their spouse in such circumstances. It seems that they could be.

I don't think anyone can be compelled to give evidence, although sometimes refusing to will allow a court to rule accordingly.

Or a digitally created picture made to resemble a child.

As objectionable as child abuse/porn is, such a definition is a little creepy as it essentially creates a precedent for a moral crime. Then again, we have (had) lots of laws against things that consenting adults may want to practice.

johnnyskeleton

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

It's enough that they are depicted as under 17.

Why? When it comes to Asian women the culture itself promotes the emphasis on youth. In China the typical attitude to beauty is that a woman should be cute rather than any other aspect. The same is carried in most other asian countries, and women well into their 30's will spent fortunes in buying clothes and cosmetics to make themselves appear as young as possible. Here in Ireland, the emphasis is on being young but not too young (i.e. 18-20), however when it comes to Asia the cultures themselves promote the viewpoint that beauty is enhanced at a younger age.

My last Gf was Chinese, aged 28 and looked 17-18. She was well established in her career and had given up the opportunity to have children so that she could focus on her work. But she also didn't seek marriage and children because she wished to appear physically younger for a longer period. It increased her selling point in business. And on a personal level, while she was rather mature in some areas, she was extremely immature & girlish in others. The culture itself encourages such development.

In the West its obvious when video's, ad's, porn or such wish to depict a much younger age. When it comes though to asians, the line is much more difficult to detect. Frankly, the problem I find is that westerners seek to apply their own cultural filters towards a very different culture. Asian women age perceptively different to western women.

Bottle_of_Smoke

I don't believe for a second you know 7 guys who brag about having sex with underage girls. If you even said you knew one I'd be sceptical.

SO be honest - is it really a problem you have with prostitution?

NoseyMike2010

7 sex tourists!!!

strobe

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

I don't believe for a second you know 7 guys who brag about having sex with underage girls. If you even said you knew one I'd be sceptical.

SO be honest - is it really a problem you have with prostitution?

I think the thing is the OP's use of the word underage. He says 16+, and I can very well believe he knows some guys who would say something along the lines of "You should have seen the girl I was with, 18 years old with an amazing body".

I think Mike's main problem is with the idea of middle aged men travelling to a foreign country for the purposes of "sex tourism". So you are probably right though about his probelm being with prostitution.

It took me over two years in Australia dating Asian girls, and a year living in China, before I became capable of guessing Asian girls age brackets (within 3-4 years) with a fair amount of accuracy.... Most westerners don't understand the difference in dress, features, etc which suggest the actual ages of Asian women, and frankly they get it wrong.

I can still remember chatting up a Chinese woman on a bus in Brisbane (I assumed she was in her early 20's), went for a date with her later, and found out that she was 33, divorced and had two children.

My point is that when it comes to Asia and Asian women its extremely difficult to gauge ages accurately.