What should be done about players who NR

Trampas

If a person NR what should happen to them. Pros included.

We have all seen a player not going to make the cut and with a rain delay means he will have to come back on Saturday to finish his round but he doesn't bother cause he is going to make the cut.

What punishment should these players receive?

At club level what should the GUI do about it? How club players get a .1 back is terrible. Maybe a 1 months comp banning might help resolve the issue. If someone injuries themselves is fair enough but people just playing bad and walking in should receive some punishment

dnjoyce

Trampas wrote: »

If someone injuries themselves is fair enough but people just playing bad and walking in should receive some punishment

Herein lies the problem - if there is some stricter punishment put in place then we will just have a flurry of "injuries" concocted to get away with it (see TW in player's champs). Demand a doctor's note then?
I agree it is something that should be looked at, but it's not as straight forward as it seems to enforce.

jimbling

You can't ban someone for a month for deciding to walk off a golf course. Way too harsh.

Why don't they just not adjust the handicap unless a completed card is handed in? Wouldn't that solve the problem?

I believe there is also the issue with N/Rs messing up the CSS (or something, in a similar thread a few weeks ago.. I can't find it though), but I'm sure that could be handled a better way also.

fullstop

jimbling wrote: »

You can't ban someone for a month for deciding to walk off a golf course. Way too harsh.

Why don't they just not adjust the handicap unless a completed card is handed in? Wouldn't that solve the problem?

I believe there is also the issue with N/Rs messing up the CSS (or something, in a similar thread a few weeks ago.. I can't find it though), but I'm sure that could be handled a better way also.

No, because then lower players would just walk off instead of getting .1.

Mister Sifter

Players not returning their card in my own club receive a 2 week ban from all competitions. Players can still NR as long as they submit their card after their round and enter their score as an NR in the computer.

mike12

in our club 1 NR warning, 2 no comps for a month, 3 suspension of GUI handicap for a month. We used to have loads of nr's not so much anymore
Mike

Russman

Mister Sifter wrote: »

Players not returning their card in my own club receive a 2 week ban from all competitions. Players can still NR as long as they submit their card after their round and enter their score as an NR in the computer.

+1
Thats exactly the issue, NR or walking off the course is fine as long as the card is submitted. By not entering the card they're contributing to a potentially false CSS for everyone, as well as playing off a false handicap themselves.

I'd go for the 2 week ban or something like that.

f22

Have to say I've been guilty of quite a few the last two years through injury, some NR's simply to save playing partners who I felt may have been better off without my presence, the odd lost ball and others simply to stop clubs ending up in a lake.

Even though I'm a low handicapper I can safely say all resulted in a .1, and nearly always a corresponding card. Congu are implementing new rules for next season which will make everything much more transparent though I'm not quite sure on the penalty element as yet.

Thankfully I'm over the worst of everything and after a wrap on the knucles from our handicap secretary ( who was quite understanding with the reasons ) I'll have no more this year!

Russman

I know what you mean f22, similar situation myself, got injured 4yrs ago and went from 3 to 6 through constant 0.1s
The upside is that you kept returning cards so I wouldn't see it as a problem for the secretary.

2 surgeries later I'm fine and then got a letter a few months ago giving me 2 shots back !! Mind you I've lost them again this year.

1united

Russman wrote: »

+1
Thats exactly the issue, NR or walking off the course is fine as long as the card is submitted. By not entering the card they're contributing to a potentially false CSS for everyone, as well as playing off a false handicap themselves.

I'd go for the 2 week ban or something like that.

was guilty of an NR on saturday myself, hit a drive on 3rd in strokeplay comp, a bit right but we thought it would be fine until we get up there and can't find it - only for someone playing the 4th to say they picked up a ball and gave it to someone playing on 5th who was OOB turns out it was mine. Course was jammed busy so instead of walking back to the tee I went to next tee and fumed for a while, game went to sh*te after that.

Anyway, long story short I still returned the card, got NR and 0.1, my point is that fair enough a bad score deserves 0.1 but should NR get one, does this not make the situation worse. Also it gives the cowboys out there a chance to keep their handicaps artificially high, whilst us poor hackers can't but avoid them no matter how hard we try.

GreeBo

1united wrote: »

was guilty of an NR on saturday myself, hit a drive on 3rd in strokeplay comp, a bit right but we thought it would be fine until we get up there and can't find it - only for someone playing the 4th to say they picked up a ball and gave it to someone playing on 5th who was OOB turns out it was mine. Course was jammed busy so instead of walking back to the tee I went to next tee and fumed for a while, game went to sh*te after that.

Anyway, long story short I still returned the card, got NR and 0.1, my point is that fair enough a bad score deserves 0.1 but should NR get one, does this not make the situation worse. Also it gives the cowboys out there a chance to keep their handicaps artificially high, whilst us poor hackers can't but avoid them no matter how hard we try.

That shouldnt be an NR, at least not for handicap purposes. You just get 0 stableford points and your handicap is adjusted accordingly. Though maybe you still got 0.1 back

Not entering a score/returning your card is an automatic 0.1 in my club.

1united

GreeBo wrote: »

That shouldnt be an NR, at least not for handicap purposes. You just get 0 stableford points and your handicap is adjusted accordingly. Though maybe you still got 0.1 back

Not entering a score/returning your card is an automatic 0.1 in my club.

Yeah, still got the .1 back, would prefer if I didn't though, wanna soon start heading back the other way (plus I think it just encourages NR chancers as stated). Suppose beggars (or hackers) can't be choosers, but on the optimistitic side it only takes 1 good day to do a bit of damage so here hoping.

jimbling

I played in a competition the other day and genuinely forgot to hand in my card afterwards. I was on the way home when I remembered. I had an okay score, but wasnt going to win anything. I'm sure I would have remembered if I had a better score

Anyway, point is.... It just came up on golfnet. It has gone in as an NR, but I did not get a .1 back. Anyone know how that could happen?

jimbling

jimbling wrote: »

I played in a competition the other day and genuinely forgot to hand in my card afterwards. I was on the way home when I remembered. I had an okay score, but wasnt going to win anything. I'm sure I would have remembered if I had a better score

Anyway, point is.... It just came up on golfnet. It has gone in as an NR, but I did not get a .1 back. Anyone know how that could happen?

Okay, spoke too soon. Its after getting updated. It moved from my AWAY records to my normal handicap area and the .1 got added there. Maybe it does that every time....

PhilipMarlowe

Yep, when it's under away scores it doesn't show the handicap adjustment.
When it's processed it moves to your record and then the adjustment takes place.

jimbling

Cheers Licksy.... I dont play many away competitions so hadn't realised.

lfp

I've never done this as it never really entered my head. I'm curious though - what's the problem????? How is it an advantage to someone to not send in a card?

I never heard anyone suggest that a member of my athletics club be banned from racing for a month for dropping out of a race....

I know this may seem a simple question, go easy on me....

jimbling

lfp wrote: »

I've never done this as it never really entered my head. I'm curious though - what's the problem????? How is it an advantage to someone to not send in a card?

I never heard anyone suggest that a member of my athletics club be banned from racing for a month for dropping out of a race....

I know this may seem a simple question, go easy on me....

Basically a player that plays to their handicap or above can just not hand a card in and still get .1 back. Most people wouldn't dream of doing this, but some people are only concerned with getting their handicap up for big competitions etc.