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2nd Republic within sight?

  • 11-06-2010 10:39AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭


    If it is OK to socialise the debt run up by the Banking/Building boom-bust why not let the Socialist Parties run the country? They couldn't do any worse!

    This seems to be the thinking of the electorate at the moment.

    The Labour Party stood aside during the formation of this State in 1919; Now it's time they stepped up to the plate.

    What are the chances that Labour, Sinn Fein and Joe Higgins' Socialist Party getting an overall majority in the next Election?

    I think the average Joe is quite afraid of the young guns in Fine Gael, especially Varadkar; He is too right wing by half in the current circumstances.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    They couldn't do any worse!

    Really?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Offy


    Its not my thinking.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    While I've started to think that socialism would be a lot less destructive than the rampant greedy capitalism that we've had for the past 10 years, I would have concerns about most of Ireland's "left" parties.

    Labour : are too tied to the unions to be left in power alone....although to be fair, I might re-think that when you consider that it was Ahern's shower that implemented the ridiculous benchmarking

    SF : well, I've made my views known on them before, and they're the only party that give FF a run for their money in the "feck that I'm outa here" stakes should they get into power

    I don't know enough about "Joe Higgins' Socialist Party", but if a party has someone's name in the title in order to refer to it, then I'd be worried, because there's echoes there of "Bertie's Team", and look where that got us.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,207 ✭✭✭meditraitor


    Its time someone other than FG or FF took control of this country, but I doubt(sadly) the Poll will be reflected in the next election.
    FF/FG are just too good at the mud slinging ethically lacking side of modern irish politics to let Labour get a foot in.
    Just look at the pro FF/FG poster here, same old rhethoric as their handlers, "labour in bed with unions, Labour no policies, labour eat children....."
    The dung they spew gets swallowed because they articulate it well, look behind it and its obvious vacuous nonsense from civil war politic family members that has them brainwashed.....

    None of them has a clue otherwise they wouldnt have swallowed FG/FF nonsense,

    may not be true:D


    2c


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    FF/FG are just too good at the mud slinging.....
    Just look at the pro FF/FG poster here, same old rhethoric as their handlers,

    Apparently you're not adverse to having a go at the aul' mud-slinging yourself!

    I'm not "pro FF" by any stretch of the imagination.

    I'm currently considering FG or Labour or Independent, so I'm not "pro FG" either.

    And I've never had "a handler".
    look behind it and its obvious vacuous nonsense from civil war politic family members that has them brainwashed.....

    LMAO. Civil war politic family members were never a feature in this family, and never will be. So that's a "talking through your arse" style comment, quite frankly.
    may not be true:D

    Almost missed that because you'd practically hidden it in yellow. I can tell you for a fact that that statement itself is the only true one in your post.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭Sulmac


    I don't see why not, sure aren't the French on their Fifth Republic now. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Banned Account


    Joe Higgins' Socialist Party.

    People who don't work, won't know much about job creation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭T runner


    I would think a new constitution/republic should be on the cards at this stage.

    We need to have a look at the political structures in place.

    I believe important positions like minister for Finance should be chosen from expert fields and not from TDs.

    This would mean relieving senior civil servants of power.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,364 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    why not let the Socialist Parties run the country? They couldn't do any worse!

    CPI.png

    Soviet Socialistic Republic of Ireland

    :p

    what could possibly go wrong...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,207 ✭✭✭meditraitor


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Apparently you're not adverse to having a go at the aul' mud-slinging yourself!

    I'm not "pro FF" by any stretch of the imagination.

    I'm currently considering FG or Labour or Independent, so I'm not "pro FG" either.
    .

    ;) I get all that from your posts, what I dont get is why you think what I posted refers to you?

    Apart from your brief flirtation with FG you come across as quite an open minded guy,

    The point I was trying to make (badly again) was FG and FF have had their wicked way with our lovely country for 80 odd years and here we are with what is possibly 50 years of debt to burden the next generation with because of FF and to a lesser extent FG.

    I throw FG in because as majority opposition (have been for 80 years) they should have put up a better fight to stop the craziness.......

    We can all dream of a country with an ethical government but one thing that cannot be denied is that neither of these partys have or can provide it in all the years of power.......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭danbohan


    If it is OK to socialise the debt run up by the Banking/Building boom-bust why not let the Socialist Parties run the country? They couldn't do any worse!

    This seems to be the thinking of the electorate at the moment.

    The Labour Party stood aside during the formation of this State in 1919; Now it's time they stepped up to the plate.

    What are the chances that Labour, Sinn Fein and Joe Higgins' Socialist Party getting an overall majority in the next Election?

    I think the average Joe is quite afraid of the young guns in Fine Gael, especially Varadkar; He is too right wing by half in the current circumstances.[/QU






    yes that's exactly what this country needs , bring it on , will you ring the IMF or will i?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    ;) I get all that from your posts, what I dont get is why you think what I posted refers to you?

    Because aside from the OP I was the only possible target in this thread for the reference "Just look at the pro FF/FG poster here" ?
    Just look at the pro FF/FG poster here, same old rhethoric as their handlers,

    Sincere apologies if that "poster" was meant to be plural and "here" was meant to refer to boards in general, rather than this thread ! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,605 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    CPI.png

    Soviet Socialistic Republic of Ireland

    :p

    what could possibly go wrong...

    It was tried before

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerick_Soviet


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    What are the chances that Labour, Sinn Fein and Joe Higgins' Socialist Party getting an overall majority in the next Election?

    Whatever about Labour and The Joe Higgins crowd, I hope I'm not alone in not wanting SF anywhere near government.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 Mactíre


    It seems to me that what we are really missing is a government, whatever their political persuasion, that is accountable. For far too long the government has protected incompetent and corrupt politicians. We have had tribunals where we should have had criminal trials, we have had a Taoiseach who did not have a tax clearance cert and we now have a government who has impoverished the country for generations to come in order to save a bank that was the epitome of corruption and incompetence. They have lined their own pockets and protected their cronies at the expense of the weakest and most vulnerable members of our society. We should remember that today’s pensioners are the very people who paid the insane taxes and interest rates of the 1970’s and 80’s and now our government is making them pay again. Whatever this country is going to do to save itself it better be quick.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,223 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Brian Dobson: "So do you support the Croke Park agreement or not?"
    Eamonn Gilmore: "Well, well I agree that it's an agreement".

    Sums them up in my opinion, not willing to take a stance on anything unless it's obviously populist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,952 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


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    That's a ridiculous thing to say in all fairness. So Labour has nothing to say on the minimum wage, the low paid, the non unionised, ?????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭thebigcheese22


    T runner wrote: »
    I would think a new constitution/republic should be on the cards at this stage.

    We need to have a look at the political structures in place.

    I believe important positions like minister for Finance should be chosen from expert fields and not from TDs.

    This would mean relieving senior civil servants of power.

    That's why Eamon Gilmore has said that once in power, Labour will initiate a Constitutional Forum which will draw a new updated, modern constitution for the 21st century, one in which all facets of society will take part in drawing up, rather than the theocracy which was put in place by DeV when he caved in to the Catholic Church in 1937.
    This post has been deleted.

    In fairness, Greece's Socialist government inherited the fiscal mess as they were only elected last year and it was the previous right-wing government that burned the books. Not really aware of the situation with the other countries so can't really comment on them. Of course it would be my opinion that the neo-liberal no-holds-barred economic theory caused this global recession rather than socialist governments in a few European countries, but I'm sure a few will disagree with that :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


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    I have to say I have never, ever heard anyone in Labour say anything remotely like that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


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    Ah.....so you've got a crystal ball, then ?

    Must come in handy when you're gambling on people's livelihoods with all that money......

    You said that "Labour has nothing to say but [that]".

    Which means that if your prediction is wrong, you're wrong. And it also means that if they say anything else, you're wrong.

    That's a lot of trust in that crystal ball! :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭thebigcheese22


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    tinfoil-hat.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭Eliot Rosewater


    This post has been deleted.

    While I think this may be a bit of a throwaway comment, it does raise an interesting question. At the moment Labour aren't exactly pushing economically coherent policies; that is, I can't see the tax take they propose coming anywhere near the spending. So there is this giant blackhole that no one can really explain. The only logical explanation I can think of is higher taxes which will hurt the economy.

    Saying that, I do think Labour will support any private sector unionized workers, even if they are above minimum wage. Part of Gilmore's tactic is to court both sides. By not coming out strongly against the public sector pay cuts, he still wins the votes of the public service. By not coming out strongly in favour the public sector pay cuts, he wins the votes of the private sector.

    Votes are like little helium balloons floating in the air. The best way to catch them is to stand as high as you can, and that fence is so awfully high. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon



    The Labour Party stood aside during the formation of this State in 1919;

    Neither did the Green Party ...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


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    Donegal eh?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭thebigcheese22


    While I think this may be a bit of a throwaway comment, it does raise an interesting question. At the moment Labour aren't exactly pushing economically coherent policies; that is, I can't see the tax take they propose coming anywhere near the spending. So there is this giant blackhole that no one can really explain. The only logical explanation I can think of is higher taxes which will hurt the economy.

    Saying that, I do think Labour will support any private sector unionized workers, even if they are above minimum wage. Part of Gilmore's tactic is to court both sides. By not coming out strongly against the public sector pay cuts, he still wins the votes of the public service. By not coming out strongly in favour the public sector pay cuts, he wins the votes of the private sector.

    Votes are like little helium balloons floating in the air. The best way to catch them is to stand as high as you can, and that fence is so awfully high. :D

    If you'd take the time to look, there are in fact a great deal of coherent policies coming from the Labour Party at http://www.labour.ie/policy/ and they gave a fully costed Budget proposal which can be found here http://www.labour.ie/download/pdf/budgetpowerpoint.pdf. Please give it a read before blindly dismissing Labour's policies. They actually proposed greater savings of 5 billion euro, which would also be more equitable than the hatchet job that FF has done. Out of this, 1 billion would be spent on a jobs saving scheme - because jobs are the only way we'll get out of this recession.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭PomBear


    aidan24326 wrote: »
    Whatever about Labour and The Joe Higgins crowd, I hope I'm not alone in not wanting SF anywhere near government.

    Yawn.. another 'I don't SF with no specific reason post'


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