What Happened?

cbrjohnthou

Here's a quare one for yez.

Last year myself and a friend were out for a stalk in a wood we shoot, mostly fallow, anyhow we came across two does and my friend took a shot at one which he killed outright. Both does dropped to our amazement, we waited a while before approaching and when we did both animals were lying on their sides, Dead or so we thought. I was showing him how to panch the deer when the other doe sprang to its feet and trotted off seemingly unharmed.

Has anyone any suggestions as to why she appeared dead.
She was def unconcious for about 10 mins or so.
both animals were about 5 feet apart when he shot.
they were standing away from eachother not one behind the other.

Hibrion

Maybe dear think they will be safe if they play dead... you know, like the way some foolish people claim bears will leave you alone if you play dead. Although, it seems to have worked for the deer.;):D

Tackleberrywho

shank1 wrote: »

Here's a quare one for yez.

Last year myself and a friend were out for a stalk in a wood we shoot, mostly fallow, anyhow we came across two does and my friend took a shot at one which he killed outright. Both does dropped to our amazement, we waited a while before approaching and when we did both animals were lying on their sides, Dead or so we thought. I was showing him how to panch the deer when the other doe sprang to its feet and trotted off seemingly unharmed.

Has anyone any suggestions as to why she appeared dead.
She was def unconcious for about 10 mins or so.
both animals were about 5 feet apart when he shot.
they were standing away from eachother not one behind the other.

If you did not fatally wound the animal the Hydrostatic shock has a concussive effect, if the brain gets a shake it powers off.

Same thing happens if Mike Tyson belts you.
Buyt unless the deer was hit in Vital organs it may not be dead.
Thats why follow up shot is ready to be applied.

I also do not run straight up from behind, I carefully approach from the flank as if it attempts to get up you let another shot off into the boiler house. And in with the Knife to bleed.

Can i ask did he Or you go for head/neck or heart Lung?

cbrjohnthou

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

If you did not fatally wound the animal the Hydrostatic shock has a concussive effect, if the brain gets a shake it powers off.

Same thing happens if Mike Tyson belts you.
Buyt unless the deer was hit in Vital organs it may not be dead.
Thats why follow up shot is ready to be applied.

I also do not run straight up from behind, I carefully approach from the flank as if it attempts to get up you let another shot off into the boiler house. And in with the Knife to bleed.

Can i ask did he Or you go for head/neck or heart Lung?

He shot the Deer in the neck, it was stone dead, we were in the middle of gutting it when the other took off.Now this is why I think its strange, if the second deer was hit by the bullet that passed through the first one it would have had to be hit pretty hard to be knocked unconcious for so long, but It just popped up and took off as if it was never hit.Not a drop of blood where it lay either.
Forgot to mention the shot was taken at about 50 yards. Strangest thing I ever saw.

cbrjohnthou

Hibrion wrote: »

Maybe dear think they will be safe if they play dead... you know, like the way some foolish people claim bears will leave you alone if you play dead. Although, it seems to have worked for the deer.;):D

Now that was one intelligent deer:D:D:D

deerhunter1

Hibrion wrote: »

Maybe dear think they will be safe if they play dead... you know, like the way some foolish people claim bears will leave you alone if you play dead. Although, it seems to have worked for the deer.;):D

She was playing Possum:D

jwshooter

he hit it some where .

you did not kill it i take it .
if he necked the principle animal the subsequent one was possibly hit some where in the head .

cbrjohnthou

jwshooter wrote: »

he hit it some where .

you did not kill it i take it .
if he necked the principle animal the subsequent one was possibly hit some where in the head .

But if she was struck that hard to knock her out for 10 mins surely she would have been bleeding.

Tackleberrywho

shank1 wrote: »

But if she was struck that hard to knock her out for 10 mins surely she would have been bleeding.

She may have been, my opinion would be round or shot placement could be improved.

Not a good thing to have happen, wounding so be avoided if at all possible. If it does happen, follow up shot.

Dusty87

shank1 wrote: »

But if she was struck that hard to knock her out for 10 mins surely she would have been bleeding.

Not neccessarily. Wierd but think about it. Easy to be knocked out without bleeding. A punch to the chin in the right spot (not even too hard) will knock a person. Whatever way the chin moves it tightens the skin, thus cutting the oxygen to the brain for a split section, and you dropping. You can get back up straight away, or not, depending on the blow. As in a boxer falling but gettin straight back up.

A bullet would be a different story actually i presume. Unless as JW says it hit the head, an area with not much meat.
Or maybe im talking through my arse

Dusty87

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

She may have been, my opinion would be round or shot placement could be improved.

Not a good thing to have happen, wounding so be avoided if at all possible. If it does happen, follow up shot.

But Tack, he killed the deer he was aiming at. It isnt his shot placement. They were 5m apart.

cbrjohnthou

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

She may have been, my opinion would be round or shot placement could be improved.

Not a good thing to have happen, wounding so be avoided if at all possible. If it does happen, follow up shot.

What are ya on about there Tac, what does shot placement have to do with it. there was only one shot fired at the first doe and the second Doe went down also. There was no follow up shot because the guns wre on the ground empty while I showed my friend how to gut a deer. I know I should have checked the eye of the deer for some reaction to make sure she was dead but unfortunately we didn't. We took it for granted it was dead since it didn't move at all for ten mins.

cbrjohnthou

Dusty87 wrote: »

Not neccessarily. Wierd but think about it. Easy to be knocked out without bleeding. A punch to the chin in the right spot (not even too hard) will knock a person. Whatever way the chin moves it tightens the skin, thus cutting the oxygen to the brain for a split section, and you dropping. You can get back up straight away, or not, depending on the blow. As in a boxer falling but gettin straight back up.

A bullet would be a different story actually i presume. Unless as JW says it hit the head, an area with not much meat.
Or maybe im talking through my arse

No I don't think your talking ****e there mate! Maybe there was very minimal bleeding, but we couldn't find any blood. Strange as Hell.

Tackleberrywho

Dusty87 wrote: »

Not neccessarily. Wierd but think about it. Easy to be knocked out without bleeding. A punch to the chin in the right spot (not even too hard) will knock a person. Whatever way the chin moves it tightens the skin, thus cutting the oxygen to the brain for a split section, and you dropping. You can get back up straight away, or not, depending on the blow. As in a boxer falling but gettin straight back up.

A bullet would be a different story actually i presume. Unless as JW says it hit the head, an area with not much meat.
Or maybe im talking through my arse

very few nerve endngs in the scalp, venous bleeding (veins)
The blunt force trauma if hit the top of head may have stunned through brain shake

I shot a deer years ago with a sellor and bellot 6.5 round. Hit spine, broke vertebrae and dropped deer, after a few moments later while I had laid doen rifle had bowie out next thing he got to his feet and ran, my mate dropped him with a follow up shot. When i butchered him out i was amazed that an animal with such an injury could walk never mind run.

I never used sellor and bellot again as groups were dreadful and i never ran in with a knife without having rifle slung and reloaded (safety on)

jwshooter

shank1 wrote: »

But if she was struck that hard to knock her out for 10 mins surely she would have been bleeding.

il tell you a story .

i was stalking thicket crop one morning ,the dog was indicating deer a head ,i had sat for half a hour noting moved .

i started to walk through the trees along a ride line ,my bitch moved me up a line of trees ,one step every 5 minutes .
she was almost vibrating on point walking like a cat ,me the same .the rifle was in the ready position .

she stopped and turned her head looking into trees about 5 feet high ,i could not see a thing ,every now and again she would look out the corner of her eye and look back .knowing she is not wrong i waited .

i remember well kneeling down to take the weight of myself and give her a rub ,when kneeling i spotted the tip of a antler .Feck the stag was asleep not 20 feet away .

i put my bitch sitting and moved on my knees away from him to a spot where i could see his ears .

i head shot him with my 243 .he never kicked .i went through my routine ,made the rifle safe and put it to one side where the dog would not knock it over .

i drew my buck and as i opened it ,the stag had a large intake of air and came to ,me standing over him .
he was a 8 point hill stag ,i grabbed a antler and plunged my knife into his lower neck/chest ,it was a full on few minutes after that .

when i skinned the head off ,the bullet had grazed his skull between his antlers .

there was not a kick in this lad for some minutes even the dog had a pull on his neck .
possibly one of my most exciting mornings stalking and the luckiest .


i gave the head to a friend i play squash with ,he is still in his hall .

Tackleberrywho

shank1 wrote: »

What are ya on about there Tac, what does shot placement have to do with it. there was only one shot fired at the first doe and the second Doe went down also. There was no follow up shot because the guns wre on the ground empty while I showed my friend how to gut a deer. I know I should have checked the eye of the deer for some reaction to make sure she was dead but unfortunately we didn't. We took it for granted it was dead since it didn't move at all for ten mins.

Sorry I mis read your first post, I did not cop you had only fired 1 shot

I guy I know many years ago shot 2 deer with a core lokt 6.5x55 one neck one head.

JW's story I can relate to, I won't go into details but a knief had to be used as a rifle was not close to hand.

If you are on yer own wait a while or walk in with rifle at shoulder ready for a second shot IMHO

Best way is to shoot in a team of 2, but not often practical.

I had a very similar story to JW back in 2003, I had to use a knife as I had left my trifle 20 yards behind me and when he began to get up I did the farmer in me and pinned him down. I got a nice kick in the face but I have my trusty bowie and it is razor sharp thanks to my butchers steel so I never go hunting without it.

A deers neck with hair IMHO needs a good knife to cut through it quick into the main artery. Then game over.
Since then I gave up on body shots.

I also would be conscious of exit wounds, thats why I prefer BT rounds, my personal opinion, many prefer soft points.
But BT 99% of the time in my experience mush and do not exit or minimal exit

cbrjohnthou

jwshooter wrote: »

il tell you a story .

i was stalking thicket crop one morning ,the dog was indicating deer a head ,i had sat for half a hour noting moved .

i started to walk through the trees along a ride line ,my bitch moved me up a line of trees ,one step every 5 minutes .
she was almost vibrating on point walking like a cat ,me the same .the rifle was in the ready position .

she stopped and turned her head looking into trees about 5 feet high ,i could not see a thing ,every now and again she would look out the corner of her eye and look back .knowing she is not wrong i waited .

i remember well kneeling down to take the weight of myself and give her a rub ,when kneeling i spotted the tip of a antler .Feck the stag was asleep not 20 feet away .

i put my bitch sitting and moved on my knees away from him to a spot where i could see his ears .

i head shot him with my 243 .he never kicked .i went through my routine ,made the rifle safe and put it to one side where the dog would not knock it over .

i drew my buck and as i opened it ,the stag had a large intake of air and came to ,me standing over him .
he was a 8 point hill stag ,i grabbed a antler and plunged my knife into his lower neck/chest ,it was a full on few minutes after that .

when i skinned the head off ,the bullet had grazed his skull between his antlers .

there was not a kick in this lad for some minutes even the dog had a pull on his neck .
possibly one of my most exciting mornings stalking and the luckiest .


i gave the head to a friend i play squash with ,he is still in his hall .

That sounds like a savage dog JW, great story. You were lucky you didn't get split open. I heard of a guy who jumped down into a drain to get at a stag he shot,he was standing over the deer, one leg each side, he lifted its head to cut its throath and the stag drove the antler up into his groin tearing him badly and damaging one of his nuts, HE [EMAIL="WON@T"]WONT[/EMAIL] DO THAT AGAIN:D

deeksofdoom

jwshooter wrote: »

il tell you a story .

i was stalking thicket crop one morning ,the dog was indicating deer a head ,i had sat for half a hour noting moved .

i started to walk through the trees along a ride line ,my bitch moved me up a line of trees ,one step every 5 minutes .
she was almost vibrating on point walking like a cat ,me the same .the rifle was in the ready position .

she stopped and turned her head looking into trees about 5 feet high ,i could not see a thing ,every now and again she would look out the corner of her eye and look back .knowing she is not wrong i waited .

i remember well kneeling down to take the weight of myself and give her a rub ,when kneeling i spotted the tip of a antler .Feck the stag was asleep not 20 feet away .

i put my bitch sitting and moved on my knees away from him to a spot where i could see his ears .

i head shot him with my 243 .he never kicked .i went through my routine ,made the rifle safe and put it to one side where the dog would not knock it over .

i drew my buck and as i opened it ,the stag had a large intake of air and came to ,me standing over him .
he was a 8 point hill stag ,i grabbed a antler and plunged my knife into his lower neck/chest ,it was a full on few minutes after that .

when i skinned the head off ,the bullet had grazed his skull between his antlers .

there was not a kick in this lad for some minutes even the dog had a pull on his neck .
possibly one of my most exciting mornings stalking and the luckiest .


i gave the head to a friend i play squash with ,he is still in his hall .

Jebus christ JW you could have easily lost a ball doing that! still haven't brought my bitch out shooting bunnies must try it soon.

jwshooter

deeksofdoom wrote: »

Jebus christ JW you could have easily lost a ball doing that! still haven't brought my bitch out shooting bunnies must try it soon.

that bitch is your dogs granny, she is still flying 10 this year old .

i could write a book about that dog .

i held on to the antlers and put my weight on the stag rodeo comes to mind

Tackleberrywho

jwshooter wrote: »

that bitch is your dogs granny, she is still flying 10 this year old .

i could write a book about that dog .

i held on to the antlers and put my weight on the stag rodeo comes to mind

Sculling cattle is deffo a must for all stalkers on the off chance that one is required
Great experience

jwshooter

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Sculling cattle is deffo a must for all stalkers on the off chance that one is required
Great experience

done it many a time .

Grizzly 45

jwshooter wrote: »

il tell you a story .

i

i drew my buck and as i opened it ,the stag had a large intake of air and came to ,me standing over him .
he was a 8 point hill stag ,i grabbed a antler and plunged my knife into his lower neck/chest ,it was a full on few minutes after that .

when i skinned the head off ,the bullet had grazed his skull between his antlers .

there was not a kick in this lad for some minutes even the dog had a pull on his neck .
possibly one of my most exciting mornings stalking and the luckiest

.


And you could have sorted that out instantly,quickly,and humanely,wih a nice 45 ACP or .357 magnum compact PISTOL!!!!:rolleyes: A situation like that is why I argued for months that a stalker should be allowed a CF pistol.[Much to JWs disagreement if I remember correctly.:D:D]
So one day if a stalker is killed in a situation like described,we can safley say Dermot Aherne will be at fault,and he will have blood on his ministerial hands.

Anyways,getting back to the non shot doe.My theory is the slug penetrated the first doe and dropped it no problem.It had enough energy still to either hit the other doe in a vital area of the skull or spine. Stunning it but not penetrating it.Deer and cattle are remarkably tough animals especially in the head area,and it was knocked unconcious by the shot.Rule here; use enough gun,heart/spine shots are the only way to go,and never assume your animal is dead until you have confirmed it. Many EX lion,and cape buffalo hunters would tell you this;but seeing they are mostly 6ft under because of the assumption their quarry was dead.They cant.

bunny shooter

jwshooter wrote: »

done it many a time .

+1 dirty rotten job :eek:

jwshooter

not a hope of using a pistol ,i was standing over him , if the knife was closed i would have not had time to open it .

my dog would have held him at bay for me to finish up.


i cant say in all the years iv been stalking and all the deer iv culled/stalked with friends/clients a pistol would have been the only way i could have dispatched a ainmal .

Tackleberrywho

jwshooter wrote: »

not a hope of using a pistol ,i was standing over him , if the knife was closed i would have not had time to open it .

my dog would have held him at bay for me to finish up.


i cant say in all the years iv been stalking and all the deer iv culled/stalked with friends/clients a pistol would have been the only way i could have dispatched a ainmal .

Coillte for example forbid carrying a Pistol on a letting

jwshooter

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Coillte for example forbid carrying a Pistol on a letting

im not going through this crap again tac

Tackleberrywho

jwshooter wrote: »

im not going through this crap again tac

I thought I was backing up your point?
Did you not say carrying a pistol was not required?

deeksofdoom

jwshooter wrote: »

not a hope of using a pistol ,i was standing over him , if the knife was closed i would have not had time to open it .

my dog would have held him at bay for me to finish up.


i cant say in all the years iv been stalking and all the deer iv culled/stalked with friends/clients a pistol would have been the only way i could have dispatched a ainmal .

A pistol would have been useless and besides you already had the knife in your hand.

Even you had a pistol what would you have done, dropped the knife drew the pistol, cocked it, safety off, aimed it and fired it. In the meantime the deer would have <injured you in an improbable manner>......... .357 magnum my hole!

Grizzly 45

QUOTE=jwshooter;66362870]not a hope of using a pistol ,i was standing over him , if the knife was closed i would have not had time to open it [/QUOTE].

You would have been in a right state then!!:eek:

my dog would have held him at bay for me to finish up.

With all due respect to your dog and yourself.If he was a stag as you describe,and unless your dog was somthing in the Giant class like a bull mastiff or Dogo Argentino,that stag would have shook him off in 10 seconds flat.Have a look at some of the old pics of hunting stags with a pack of hounds holding a stag at bay.[Operative word being a pack]
It looks like rough biz for the dogs.And thats with an exhausted stag.That fellah was woken up with a headache from your bullet and was obviously fighting fit.Unless your lady was quick enough to get him by the neck and close off his windpipe and hold on it would be a nasty story for you playing at bull rider.

i cant say in all the years iv been stalking and all the deer iv culled/stalked with friends/clients a pistol would have been the only way i could have dispatched a ainmal

We will just have to agree to disagree on this one.I personally,would rather have a pistol to administer an effective killshot at close range,than be trying to muck about with a knife with a potentially dangerous animal,that may or may not be alive and now even more dangerous.
Knife work is bloody and dangerous at best,and sooner or later somone will be killed by a stag they thought is dead,when they were messing around with a knife.That my 2cents on this.

Grizzly 45

deeksofdoom wrote: »

A pistol would have been useless and besides you already had the knife in your hand.

Even you had a pistol what would you have done, dropped the knife drew the pistol, cocked it, safety off, aimed it and fired it. In the meantime the deer would have ......... .357 magnum my hole!

Well shows how much thought YOU put into anything. You dont go in like Rambo waving a knife around !!Or in these cases go in with an ASSumption the animal is dead and start fiddling around with a pocket knife stanbding over it.
You go in with the pistol in your hand and ready for the stag to move or to jump off.Obviously you didnt read another pst here how some other wannabe Rambo was gutted by a stag he taught was dead.But seeing that you have obviously killed many stags we will bow to your superior wisdom.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Oh BTW post reported deekofdoom for abusive langauge.

Tackleberrywho

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Well shows how much thought YOU put into anything. You dont go in like Rambo waving a knife around !!You go in with the pistol in your hand and ready for the stag to move or to jump off.Obviously you didnt read another pst here how some other wannabe Rambo was gutted by a stag he taught was dead.But seeing that you have obviously killed many stags we will bow to your superior wisdom.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Oh BTW post reported Geekofdoom for abusive langasuge.

I would consider a pistol in wet and mucky conditions just as dangerous as a knife if not more.
I have only had one deer that need a knife used in 9 years in my own name and in several before that gillie for others.

If I was allowed carry one, I may have considered it. But I reckon it would frighten more farmers and it is not permitted so no point talking pie in the sky.

A good Bowie type knife Buck/Cold steel/ or some of the Spanish knives are quite good.

jwshooter

deeksofdoom wrote: »

A pistol would have been useless and besides you already had the knife in your hand.

Even you had a pistol what would you have done, dropped the knife drew the pistol, cocked it, safety off, aimed it and fired it. In the meantime the deer would have <injured you badly>......... .357 magnum my hole!

right u are deek .


the guys pushing for pistols for the dispatch of deer ,shoot feck all deer to talk about in the first place .

try bouncing a tennis ball up and down and shooting it ,not easy

Grizzly 45

Tac,
Why would you consider a pistol more dangerous in wet conditions?? A rifle is just if not more so dangerous?How would you scare the farmers,cant you put it in a rucksack or vest pocket or other safe container other than a dropleg holster?
Unfortuneatly it is not permitted,and very stupidly so IMO,as it is not giving somone the proper tools to do a job safly.
The knives are fine,but you have to use them,and from reading this thread,all I can say is I am amazed that there are not more fatalities or serious injuries every year with Irish stalkers by the described carry ons.:eek:

Grizzly 45

jwshooter wrote: »

right u are deek .


the guys pushing for pistols for the dispatch of deer ,shoot feck all deer to talk about in the first place .

try bouncing a tennis ball up and down and shooting it ,not easy

From the man who went out to shoot a goat with a .22 pistol:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
And "expert" on all things deer hunting.Even down to knowing how many deer everyone shoots PA.

deeksofdoom

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Well shows how much thought YOU put into anything. You dont go in like Rambo waving a knife around !!Or in these cases go in with an ASSumption the animal is dead and start fiddling around with a pocket knife stanbding over it.
You go in with the pistol in your hand and ready for the stag to move or to jump off.Obviously you didnt read another pst here how some other wannabe Rambo was gutted by a stag he taught was dead.But seeing that you have obviously killed many stags we will bow to your superior wisdom.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Oh BTW post reported deekofdoom for abusive langauge.

First off I've never shot a deer, second I have used a pistol. I would consider them to be a hell of a lot more dangerous to use on a bucking target than a knife.

I didn't realise you were so easily offended by my colourful use of the English language, squealing to the mods coz someone said a curse........... tut, tut,tut....... type of stuff that goes on in a school yard!

Tackleberrywho

jwshooter wrote: »

right u are deek .


the guys pushing for pistols for the dispatch of deer ,shoot feck all deer to talk about in the first place .

try bouncing a tennis ball up and down and shooting it ,not easy

i concur, try shooting a fallen animal with a captive bolt pistol, not easy either.
I worked briefly for a knacker. Not a nice job and not easy.

What knife would you reccomend JW I currently have a spanish bowie style knife.

I find it very good. Are you a Buck or cold steal man?

jwshooter

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

From the man who went out to shoot a goat with a .22 pistol:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
And "expert" on all things deer hunting.Even down to knowing how many deer everyone shoots PA.

yes and i did say it was a total waist of time .hard to get a head shot, from that experience i can say first hand a pistol for stalking is a excuse by Muppet's to hold on to there's .

if you want a pistol join a club ,shoot competitions or regularly in a club .

your banging on about the same ole crap , its very easy to see who has experience of there sport .

i know the good dog men , Fowler's , pheasant ,pigeon ,rabbit and deer ,hunting men by the quality of there posts as we know the google men and bullsxxters by theres

Grizzly 45

deeksofdoom wrote: »

First off I've never shot a deer, second I have used a pistol. I would consider them to be a hell of a lot more dangerous to use on a bucking target than a knife.

I didn't realise you were so easily offended by my colourful use of the English language, squealing to the mods coz someone said a curse........... tut, tut,tut.

Well that goes to show you are then totally ignorant of this subject,and you are therefore qualified to opine on it??Would you like to quit digging yourself deeper into your self dug hole??? You "have used a pistol" at what??But obviously like 99.9% of the experts here who stalk deer have no clue on how to use it effectivly on a large,strong and dangerous injured animal.Shure,next time I need a bull put down on the farm,I'd love to see these laddies putting it down with their knives.:rolleyes::rolleyes:.No reason then that our vets need modified pistols then is there?
No I am not offended by your colorful langauge,just if it is directed at me by somone who has obviously NO qualification to speak on the subject and admits to this fact.

Tackleberrywho

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Tac,
Why would you consider a pistol more dangerous in wet conditions?? A rifle is just if not more so dangerous?How would you scare the farmers,cant you put it in a rucksack or vest pocket or other safe container other than a dropleg holster?
Unfortuneatly it is not permitted,and very stupidly so IMO,as it is not giving somone the proper tools to do a job safly.
The knives are fine,but you have to use them,and from reading this thread,all I can say is I am amazed that there are not more fatalities or serious injuries every year with Irish stalkers by the described carry ons.:eek:

Too many things to go wrong with a pistol if you slipped n the drain from OP's post

A knife although not perfect does the job, a kill shot eliminates this. But not all shots are kill shots. hence stalking rifles are designed to have a magazine

'm not arguing for the sake Grizz.
I'm just saying the more things you have the more complications you have. A knife is muck simple than a pistol as the user and deer are the only ones to worry about, a pistol brings general public into the eqn as if you slip in drain it may go off.

The main point is this rarely happens if only once in a lifetime .
A good knife and a good rifle are required when going stalking. And good wellies for Drain work!

Grizzly 45

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QUOTE=jwshooter;66363445]yes and i did say it was a total waist of time .hard to get a head shot, from that experience i can say first hand a pistol for stalking is a excuse by Muppet's to hold on to there's .

Yeah,and from your description of what you did,you shouldnt be even qualified to hold a firearm in any shape or form let alone be a stalker.:mad::mad:

your banging on about the same ole crap , its very easy to see who has experience of there sport .

Yeah,well what the peasent doesnt know he wont eat ..

i know the good dog men , Fowler's , pheasant ,pigeon ,rabbit and deer ,hunting men by the quality of there posts as we know the google men and bullsxxters by theres

Yeah,yeah,Mr expert all right..Couldnt even dispatch a goat properly where he personally fuked up the shot.

jwshooter

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

i concur, try shooting a fallen animal with a captive bolt pistol, not easy either.
I worked briefly for a knacker. Not a nice job and not easy.

What knife would you reccomend JW I currently have a spanish bowie style knife.

I find it very good. Are you a Buck or cold steal man?

buck 110 ,had a reblade by buck last year 10 dollars including post

Sparks

And I'm closing this thread right there. Lads, this is why some folks are getting annoyed at the forum - the last dozen or so posts were nothing to do with answering the original poster's question and everything about trying to prove to another anonymous internet poster that your genitals were larger than theirs. Give your opinion, fine. Back it up, even better. Demand that everyone else acknowledge you as the acclaimed expert and withdraw their opinions on any topic - not on.

Rovi

Lads, will ye ever put down the handbags and draw a few deep breaths before leaping on a passing high horse or jumping to a conclusion?
Yes, this forum is about hunting, so there's a good bit of leeway on the use of 'robust' language, but PLEASE bear in mind that the forum is PUBLICLY VIEWABLE by EVERYONE; it is NOT the same as chatting to a few mates out on the hill or in the pub.

Also, please re-read your freshly composed retort before hitting the 'Submit Reply' button, and try to see how it might be interpreted by someone not intimately involved, or even to the person you're replying to.
Stuff that sounds funny or light-hearted in your mind often reads very differently.

The bit in the charter about being civil to each other applies throughout.


Added:
Flippin' heck, I'm too slow again. :rolleyes:
I'll leave this here anyway, I think it's worth having on the record.