4 bed council houses (housing lists)

Elzer

hey everyone,

i'm just wondering is anyone on the fingal 4 bed housing list and have you been on it as long as i have(2 years). how fast or slow do you think its moving for you, and have you identified any 4 bed stock in your area which is supposed to be allocated???. maybe we could help everyone out here on any housing lists by throwing in some ideas to try move these lists on.....either way thanks for your time.

Elzer.

Elle Collins

Elzer wrote: »

i'm just wondering is anyone on the fingal 4 bed housing list and have you been on it as long as i have(2 years).

Sorry but you're in for a nasty surprise if you think two years is a long wait on the fingal housing list, or any Dublin housing list for that matter. A friend of mine was recently housed after an eleven year wait on the fingal list. She moved in next door to a woman who had been waiting fourteen years. It is almost unheard of that anyone would be housed before a wait of seven to eight years and anyone housed that quickly would be considered very lucky.

Mr. Presentable

Elzer wrote: »

hey everyone,

i'm just wondering is anyone on the fingal 4 bed housing list and have you been on it as long as i have(2 years). how fast or slow do you think its moving for you, and have you identified any 4 bed stock in your area which is supposed to be allocated???. maybe we could help everyone out here on any housing lists by throwing in some ideas to try move these lists on.....either way thanks for your time.

Elzer.

Yup. We had saved a deposit and bought by the time our offer came. Good thing we chose to fend for ourselves rather than the welfare system to be honest.

Elzer

Hey All,

I just want to point out that I am living in a 650 sq ft house with 5 kids and my partner which is already a Social housing property.....

Please no offensive comments about my contraceptive choice's........

I had two children from a relationship before i met my current partner and had three children in quick succession for him. I accepted my property as it did suit my needs at the time of allocation, but now it does not, to say the least.

A girl on the same street as me got re-housed with-in a month of getting a TD involved and now has her house (Last Month and she asked me for the number for the TD). What i am asking is, is there or do you know of houses that are out there that are empty and of a larger size to mine, that as yet have not been allocated?????

I am Number 13 on the list for a 4 bed house i just want to know if there are any others who are in the same predicament as my family and I, please contact me and tell me your stories....... I need to vent and need others with the same problem to chat to.........

My partner is currently doing a degree course, unfortunatly he fell victim to the recession and cuts. So we are trying to educate our way out of this situation. But we are not in a position to save and buy a house as yet........... Ex:mad::o

Elle Collins

I have to say I am stunned that anyone who was already raising two children in a 650 sf house would go on to have another three children in rapid succession. That is just the absolute height of irresponsibility.

Elzer wrote: »

A girl on the same street as me got re-housed with-in a month of getting a TD involved and now has her house

How long was she waiting before the TD got involved? It may have been many years and I'd be very surprised if it wasn’t.

Elzer wrote: »

What i am asking is, is there or do you know of houses that are out there that are empty and of a larger size to mine, that as yet have not been allocated?????

I don't know and it doesn’t matter if there are or not. Fingal co co will allocate you a house when they're good and ready, which will most likely be a long way from now. To be honest if you don't like the sound of that it's a case of tough luck. You should have thought of that before you had a hoard of kids when you'd nowhere to put them. One child I could understand, but five?????

Elzer wrote: »

I am Number 13 on the list for a 4 bed house i just want to know if there are any others who are in the same predicament as my family and I, please contact me and tell me your stories....... I need to vent and need others with the same problem to chat to.........

What gives you the right to vent about a problem you deliberately created for yourself? It's just a pity you created the problem for the poor kids too.

Ste.phen

Feck's sake, let's not let this descend into 'keep yer legs closed' crap, eh?
The OP wants information on others' experiences in her situation, not criticism of it.

Re: the person that got the TD involved, if that worked there's no reason not to try it yourself OP, though it really shouldn't work in a proper democracy. In the short term I can't see anything changing, so give it a shot.

mikemac

OP you may as well use the system as you can't change it.
If the local councillor or TD can pull something for you then do it.

You're in a unique situation being in Fingal, Minister for Housing Noel Ahern represents Dublin North West.

Ideally we would have a fair list system based on needs and we probably already have this.
But if you can get an advantage do it.

Elzer

Elle Collins wrote: »

I have to say I am stunned that anyone who was already raising two children in a 650 sf house would go on to have another three children in rapid succession. That is just the absolute height of irresponsibility.

How long was she waiting before the TD got involved? It may have been many years and I'd be very surprised if it wasn’t.

I don't know and it doesn’t matter if there are or not. Fingal co co will allocate you a house when they're good and ready, which will most likely be a long way from now. To be honest if you don't like the sound of that it's a case of tough luck. You should have thought of that before you had a hoard of kids when you'd nowhere to put them. One child I could understand, but five?????

What gives you the right to vent about a problem you deliberately created for yourself? It's just a pity you created the problem for the poor kids too.

Elle Collins......

My pro life believes are mine and if you so choose you can abort or create at YOUR own leasure, Like i said i had my reasons and this is not a post for you to tell me how many children i can or cant have so feel free to leave at any stage.......

There is a fundamental problem when people like you DICTATE to people like myself........ We dont live in China..........
I have five kids get over it.....

I am in need of housing and that girl got a responce with-in a week..... so don't rant at me beacuse you think you can tell me what to do or any other multible mother.......

This is a housing issue not a pregnancy thread.......

Ste.phen

Elzer wrote: »

Elle Collins......

My pro life believes are mine and if you so choose you can abort or create at YOUR own leasure, Like i said i had my reasons and this is not a post for you to tell me how many children i can or cant have so feel free to leave at any stage.......

There is a fundamental problem when people like you DICTATE to people like myself........ We dont live in China..........
I have five kids get over it.....

I am in need of housing and that girl got a responce with-in a week..... so don't rant at me beacuse you think you can tell me what to do or any other multible mother.......

This is a housing issue not a pregnancy thread.......

I think you should probably ignore them rather than argue the point.

FWIW I pretty much agree with Elle's point if not the manner of putting it across, but this really isn't the time or the place for it.

We as a society have decided that a framework should be in place that allows people to get free or cheap houses just because they have kids and don't work. I question the logic there and definitely the implementation, but I certainly don't think it's right to have a go at you personally because you asked a question about how your own situation fits into that.

Elzer

Ste.phen wrote: »

I think you should probably ignore them rather than argue the point.

FWIW I pretty much agree with Elle's point if not the manner of putting it across, but this really isn't the time or the place for it.

We as a society have decided that a framework should be in place that allows people to get free or cheap houses just because they have kids and don't work. I question the logic there and definitely the implementation, but I certainly don't think it's right to have a go at you personally because you asked a question about how your own situation fits into that.

If elle had actually read all of my post and not just quoted on the negative i would of heard her out......
I did say both my partner and i worked until i had the last 3 kids, i gave up to mind them and he subsequently lost his job to the recession......
We are not spongers just trying to sort out a very bad situation..... My partner is educating himself into a better job but this also takes time.......

I just want people who are in our position to post so i can hear their stories and how they got their houses or not as the case may be...... and if people know of housing that is boarded up and not yet allocated.....

I dont need people telling me i should never of had my kids.........:mad::o

Elle Collins

Firstly Elzer I have never advocated abortion to you or any woman; I have strong pro-life views myself.

Elzer wrote: »

I just want people who are in our position to post so i can hear their stories and how they got their houses or not as the case may be......

People get their houses from Fingal co co in a much fairer manner than they are allocated by some other councils, Dublin city council, for example. With DCC houses are allocated based on medical certificates, current housing conditions, and every other excuse you can think of. With Fingal co co houses are allocated based on one premise only, and that is the date the applicant first applied for housing. In this way applicants on the Fingal list have no choice but to wait their turn.

You'd almost certainly be better off putting your name on the DCC list, as you would be 99% certain to be housed quicker on their list than with Fingal co council. This is the case because the amount of people living in so small a space would be taken into consideration by DCC, while it will not be considered by Fingal co council.

Very few four bed houses are built by any council, therefore you can expect a long wait no matter what list you're on, but again you would be housed considerably more quickly by Dublin City Council because of your particular circumstances, even by putting your name down at this stage while you are already two years on the Fingal list.

I have to say I hadn't intended to insult you but I am just really galled by certain things about this thread, including that fact that everyone else on these lists is expected to wait years stretching into double digits, while others are jumping up and down wanting to know 'where's my house?' after just two years.

Elzer

Elle Collins wrote: »

Firstly Elzer I have never advocated abortion to you or any woman; I have strong pro-life views myself.



People get their houses from Fingal co co in a much fairer manner than they are allocated by some other councils, Dublin city council, for example. With DCC houses are allocated based on medical certificates, current housing conditions, and every other excuse you can think of. With Fingal co co houses are allocated based on one premise only, and that is the date the applicant first applied for housing. In this way applicants on the Fingal list have no choice but to wait their turn.

You'd almost certainly be better off putting your name on the DCC list, as you would be 99% certain to be housed quicker on their list than with Fingal co council. This is the case because the amount of people living in so small a space would be taken into consideration by DCC, while it will not be considered by Fingal co council.

Very few four bed houses are built by any council, therefore you can expect a long wait no matter what list you're on, but again you would be housed considerably more quickly by Dublin City Council because of your particular circumstances, even by putting your name down at this stage while you are already two years on the Fingal list.

I have to say I hadn't intended to insult you but I am just really galled by certain things about this thread, including that fact that everyone else on these lists is expected to wait years stretching into double digits, while others are jumping up and down wanting to know 'where's my house?' after just two years.

Elle Collins

Firstly I am not jumping up and down like a two yr old throwing a tantrum here, Please stop mis-quoting me.

Your taking the whole idea of this out of context.. This is to get information and ask how this Very bad Situation can be sorted out....
And maybe Fingal should look at how housing is allocated from other councils.....
I asked to go on other council lists and guess what they dont allow it. You are considered to be housed so will not be able to go on another council list unless its for a job or closer to a sick relative.

We are not trying to jump lists either we just want informed true to life real experiances of others who have been or are in our position....

like our information when a child was added to our transfer info, decreases our actual date of going on the list also as i was 11th on the list and am now 13???? how can the list be jumped if it was a fairer way of allocation????? There are some very strange ideas that you have that Fingal is holier than thou with Allocation lists maybe you should check information before you slate me.......

Although you seem to be very well informed about Fingal Co Councils procedures would this indicate you are part of the allocations team???????? Or are you just bitter that you bought a house before you were allocated one??? Or where you just being too fussy as to where you wanted to be housed????
Like i said Stop miss Quoting me Put your friend in touch with me as to it took her so long to be housed? 11 and 14yr waits are unheard of with most people.
I have done some research and most tenants on my estate were only on the waiting list for 3yrs.....
People in the same situation would have a better view than yourself i think and being delibratly malicious to me is not helping......

Elzer

Elzer wrote: »

Elle Collins

Firstly I am not jumping up and down like a two yr old throwing a tantrum here, Please stop mis-quoting me.

Your taking the whole idea of this out of context.. This is to get information and ask how this Very bad Situation can be sorted out....
And maybe Fingal should look at how housing is allocated from other councils.....
I asked to go on other council lists and guess what they dont allow it. You are considered to be housed so will not be able to go on another council list unless its for a job or closer to a sick relative.

We are not trying to jump lists either we just want informed true to life real experiances of others who have been or are in our position....

like our information when a child was added to our transfer info, decreases our actual date of going on the list also as i was 11th on the list and am now 13???? how can the list be jumped if it was a fairer way of allocation????? There are some very strange ideas that you have that Fingal is holier than thou with Allocation lists maybe you should check information before you slate me.......

Although you seem to be very well informed about Fingal Co Councils procedures would this indicate you are part of the allocations team???????? Or are you just bitter that you bought a house before you were allocated one??? Or where you just being too fussy as to where you wanted to be housed????
Like i said Stop miss Quoting me Put your friend in touch with me as to it took her so long to be housed? 11 and 14yr waits are unheard of with most people.
I have done some research and most tenants on my estate were only on the waiting list for 3yrs.....
People in the same situation would have a better view than yourself i think and being delibratly malicious to me is not helping......

Sorry just spoke to a girl who was on the list for 5 n half years but she was holding out for a specific area.........

a face in the crowd

Quick message to all here. Some of you offer informed advice there, while others are picking off personal matters. i'm on the waiting list 2 years myself and i'd just like to know a bit more about the issues of waiting on the list and if anyone could post good advice to help me along too...i agree with the op that this could be an informative thread for people

thanks,

a face in the crowd.:)

D3PO

Elzer wrote: »

Elle Collins......

My pro life believes are mine and if you so choose you can abort or create at YOUR own leasure, Like i said i had my reasons and this is not a post for you to tell me how many children i can or cant have so feel free to leave at any stage.......

There is a fundamental problem when people like you DICTATE to people like myself........ We dont live in China..........
I have five kids get over it.....

....

In fairness what do you expect. Elle didnt mention abortion, but pointed out your irresponsibility, spin it anyway you want but your irresponsibility has led to the situation you find yourself in.

Nobody is saying you cant have as many kids as you like but you should ensure your in a position to provide appropriatly for them, if you cant its irresponsible end of story.

Your responsible for the situation you find yourself in the same way somebody deep in negative equity who cannot pay their mortgage is responsible for the situation they find themselves in. When people begin to take responsibility for thier actions rather than complainng about not being bailed out this in this country might move forward.

as for the housing list wait, it is what it is, you cant find out how to speed it up on here you have to follow due process.

bobbysands81

feelingstressed wrote: »

You're in a unique situation being in Fingal, Minister for Housing Noel Ahern represents Dublin North West.

Michael Finneran is said Minister now.

Elzer

D3PO wrote: »

In fairness what do you expect. Elle didnt mention abortion, but pointed out your irresponsibility, spin it anyway you want but your irresponsibility has led to the situation you find yourself in.

Nobody is saying you cant have as many kids as you like but you should ensure your in a position to provide appropriatly for them, if you cant its irresponsible end of story.

Your responsible for the situation you find yourself in the same way somebody deep in negative equity who cannot pay their mortgage is responsible for the situation they find themselves in. When people begin to take responsibility for thier actions rather than complainng about not being bailed out this in this country might move forward.

as for the housing list wait, it is what it is, you cant find out how to speed it up on here you have to follow due process.

Yet again another person deviating from the question asked.....

Are you in need of 4 bed housing????? if not please refrain from commenting on how many kids i have..... Its a housing issue not a baby or cercumstances issue open another thread to bitch on such matters.......

Elzer

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Michael Finneran is said Minister now.

Could you let me know how the minister of housing can help and if so how do you contact him??? Not like contacting a TD im sure......lol:D:rolleyes:

bobbysands81

Elzer wrote: »

Yet again another person deviating from the question asked.....

Are you in need of 4 bed housing????? if not please refrain from commenting on how many kids i have..... Its a housing issue not a baby or cercumstances issue open another thread to bitch on such matters.......

Sorry I can't help with info but fair dues to your fella for going back to studies whilst out of work - a brave step by him.

I hope things work out for you.

bobbysands81

Elzer wrote: »

Could you let me know how the minister of housing can help and if so how do you contact him??? Not like contacting a TD im sure......lol:D:rolleyes:

In reality he probably can't really as he'll tell you it's a matter for the Local Authority.

However, ring the Dept of the Environment on 888 2000 and ask to be put through to his office and explain your situation to whomever answers the phone and ask them is there anything they can do to help.

Otherwise e-mail him or write to him

www.environ.ie

D3PO

Elzer wrote: »

... Its a housing issue not a baby or cercumstances issue .......

actually it is infact a baby or circumstance issue. You said yourself your accomadation was appropraite to your circumstances at the time. Your actions changed your circumstances therefore it is a circumstance / baby issue.

im not bitching, im just pointing out you need to remove the woe is me attitude you have.

D3PO

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Sorry I can't help with info but fair dues to your fella for going back to studies whilst out of work - a brave step by him.

I hope things work out for you.

so do I, despite the OP thinking im bitching / trolling

a face in the crowd

as for the housing list wait, it is what it is, you cant find out how to speed it up on here you have to follow due process.

i think the OP was just after this part mate.alot of people do things in life that they cant turn the clock back on. my undersanding of this thread is that the op is looking for information on an issue. you have absolutely no right to slap her on the hand and tell her shes irresponsible about having children. you are changing the thread into something else that is irrelevant to the issue.

i think you should look for another thread to go play with your moral compass on, and that applies to anyone else whos on here to happy slap......how rude!!!!!!!!!

Elzer

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Sorry I can't help with info but fair dues to your fella for going back to studies whilst out of work - a brave step by him.

I hope things work out for you.

Thanks we are trying to move forward and we need help with that but we should not be slated when we are not out to render the tax payers poor.... I just want people in need of 4 bed housing to post here...........:o

Elzer

D3PO wrote: »

actually it is infact a baby or circumstance issue. You said yourself your accomadation was appropraite to your circumstances at the time. Your actions changed your circumstances therefore it is a circumstance / baby issue.

im not bitching, im just pointing out you need to remove the woe is me attitude you have.

Where in here did you see a quote from me that mentioned i was in woe of anything??????
You are bitching and that IS for another forum.
Ill ask again are you in need of 4 Bed social housing?
Do you know of any vacant social properties that you can tell me and others about?
Did You or are you awainting a 4 bed house on the housing list?

All relavant questions i have asked and yes i may of said ive been waiting 2 yrs but i was only asking for others who HAVE been or ARE waiting on 4 bed housing opinions not your "i should never of had more kids" attitude.:mad::mad::mad:

danbohan

Elzer wrote: »

Elle Collins......

My pro life believes are mine and if you so choose you can abort or create at YOUR own leasure, Like i said i had my reasons and this is not a post for you to tell me how many children i can or cant have so feel free to leave at any stage.......

There is a fundamental problem when people like you DICTATE to people like myself........ We dont live in China..........
I have five kids get over it.....

I am in need of housing and that girl got a responce with-in a week..... so don't rant at me beacuse you think you can tell me what to do or any other multible mother.......

This is a housing issue not a pregnancy thread.......

its not a housing issue , its a handout issue , the people who are PAYING for your family and fun should be entitled to critise if they so wish !

D3PO

a face in the crowd wrote: »

as for the housing list wait, it is what it is, you cant find out how to speed it up on here you have to follow due process.

i think the OP was just after this part mate.alot of people do things in life that they cant turn the clock back on. my undersanding of this thread is that the op is looking for information on an issue. you have absolutely no right to slap her on the hand and tell her shes irresponsible about having children. you are changing the thread into something else that is irrelevant to the issue.

i think you should look for another thread to go play with your moral compass on, and that applies to anyone else whos on here to happy slap......how rude!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

im not slapping anybody on the hand, but I do have every right to provide my opinion in this thread. Not everybody will agree thats why its called an opinion and not a fact ....

and your missing the point here what im commenting on is not changing the thread and is not irrelevent to the issue, its very much relevent.

The issue is the frustration the OP has with the housing process. The frustration is borne out of the OP's prediciment, whilst looking for away to move from the predicement shes in.

My point is the OP has to me portrayed the attitude that 2 years is too long for a resolution of their issue, its very much skewed to the degree that they are putting the blame on the councils housing process.

Whilst this is clearly one component of the issue the fact is the OP has also to bear some responsibility as to the predicement they are in, and rather than trying to shoehorn the process to fit their needs and look for ways to circumvent due process.

After the OP became pregnant with child 3 what conversations did the OP have with their local housing department in relation to the circumstance? If they are only on the list 2 years that indicates they had none.

This bears the question why not ? if the OP had they would be further up the list.

As for my moral compass it works fine thanks no need to play with it, my opinion is that I believe its not responsible to have 5 children when you do not have suitable accomadation for them.

In the context of their position and the fact councils housing budgets aswell as everything else are being cut to manage the economy the context of their position must be understood.

a face in the crowd

danbohan wrote: »

its not a housing issue , its a handout issue , the people who are PAYING for your family and fun should be entitled to critise if they so wish !

yeah well i paid my way for 11 years, to fall victim to the recession and since i've never claimed welfare since a school leaver and paid my taxes i thought i might be entitiled to a handout mate, actually id be fecked without it as i've lots of bills to pay.

again its easy to critise from the otherside mate......maybe should start a glorified tax payers thread to air your point on it and leave the OP be....

she not even talking about social welfare issues????????????

irishgrover

Elle Collins wrote: »

I have to say I am stunned that anyone who was already raising two children in a 650 sf house would go on to have another three children in rapid succession. That is just the absolute height of irresponsibility...........

What gives you the right to vent about a problem you deliberately created for yourself? It's just a pity you created the problem for the poor kids too.

Wow! yea OP, how very dare you have 5 children when you are obviously not well off. Needless to day they are obviously not loved as much as happy middle class children, nor will then contribute to society in any formative way...

In addition what gives you the right to think that you can avail of legitimate social services that we, as a democracy, have decided are appropriate....

In addition I for one am shocked that you have internet access or that your other half is allowed into college, down with that sort of thing
:rolleyes:

.

D3PO

Elzer wrote: »

Ill ask again are you in need of 4 Bed social housing?

No because if I was for example in a 2 bed social housing Id ensure I was responsible enough not to have children that would require me to have a need for a 4 bed

Do you know of any vacant social properties that you can tell me and others about?

Back to my first post. The system is what it is. You cannot expect somebody on here to go yes this house is free and expect magically that from #14 on the list you will get this house. Do you believe the council are dragging their feet on purpose with empty houses around the place .....

Did You or are you awainting a 4 bed house on the housing list?

No Im not, but if I was I would be happy that the state is helping me rather than bemoaning the amount of time they spend dealing with cases

dont have a go at me for having an opinion.

Elzer

danbohan wrote: »

its not a housing issue , its a handout issue , the people who are PAYING for your family and fun should be entitled to critise if they so wish !

Are you in need of a 4 bed house?
If not please refrain from bitching on this post the questions are VERY clear at the top of this thread and i will start to report abuse........
Im not having fun on handouts or anyones money and hardly in a position to even get out with 3 kids under 3 so dont post comments like you know me......

starfish12

You could try reducing the number of bedrooms you are requesting, there are alot more 3bed houses built than 4 beds in the Fingal area. I know one couple that this worked for, there simply wasn't a 4 bed house, and they had been on the list approx 4-5 years when they decided to switch their request.

This could speed up your wait, having the kids share couldnt be the end of the world.

Elzer

irishgrover wrote: »

Wow! yea OP, how very dare you have 5 children when you are obviously not well off. Needless to day they are obviously not loved as much as happy middle class children, nor will then contribute to society in any formative way...

In addition what gives you the right to think that you can avail of legitimate social services that we, as a democracy, have decided are appropriate....

In addition I for one am shocked that you have internet access or that your other half is allowed into college, down with that sort of thing
:rolleyes:

.

Oh im sorry your expecting everyone in need of help to be a junkie no hoper?????

YOUR SAYING KEEP THE LOWER CLASSES DOWN

HOW DARE YOU.........................................

CAN YOU READ???
TRY LOOKING AT WHAT THIS THREAD IS FOR AND NOT WHAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU THINK OF PEOPLE IN MY POSITION.......

a face in the crowd

irishgrover wrote: »

Wow! yea OP, how very dare you have 5 children when you are obviously not well off. Needless to day they are obviously not loved as much as happy middle class children, nor will then contribute to society in any formative way...

In addition what gives you the right to think that you can avail of legitimate social services that we, as a democracy, have decided are appropriate....

In addition I for one am shocked that you have internet access or that your other half is allowed into college, down with that sort of thing
:rolleyes:

YOU'RE A COMPLETE ****E MATE....IF YOUR NOT ON THE WELFARE I HOPE YOU'RE TOLD IF YOU END UP THERE WHAT A YOU DOING WITH A TELEPHONE, A COMPUTER, AN INTERNET....YOU INSENSITIVE IGNORANT PERSON

danbohan

a face in the crowd wrote: »

yeah well i paid my way for 11 years, to fall victim to the recession and since i've never claimed welfare since a school leaver and paid my taxes i thought i might be entitiled to a handout mate, actually id be fecked without it as i've lots of bills to pay.

again its easy to critise from the otherside mate......maybe should start a glorified tax payers thread to air your point on it and leave the OP be....

she not even talking about social welfare issues????????????

she is looking for accommodation provided by the state paid for by taxpayers , what do you call it ? . people need to be responsible for providing for themselves , if you want 5 kids great, have them , but you cover the costs not your neighbour

quozl

Calm down Elzer/A face in the crowd, irishgrover was clearly being ironic/sarcastic.

He/She was having a poke at the asses moaning at the OP. They should just report them instead, that's what I did. They've derailed a thread with their self-important band-standing.

Elzer

starfish12 wrote: »

You could try reducing the number of bedrooms you are requesting, there are alot more 3bed houses built than 4 beds in the Fingal area. I know one couple that this worked for, there simply wasn't a 4 bed house, and they had been on the list approx 4-5 years when they decided to switch their request.

This could speed up your wait, having the kids share couldnt be the end of the world.[/QUOTE

I have told them i will take a three bed and we are still waiting when i put in for a move it was before i had my last two children and my house is a five yr old new build so built a third smaller than the older houses....... thanks for the quote though.:D

irishgrover

a face in the crowd wrote: »

YOU'RE A COMPLETE ****E MATE....IF YOUR NOT ON THE WELFARE I HOPE YOU'RE TOLD IF YOU END UP THERE WHAT A YOU DOING WITH A TELEPHONE, A COMPUTER, AN INTERNET....YOU INSENSITIVE IGNORANT PERSON

Elzer / Face, apologies, maybe my :rolleyes: (indicating sarcastic tone), should have been much much bigger....

To re-iterate - I was being sarcastic in everything I said... primarily as a response to what IMHO are pretty fu(ked up comments by people who are telling you that it was irresponsible to have kids 'cause you live in a small house. (which for me should not be the primary factor in deciding whether or not to reproduce)

My most sincere and genuine apologies to both of you for not making myself clearer...
and to the OP, very best of luck sorting out your accommodation and to your partners study....

danbohan

Elzer wrote: »

Are you in need of a 4 bed house?
If not please refrain from biching on this post the questions are VERY clear at the top of this thread and i will start to report abuse........
Im not having fun on handouts or anyones money and hardly in a position to even get out with 3 kids under 3 so dont post comments like you know me......

i am not in need of 4 bed house i have a 5 bed , paid for by me for me and my family its called responsibility , you could try it sometime . what makes you feel you are entitled to a 4 bed house provided by taxpayers ?

Elzer

quozl wrote: »

Calm down Elzer/A face in the crowd, irishgrover was clearly being ironic/sarcastic.

He/She was having a poke at the asses moaning at the OP. They should just report them instead, that's what I did. They've derailed a thread with their self-important band-standing.

Your right and i am fuming how a post to get comments on a situation can be turned on me and be so nasty........
This is a 4 bed issue if you dont have somthing that is relavant to the questions asked please refrain from posting nasty comments...........

People this is Relavant to are-:
Those in need of 4 bed housing.
Those who have information that could help with this issue and any properties 1,2,3,4 bed houses that may be vacant to help the needs of all housing shortages.
Those who have had a experiance with waiting for a 4 bed house.

a face in the crowd

danbohan wrote: »

she is looking for accommodation provided by the state paid for by taxpayers , what do you call it ? . people need to be responsible for providing for themselves , if you want 5 kids great, have them , but you cover the costs not your neighbour

i call it looking for a better standard of living ...shes entitled to it......just like your entitled to remortgage your house when/if you want a larger one....and no one me included likes been on welfare......sometimes its not a lifestyle choice its the cards your dealt...........

Elzer

irishgrover wrote: »

Elzer / Face, apologies, maybe my :rolleyes: (indicating sarcastic tone), should have been much much bigger....

To re-iterate - I was being sarcastic in everything I said... primarily as a response to what IMHO are pretty fu(ked up comments by people who are telling you that it was irresponsible to have kids 'cause you live in a small house. (which for me should not be the primary factor in deciding whether or not to reproduce)

My most sincere and genuine apologies to both of you for not making myself clearer...
and to the OP, very best of luck sorting out your accommodation and to your partners study....

Sorry am very upset with the deviaters..... and just want genuine comments only...... I realise after re-reading what you were getting at.....
Thanks E:D

steof1984

OP I think the problem you will have is being so specific in your request 4beds don’t come along often and there are probably larger families who are ahead of you on the list also the council have provided you with accommodation that at the time suited your needs, the fact you have chosen to alter your arrangements shouldn’t mean the council have to move you into a bigger house.

What if you decided to have another 3 kids, should you be giving an even bigger house? Not having a go just pointing out that the council cant accommodate your wishes because of your choice.

From what I recall about people moving on council lists it was not uncommon to be waiting 7-8-9 some as high as 15 years for a house. It comes down to supply demand

As you stated earlier you’re not looking to jump anyone else, the friend you referenced earlier more than likely did just this. So you are left with a few options

Extend your current house, if possible
Get onto a TD or Councillor and ask them to put in a word for you, but this is jumping the list
Wait until the other 12 people get housed then it will be your turn.

Just because there is a vacant property doesn’t mean you or anyone else could move into it, it could be vacant for a reason (safety concerns, private ownership etc)

Elzer

a face in the crowd wrote: »

i call it looking for a better standard of living ...shes entitled to it......just like your entitled to remortgage your house when/if you want a larger one....and no one me included likes been on welfare......sometimes its not a lifestyle choice its the cards your dealt...........

Thanks for the back-up am very upset with the deviators and need positive quotes not what seems to be Co council workers opinions...lol
:rolleyes::rolleyes::D

irishgrover

danbohan wrote: »

.... what makes you feel you are entitled to a 4 bed house provided by taxpayers ?

Basically, to explain what happens and why people feel entitled...... we live in a democracy and vote for public Representatives, then they make laws on how the country operates. You then have the civil and public service the attempts to implement those laws and policies.
Some of the policies are popular (free primary education) and some are unpopular (taxation / bank bailouts).
One of these policies that has been in existence for a long time are housing schemes for people who may be, in some way, be disadvantaged for a whole host of reasons.
Another of these policies are children's allowance. If you have a family, I'm guessing that you are in receipt (or have been in receipt) of this particular allowance. I'm also assuming that at no point did you think, "Hey, I can afford a 5 bedroom house, I don't need children's allowance, I'll give it back"

So to conclude I'd guess a lot of people feel an entitlement to housing benefits because we, as a democracy, have deemed it to be an appropriate service for those who qualify.

....so it's probably the same feeling of entitlement that allows you (and me) to accept those wonderful children's allowance payments every month

well done on the house by the way, 5 bedrooms, impressive.....

D3PO

a face in the crowd wrote: »

i call it looking for a better standard of living ...shes entitled to it.

no shes entitled to a roof over her head. shes not entitled to anything else. If she wants something else she needs to earn it.

im not out of work thankfully but if i was I wouldnt have the self importance to think im due x,y, and z Id be happy with any help im given. People need to stop acting like spoilt brats thinking their entitled to everything.

if your on welfare you entitled to the bare min, if you want a better standard of living go and work for it.

i cant believe the gall of people complaing because the accomadation that myself and every other taxpayer are paying for isnt to their liking, what next a free bus pass isnt good enough they want a ferrari ... ?

Elzer

Thanks, I have requested a larger 3 bed and am not expecting to be favored but am looking for other people in the same position.
But could you please tell me of any private owed houses that would be boarded up as im sure you are aware this is mainly Co Council stock most private houses get sold or handed to family members......(im not saying all).

I am looking into something someone posted earlier though and think this thread could be inductive in helping others and not just myself....
There are many properties that are lying empty at the moment as i have been canvasing the local areas to see the available stock, and i revisit to see which have been allocated and which ones are still lying empty.

I think that if more people made a list of available stock we would not be fobbed off by the Councils as to what they have and what they dont have?? I realise there are a shortage of 4 bed properties, and that is why im looking for people to also add ideas as to how this could be tackeled????? Also all recent builds of 4 bed properties were all allocated for the affordable housing people, so even if you had just 2 kids you could buy these 4 bed houses as you were getting a mortgage. No look in for people who were on the list already......
Thanks again for your quote. Elzer:D

Elzer

D3PO wrote: »

no shes entitled to a roof over her head. shes not entitled to anything else. If she wants something else she needs to earn it.

im not out of work thankfully but if i was I wouldnt have the self importance to think im due x,y, and z Id be happy with any help im given. People need to stop acting like spoilt brats thinking their entitled to everything.

if your on welfare you entitled to the bare min, if you want a better standard of living go and work for it.

i cant believe the gall of people complaing because the accomadation that myself and every other taxpayer are paying for isnt to their liking, what next a free bus pass isnt good enough they want a ferrari ... ?

They dont give you anything for nothing here honey and i should know..... I have worked for it and am entitled to it i have worked all my life and dont desere the abuse you are throwing around.... So you have a job any Vacancies for my partner who is currently doing a degree.......???????

a face in the crowd

D3PO wrote: »

no shes entitled to a roof over her head. shes not entitled to anything else. If she wants something else she needs to earn it.

im not out of work thankfully but if i was I wouldnt have the self importance to think im due x,y, and z Id be happy with any help im given. People need to stop acting like spoilt brats thinking their entitled to everything.

if your on welfare you entitled to the bare min, if you want a better standard of living go and work for it.

i cant believe the gall of people complaing because the accomadation that myself and every other taxpayer are paying for isnt to their liking, what next a free bus pass isnt good enough they want a ferrari ... ?

like i said mate, sometimes its a lifestyle choice,sometimes its the cards you're dealt.......no one likes being on welfare.... i don't like it.....i'd rather work personally.....i didnt choose the welfare either, i lost my job....jobs are not in supply just like houses....remember there are people who were paxing taxes too untill recently now on dole....are you gonna tell those people they're bumming off you too, after years of tax paying?? are you gonna tell old timers they arent entitled to a pension either after years of work too??...... you see some people will always be trodden on by mindless people....you might be on top, but remember friend its a long way down to the bottom....and when you get there its a humbling experience...it makes you more aware of your circumstances cos your not the big "i am" anymore.......

anyhow you go and struggle with your consience putting your pen to that cheque for that womans 4 bed house......im off for a tea now that you may have paid for.......

Elzer

D3PO wrote: »

dont have a go at me for having an opinion.

As i said this post is not relavant to you, your wasted on here and if i didnt know better id swear your trying to destroy the actual thread. your not helping your hindering....... Please go find a thread that is relavant to your rantings....

D3PO

Elzer wrote: »

They dont give you anything for nothing here honey and i should know..... I have worked for it and am entitled to it i have worked all my life and dont desere the abuse you are throwing around.... So you have a job any Vacancies for my partner who is currently doing a degree.......???????

look dont get me wrong. I applaud your other half for what hes doing and i genuinely hope you and he succeed in being able to provide a better standard of living for your family.

my post isnt directed at you per se its at the general attiude a lot of people on here seem to have. you just happen to have started the thread.

however if was was to transplant myself into your situation, id honestly just be happy that i have somewhere regardless of its size.