water in milk

whelan1

around this time last year we where plagued by the dairies for water in the milk , now admittedly in the winter i would let a few extra litres of water in:rolleyes: but at this time of year i barely have enough capacity for my milk never milk putting water in it and i am the one doing the washing so i am a bit peeved any one else get this trouble from them , incidently last year my neighbours where getting the same calls:p

kfk

Got a letter a few days back stating there was added water in the milk I supplied! Cant figure it out as I have not changed washing routine since February. Had the same trouble this time last year and the year before!

whelan1

i dont think they actually penalise but its a pain in the arse , i remember a few years ago i put the machine on washing and my phone rang i forgot to take the pipe out of the milk tank and i think i had 12% water:rolleyes: got charged then alright

The_Conductor

Water content can increase depending on the % dry weight being fed. If the difference is significant- its probably not this. What percentages are we talking about?

bbam

It's obviously seasonal but I've seen a split plate in a plate cooler causing real heartache for people...

whelan1

1.75%and 2%

LostCovey

smccarrick wrote: »

depending on the % dry weight being fed.

Hi smccarrick

I didn't understand this bit - what do you mean by "dry weight"? Surely milk has a very uniform percentage water regardless of diet?

LostCovey

LostCovey

bbam wrote: »

It's obviously seasonal but I've seen a split plate in a plate cooler causing real heartache for people...

I think this type of issue is the usual cause.

LostCovey

LostCovey

whelan1 wrote: »

now admittedly in the winter i would let a few extra litres of water in

...... extra litres? Does this mean over and above the usual?

Do many Irish dairy producers add water to milk in winter, or at any other time? Kind of undermines the campaign to get the retail trade to play fair, if dairy farmers are selling an adulterated product and passing it off as premium Irish milk to the end consumer. It also raises the question of what standard of water is being added - is it stored in open tanks? - is it chlorinated? does it contain bacteria?

Such a practice sounds incredibly short-sighted and arrogant to me I must say.

LostCovey

whelan1

how much water do the creamery add to it ?

LostCovey

whelan1 wrote: »

how much water do the creamery add to it ?

What are you saying???????

Irish farmers dilute the milk they sell with water AND Irish creameries do it too??????

There really is a problem with some people getting it into their heads that they are producing food for people who trust them, who may be ill or have a poor immune system. Trust is a fragile thing.

This sounds like outrageous fleecing of the poor well-meaning punter who buys a carton of Irish milk and thinks he/she is supporting an honest indigenous industry......apart from the risks of introducing water-borne pollutants and bacteria. God knows there is enough crap going into some water supplies. Putting water-borne bacteria into a nice growth medium like milk is a recipe for a disaster.

The next food scandal?

LostCovey

whelan1

LostCovey wrote: »

What are you saying???????

Irish farmers dilute the milk they sell with water AND Irish creameries do it too??????

There really is a problem with some people getting it into their heads that they are producing food for people who trust them, who may be ill or have a poor immune system. Trust is a fragile thing.

This sounds like outrageous fleecing of the poor well-meaning punter who buys a carton of Irish milk and thinks he/she is supporting an honest indigenous industry......apart from the risks of introducing water-borne pollutants and bacteria. God knows there is enough crap going into some water supplies. Putting water-borne bacteria into a nice growth medium like milk is a recipe for a disaster.

The next food scandal?

LostCovey

are you trying to start an arguement i just made a comment that i wouldnt be as diligent in the winter and never had a problem we are only talking a few litres here you are going way off the point i posted dearest . the point still stands why do we get notification in the summer months from the creamery ?

whelan1

tell me why the milk we pasteurise from our milk tank tastes so different to that we buy

cjpm

whelan1 wrote: »

tell me why the milk we pasteurise from our milk tank tastes so different to that we buy

Bought milk is homoginised (sp?) and also is pasteurised differently. Milk pasteurised at home takes longer to heat and cool and thus taste slightly differently.

vincenzolorenzo

Why would you be pasteurising your own milk?

leg wax

vincenzolorenzo wrote: »

Why would you be pasteurising your own milk?

so you dont have to buy it back at inflated prices also its safer for young children

vincenzolorenzo

Safer schmafer! Many a family (myself included) grew up with milk straight from the tank. Sure it'd put hairs on your chest!

whelan1

i am just pasteurising it until the youngest one is a bit older . my ma did that too... but we had tb in the cows at that stage :eek: never did us any harm , saves a good bit on buying milk in the local shop

vincenzolorenzo

Ah yeah for really young kids you'd want to be a bit more careful alright. Good saving to be made over buying it alright. Plus its much nicer!

whelan1

yup nothing like it our kids hate the bought stuff:D

LostCovey

whelan1 wrote: »

yup nothing like it our kids hate the bought stuff:D

Of course they hate the bought stuff if they are watching their oul' fella pitching water into the bulk tank all the time. They probably assume everyone else has the same disrespect for the end user.

LostCovey

LostCovey

vincenzolorenzo wrote: »

Ah yeah for really young kids you'd want to be a bit more careful alright. Good saving to be made over buying it alright. Plus its much nicer!

Nice matters. It's not as if there's any bovine TB in the country to worry about. Drink it up its good for ya.

LC

whelan1

LostCovey wrote: »

Of course they hate the bought stuff if they are watching their oul' fella pitching water into the bulk tank all the time. They probably assume everyone else has the same disrespect for the end user.

LostCovey

you'll never wind me up so stop now and i am not their old fella i am their mother

LostCovey

whelan1 wrote: »

you'll never wind me up so stop now and i am not their old fella i am their mother

Interesting you would deny the 'fella' bit but not the adulteration bit.

I think I smell a wind-up going the other way actually, with me as victim, so just for the record, I buy whatever milk is cheapest, be it local, cross-country or cross-border, own-county or own-brand. Like most people. Because I reckon it's all much of a muchness. And the milk market is about to go global anyway. The latest UHT technology produces milk with a shelf-life of six months at room temperature, and a taste that is indistinguishable from pasteurised milk. When that is scaled up to full commercial application, I will probably be buying Chinese milk shipped by sea, and do you know what, it'll be grand.

Brazil is within a whisker of getting a permit to export LIVE cattle to the EU and to Ireland's live export markets in the Mediterranean basin. Already, live exports from the USA to Turkey are happening monthly, so the welfare issues are sorted, it's just a matter of the Brazilians dotting a few i's and crossing a few t's.

So whether you are serious or winding me up, it doesn't matter. You are going online with this ráiméis as an Irish farmer bragging about watering down milk as if you were slagging me in the pub. You are not. You are broadcasting your ignorance/criminality/ill-placed practical joke to the world. This is on the interweb.

So the next time someone says that Brazilian beef or Chinese milk or New Zealand lamb perfectly fine to displace Irish product from a market, and anyway the Irish version of the product is pumped up with whatever (and watered down!) just remember, you played your part in creating that impression.

You should be very proud whelan1.

LostCovey

pajero12

LostCovey wrote: »

Interesting you would deny the 'fella' bit but not the adulteration bit.

I think I smell a wind-up going the other way actually, with me as victim, so just for the record, I buy whatever milk is cheapest, be it local, cross-country or cross-border, own-county or own-brand. Like most people. Because I reckon it's all much of a muchness. And the milk market is about to go global anyway. The latest UHT technology produces milk with a shelf-life of six months at room temperature, and a taste that is indistinguishable from pasteurised milk. When that is scaled up to full commercial application, I will probably be buying Chinese milk shipped by sea, and do you know what, it'll be grand.

Brazil is within a whisker of getting a permit to export LIVE cattle to the EU and to Ireland's live export markets in the Mediterranean basin. Already, live exports from the USA to Turkey are happening monthly, so the welfare issues are sorted, it's just a matter of the Brazilians dotting a few i's and crossing a few t's.

So whether you are serious or winding me up, it doesn't matter. You are going online with this ráiméis as an Irish farmer bragging about watering down milk as if you were slagging me in the pub. You are not. You are broadcasting your ignorance/criminality/ill-placed practical joke to the world. This is on the interweb.

So the next time someone says that Brazilian beef or Chinese milk or New Zealand lamb perfectly fine to displace Irish product from a market, and anyway the Irish version of the product is pumped up with whatever (and watered down!) just remember, you played your part in creating that impression.

You should be very proud whelan1.

LostCovey

Someone went off on a bit of a tangent there.Just so you know whelan1 is not the only one doin it!I hear them Chinese are at it the whole time too
BTW UHT milk tastes like Piss

LostCovey

pajero12 wrote: »

Ah now...UHT milk tastes like piss!

Not the new version. Sails through blind taste tests.

LC

bbam

LostCovey wrote: »

I buy whatever milk is cheapest, be it local, cross-country or cross-border, own-county or own-brand. Like most people. Because I reckon it's all much of a muchness.
LostCovey

Ah yes, buy the cheapest is the best way to ensure a quality product..

I've had call to be on many dairy farms in this country, a few in America and indeed in China since you mention it...

Without a doubt the milk produced in Ireland is superior..

I wouldn't for a minute pretend there are no "issues" whatsoever in the overall production of milk here but most liquid milk suppliers I have seen are definitely producing a top class product and are being short changed by the prices paid..

Nothing only Irish milk on our table and I've seen more milk premises than most..

LostCovey

bbam wrote: »

Ah yes, buy the cheapest is the best way to ensure a quality product..

I've had call to be on many dairy farms in this country, a few in America and indeed in China since you mention it...

Without a doubt the milk produced in Ireland is superior..

I wouldn't for a minute pretend there are no "issues" whatsoever in the overall production of milk here but most liquid milk suppliers I have seen are definitely producing a top class product and are being short changed by the prices paid..

Nothing only Irish milk on our table and I've seen more milk premises than most..

What differences do you see?

LC

vincenzolorenzo

whelan1 wrote: »

you'll never wind me up so stop now and i am not their old fella i am their mother

Ignore that LostCovey fella. I've seen him trolling before and he's at it again here :rolleyes:

LostCovey

bbam wrote: »

Ah yes, buy the cheapest is the best way to ensure a quality product..

I've had call to be on many dairy farms in this country, a few in America and indeed in China since you mention it...

Without a doubt the milk produced in Ireland is superior..

I wouldn't for a minute pretend there are no "issues" whatsoever in the overall production of milk here but most liquid milk suppliers I have seen are definitely producing a top class product and are being short changed by the prices paid..

Nothing only Irish milk on our table and I've seen more milk premises than most..

vincenzolorenzo wrote: »

Ignore that LostCovey fella. I've seen him trolling before and he's at it again here :rolleyes:

The trolling slur is a bit lazy. It saves addressing the issue being discussed. You can sling it at anyone. I just prefer to buy water separate from milk. I never knew it was an issue in milk from Irish suppliers till whelan1 started claiming it was OK to do it in the winter.

Who's trolling who?

LC

And I already got caught out assuming someone was a fella, so be careful!

LostCovey

vincenzolorenzo wrote: »

Ah yeah for really young kids you'd want to be a bit more careful alright. Good saving to be made over buying it alright. Plus its much nicer!

I think anyone who sees no risk in drinking raw milk has more to think about than phantom trolls under the bridge. It is a public health education issue at the end of the day.

LC

whelan1

bbam wrote: »

Ah yes, buy the cheapest is the best way to ensure a quality product..

I've had call to be on many dairy farms in this country, a few in America and indeed in China since you mention it...

Without a doubt the milk produced in Ireland is superior..

I wouldn't for a minute pretend there are no "issues" whatsoever in the overall production of milk here but most liquid milk suppliers I have seen are definitely producing a top class product and are being short changed by the prices paid..

Nothing only Irish milk on our table and I've seen more milk premises than most..

apparently may will be the first month in years where liquid milk farmers get less for milk than manufacturing :eek:

bbam

vincenzolorenzo wrote: »

Ignore that LostCovey fella. I've seen him trolling before and he's at it again here :rolleyes:

Ya thanks, checked his "input" on other threads and seems you have a point.

LostCovey

whelan1 wrote: »

around this time last year we where plagued by the dairies for water in the milk , now admittedly in the winter i would let a few extra litres of water in

Interesting that someone querying the above statement is accused of trolling on an Irish farming thread.

All I have done on any thread is express an opinion. There's enough sheep in this country, I hope you both enjoy the comfort of the national flock.

Keep watering the milk lads. And ladies. Anyone quibbling about it will be dismissed as a troll.

They're only consumers out there, they don't really matter.

Fantastic country. Ireland the Food Island.

LostCovey

The_Conductor

Guys- before you go accusing others of trolling etc- please use the 'report post' function (the exclamation mark in the triangle at the bottom left of pane, underneath the username/details), with an explanation for the moderators of what your issue with the post is. We will then take appropriate action.

I'm not sure whether allowing this thread continue is a good idea- we get enough flak from the public without shooting ourselves in the foot with stories of watering milk etc.

Further-

If you disagree with what someone else posts- refute it factually without personalising your post- or you will be given a posting holiday from this forum.

Regards,

SMcCarrick