Referee

miseeire

Watching Monaghan vs Armagh and how good to see a referee make the correct decision and show a straight red for a high elbow challenge.The sport would be much more enjoyable if referees were more assertive and punished accordingly.

Pride Fighter

The red card was warranted, possible broken nose to the player on the receiving end. Referee applying the rule of law. Monaghan better sub some of their yellow card contingent, could be some more reds in this game.

miseeire

One of the most open games I have seen for a long time in Ulster football and I know the referee is going to get stick for the yellow cards,I think it has contributed to this most enjoyable game.

Pride Fighter

miseeire wrote: »

One of the most open games I have seen for a long time in Ulster football and I know the referee is going to get stick for the yellow cards,I think it has contributed to this most enjoyable game.

Joe Brolly was ripping into him for giving too many frees. I think he is applying the letter of the law. And notice how many frees he's given for handpass infractions. Very few. Good refereeing and a good game IMO.

blindpilot

He did give out too many undeserved yellow cards though especially early in the second half.

copacetic

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Joe Brolly was ripping into him for giving too many frees. I think he is applying the letter of the law. And notice how many frees he's given for handpass infractions. Very few. Good refereeing and a good game IMO.

Brolly called the sending off a 'nothing challenge'! I have time for him generally but he can be absolutely blind when he chooses. It was a really nasty challenge and the sending off was bang on.

Spillane said it was a sending off and Brolly told him that was only because he had seen it in slow motion. i.e the Ref must be wrong because he spotted something they couldn't notice without the benefit of replay.

Pride Fighter

copacetic wrote: »

Brolly called the sending off a 'nothing challenge'! I have time for him generally but he can be absolutely blind when he chooses. It was a really nasty challenge and the sending off was bang on.

Spillane said it was a sending off and Brolly told him that was only because he had seen it in slow motion. i.e the Ref must be wrong because he spotted something they couldn't notice without the benefit of replay.

Brolly can be strange sometimes. He is of the Ulster school were hard challenges are the norm. I'd definitely disagree with him. In the past he has criticised non-Ulster refs in their refereeing of Ulster teams. He can have no such complaints today, a Tyrone ref, who is used to seeing hard stuff in the Tyrone club championship. It was an awful challenge, and got the correct punishment.

existential

Agree the red was deserved. An elbow in the face would be a sending off in any sport. The ref was spot on, and generally quite good though he brandish a few 'soft' yellows imo. Brolly was way off the mark with observations on this.

An Citeog

The ref is having a shocker in the Cork Kerry match. Overly fussy and completely inconsistant.

UrbanSea

Thought there was one or two that could have done with a heavier punishment in the Sligo Mayo match yesterday.

mattock

Kernan was lucky to escape with a yellow for the exact same challenge, that d1ck head Brolly is a disaster as a pundit, does anyone like him.

Think Padraig Hughes is doing a great job on the Kerry/Cork game.

UrbanSea

These new rules are grinding my gears with the amount of stop starts because of them.

Pride Fighter

mattock wrote: »

Kernan was lucky to escape with a yellow for the exact same challenge, that d1ck head Brolly is a disaster as a pundit, does anyone like him.

Think Padraig Hughes is doing a great job on the Kerry/Cork game.

I do not want to do what I just did, but you cannot abuse a TV pundit and GAA member like that.

Infraction given.

corny

Pride Fighter wrote: »

The red card was warranted, possible broken nose to the player on the receiving end. Referee applying the rule of law. Monaghan better sub some of their yellow card contingent, could be some more reds in this game.

Do you send him off because of the injury?

For me his intention was a good shoulder which he slightly mistimed. Give him a yellow card and get on with it.

mattock

corny wrote: »

Do you send him off because of the injury?

For me his intention was a good shoulder which he slightly mistimed. Give him a yellow card and get on with it.

Watch it again from the front view mallon clearly went to hurt him as did kernan, time to clamp down on the hooligans, its an amateur game.

Referees report will probably include the following regarding Mallon's sending off.

5.7 To inflict injury recklessly on an opponent by
means other than those stated above.

Penalty. Order offender off.

Pride Fighter

corny wrote: »

Do you send him off because of the injury?

For me his intention was a good shoulder which he slightly mistimed. Give him a yellow card and get on with it.

It was an elbow. Therefore a red card. Injury has nothing to do with it.

c montgomery

mattock wrote: »

Kernan was lucky to escape with a yellow for the exact same challenge, that d1ck head Brolly is a disaster as a pundit, does anyone like him.

Think Padraig Hughes is doing a great job on the Kerry/Cork game.

You must be listening to it on radio rather than watching it on TV. No way u could think the ref is having a good game!

An Citeog

c montgomery wrote: »

You must be listening to it on radio rather than watching it on TV. No way u could think the ref is having a good game!

Kevin McStay said it during commentary aswell but he was wrong.

keane2097

corny wrote: »

Do you send him off because of the injury?

For me his intention was a good shoulder which he slightly mistimed. Give him a yellow card and get on with it.

Intention has no place in rulebooks imo as it is completely impossible to know for sure.

AFAIK, in rugby union, "reckless" and "deliberate" are each seen as as bad as one another and I agree completely with this philosophy.

Regardless of intent, that challenge today was reckless and dangerous and warrented a red card.

Every other card handed out in that game was a joke however.

ShamoBuc

Tackles like that should be a red card - simple as. Whether the player gets mildly or badly injured , or intent or not, it is a red card offence. Serious damage could be done with a tackle like that ( even without intent ).

corny

keane2097 wrote: »

Intention has no place in rulebooks imo as it is completely impossible to know for sure.

AFAIK, in rugby union, "reckless" and "deliberate" are each seen as as bad as one another and I agree completely with this philosophy.

Regardless of intent, that challenge today was reckless and dangerous and warrented a red card.

Every other card handed out in that game was a joke however.

Not at all. He went in to shoulder the man shoulder to shoulder but got it slightly wrong. It was clear and any decent referee can tell the difference and when the niggle is creeping in. Up to that point in the match there was nothing but decent football played and not the usual Ulster football brutality. Mallon lined up his man for a shoulder and got it slightly wrong. It happens. There was no need to ruin the game and send the lad off. A talking to and a yellow card would have sufficed. I don't care what the rulebook says, common sense should prevail. I emphasise should there because common sense is slowly being removed from the game. In its place we have an absolute blind adherence to a set of rules that doesn't seem to take in the fact that the game is played by young men, at a fast pace and sometimes **** happens.

There was another nothing sending off in the Limerick V Waterford match where a man went up for the ball with his arm slightly raised and got sent off. It was obvious he was trying to use the arm to get airborne but no the rulebook says contact with the face and you're off. Ridiculous.

BTW what you said about union isn't correct, at least in practice its not correct. Referees, Nigel Owens, for example, tends to take intent into the equation when punishing foul play. Far more than Football or Soccer refs do.

mattock

corny wrote: »

I don't care what the rulebook says, common sense should prevail. .

Here is the problem, the likes of you dont care what the rule book says lets fcuk it in the bin, and let common sense prevail.
Not once is common sense mentioned in any rule within the GAA.

Have you ever refereed a championship football or hurling match at any level ?
The players playing in these games from junior up to all ireland level will try to win at any cost.

You also said "He went in to shoulder the man shoulder to shoulder but got it slightly wrong", its a bit like having a crash when your just over the double white line, what judge would let you off if you said "I got it slightly wrong".

I have seen Keith Barr (Dub) shouldering Michàel Malone (Lù) straight on in the chest and he never played football again, its a sneaky dangerous tackle that most hard players will use to hurt there opponents and then use the excuse it was a fair shoulder, and the refs seem to be clamping down on it this year and about time.

corny

mattock wrote: »

Here is the problem, the likes of you dont care what the rule book says lets fcuk it in the bin, and let common sense prevail.
Not once is common sense mentioned in any rule within the GAA.

Have you ever refereed a championship football or hurling match at any level ?
The players playing in these games from junior up to all ireland level will try to win at any cost.

You also said "He went in to shoulder the man shoulder to shoulder but got it slightly wrong", its a bit like having a crash when your just over the double white line, what judge would let you off if you said "I got it slightly wrong".

I have seen Keith Barr (Dub) shouldering Michàel Malone (Lù) straight on in the chest and he never played football again, its a sneaky dangerous tackle that most hard players will use to hurt there opponents and then use the excuse it was a fair shoulder, and the refs seem to be clamping down on it this year and about time.

Lots of nonsense there but lets get one thing straight Mallon didn't go in to shoulder Woods in the chest and end his career. He was given a hospital pass and Mallon saw an opportunity to legally shoulder the man and win the ball. In a split second he got it wrong. If you've played football you know it can happen. Now you're advocating ruining a game of football for a mistimed tackle and i'm saying the referee should use discretion and tell the player to watch himself in future.

The likes of you can add the use of discretion to the rule book if you like, it would make for a more entertaining spectacle.

keane2097

corny wrote: »

Lots of nonsense there but lets get one thing straight Mallon didn't go in to shoulder Woods in the chest and end his career. He was given a hospital pass and Mallon saw an opportunity to legally shoulder the man and win the ball. In a split second he got it wrong. If you've played football you know it can happen. Now you're advocating ruining a game of football for a mistimed tackle and i'm saying the referee should use discretion and tell the player to watch himself in future.

The likes of you can add the use of discretion to the rule book if you like, it would make for a more entertaining spectacle.

I agree with you about common sense needing to be applied.

Philosophically, I don't think you and I differ in how we would like games to be reffed at all.

This particular challenge though, I think warrented a yellow card because it was reckless and dangerous as well as being mistimed.

In an amatuer game where guys have to go to work the next morning players should have the right to expect not to be on the receiving end of challenges which have real potential to seriously endanger their health (tbh that should be true regardless of professional/amatuer status).

The challenge by Mallon could easily have broken a nose or a jaw or caused a concussion etc. That's not good enough imo.

corny

keane2097 wrote: »

I agree with you about common sense needing to be applied.

Philosophically, I don't think you and I differ in how we would like games to be reffed at all.

This particular challenge though, I think warrented a yellow card because it was reckless and dangerous as well as being mistimed.

In an amatuer game where guys have to go to work the next morning players should have the right to expect not to be on the receiving end of challenges which have real potential to seriously endanger their health (tbh that should be true regardless of professional/amatuer status).

The challenge by Mallon could easily have broken a nose or a jaw or caused a concussion etc. That's not good enough imo.

We play a game that allows, or at least did allow, an element of physicality though. Its unreasonable to expect injuries won't follow. A shoulder is legal and if you go in as hard as possible shoulder to shoulder the referee should wave play on. Knowing that, its then unreasonable to think every time a man goes for a shoulder he's gonna get it right every time. He's not. Sometimes you're gonna get instances like yesterday and worse. You're then left with the decision do i effectively ruin the game as a contest for both teams and supporters and send the man off or do i realise the man tried his best, got it wrong and warn him?

I'm not being facetious here but if lads are worried about getting injured they should play field hockey or something. Most of them wouldn't want to wrapped in cotton wool anyway.

keane2097

corny wrote: »

We play a game that allows, or at least did allow, an element of physicality though. Its unreasonable to expect injuries won't follow. A shoulder is legal and if you go in as hard as possible shoulder to shoulder the referee should wave play on. Knowing that, its then unreasonable to think every time a man goes for a shoulder he's gonna get it right every time. He's not. Sometimes you're gonna get instances like yesterday and worse. You're then left with the decision do i effectively ruin the game as a contest for both teams and supporters and send the man off or do i realise the man tried his best, got it wrong and warn him?

I didn't say you can't expect injuries. Of course if you play there is a level of risk, there has to be.

And physicality is fine, hard hitting is fine etc.

There's a line though, and heavy blows to the head are simply a step too far.

If you time it right and it's shoulder to shoulder go ahead and hit as hard as you want.

If you, however, decide that you're going to sacrifice the accuracy of your hit in favour of getting as much vigour as you possibly can into it then you have to expect to be suitably punished.

IMO, the punishment for such a dangerous mistake should be a red card.

If it means the player has to either practise his technique better so he doesn't mistime shoulder charges then so be it, if he has to exercise a smidgen of restraint so he actually connects properly with his target then so be it too.

Players can't be given a license to just throw as much force behind a blow as they can possibly muster - there has to be an element of control related to how accurate the technique will be.

If a guy can't carry out the technique with 100% of his power behind it, then he shouldn't be attempting it on another player, or at least if he insists on doing so he should be aware that the punishment for such a dangerous mistake is to get his marching orders.

corny wrote: »

I'm not being facetious here but if lads are worried about getting injured they should play field hockey or something. Most of them wouldn't want to wrapped in cotton wool anyway.

Lol at suggesting field hockey as a safe sport.

corny

keane2097 wrote: »

I didn't say you can't expect injuries. Of course if you play there is a level of risk, there has to be.

And physicality is fine, hard hitting is fine etc.

There's a line though, and heavy blows to the head are simply a step too far.

If you time it right and it's shoulder to shoulder go ahead and hit as hard as you want.

If you, however, decide that you're going to sacrifice the accuracy of your hit in favour of getting as much vigour as you possibly can into it then you have to expect to be suitably punished.

IMO, the punishment for such a dangerous mistake should be a red card.

If it means the player has to either practise his technique better so he doesn't mistime shoulder charges then so be it, if he has to exercise a smidgen of restraint so he actually connects properly with his target then so be it too.

Players can't be given a license to just throw as much force behind a blow as they can possibly muster - there has to be an element of control related to how accurate the technique will be.

If a guy can't carry out the technique with 100% of his power behind it, then he shouldn't be attempting it on another player, or at least if he insists on doing so he should be aware that the punishment for such a dangerous mistake is to get his marching orders.



Lol at suggesting field hockey as a safe sport.

This is where we disagree. If you don't time it right you advocate a red card but i'd just give the yellow.

I know nothing about field hockey btw:) Maybe basketball instead.

Clareman

keane2097 wrote: »

AFAIK, in rugby union, "reckless" and "deliberate" are each seen as as bad as one another and I agree completely with this philosophy.

Not comparing apples with apples here. GAA have rules that have to be applied, Rugby has laws that need to be interpreted

keane2097

corny wrote: »

This is where we disagree. If you don't time it right you advocate a red card but i'd just give the yellow.

I know nothing about field hockey btw:) Maybe basketball instead.

Yeah, like I said, I think we just disagree on this particular type of incident rather than on refereeing, application of common sense etc. in general.

I just think that a mistimed shoulder is potentially so dangerous that players need to be seriously disincentivised from going for shoulders recklessly.

keane2097

Clareman wrote: »

Not comparing apples with apples here. GAA have rules that have to be applied, Rugby has laws that need to be interpreted

How does laws versus rules invalidate the idea that reckless and deliberate are as bad as one another?

The apples versus apples thing is a bit of a cop out imo.

Clareman

keane2097 wrote: »

How does laws versus rules invalidate the idea that reckless and deliberate are as bad as one another?

The apples versus apples thing is a bit of a cop out imo.

Rules have to be applied, you can't decide to use some of them and not others, they also have set penalties for offences, laws are open to interruption and the ref can apply the penalty to suit the crime. A good example can be tackling a player in the air, it can be a sending off, yellow card, penalty or ignored, depending on the circumstances

keane2097

Clareman wrote: »

Rules have to be applied, you can't decide to use some of them and not others, they also have set penalties for offences, laws are open to interruption and the ref can apply the penalty to suit the crime. A good example can be tackling a player in the air, it can be a sending off, yellow card, penalty or ignored, depending on the circumstances

I have no problem with any of this.

The idea of applying the same penalties to a "reckless" foul as to a "malicious" foul is not affected by anything you've said there.

Clareman

keane2097 wrote: »

I have no problem with any of this.

The idea of applying the same penalties to a "reckless" foul as to a "malicious" foul is not affected by anything you've said there.

There is no such thing as a reckless foul, it's either a foul or not and it will have the penalty applied to it as outlined in the rule book, the ref can't interpret the foul to be reckless or malicious, he can only deem it a foul or not.

Clear as mud I know

keane2097

Clareman wrote: »

There is no such thing as a reckless foul, it's either a foul or not and it will have the penalty applied to it as outlined in the rule book, the ref can't interpret the foul to be reckless or malicious, he can only deem it a foul or not.

Clear as mud I know

Ok, I follow you now.

That's very stupid imo.

Clareman

Laws I feel are better at the higher level of games as you have better players and better refs so you have respect and understanding. At lower levels or underage it is far easier to have set rules/penalties so everyone knows where they stand, removes a lot of room for controversy.

An Citeog

Clareman wrote: »

There is no such thing as a reckless foul, it's either a foul or not and it will have the penalty applied to it as outlined in the rule book, the ref can't interpret the foul to be reckless or malicious, he can only deem it a foul or not.

Clear as mud I know

It can be deemed a yellow or red card offence though, yeah?

Clareman

An Citeog wrote: »

It can be deemed a yellow or red card offence though, yeah?

Not as far as I am aware, I don't have this years rule book, but from last year

RULE 5 - AGGRESSIVE FOULS
5.1 To strike or to attempt to strike an opponent
with head, arm, elbow, hand or knee.
5.2 To strike or to attempt to strike an opponent
with a hurley, with minimal force.
5.3 To strike an opponent with a hurley, either with
force or causing injury.
5.4 To attempt to strike an opponent with a hurley,
with force.
5.5 To kick or attempt to kick an opponent, with
minimal force.
5.6 To kick an opponent, either with force or
causing injury.
5.7 To attempt to kick an opponent, with force.
5.8 To stamp on an opponent.
5.9 To behave in any way which is dangerous to
an opponent.
5.10 To inflict injury recklessly on an opponent by
means other than these stated above.
5.11 To spit at an opponent.
5.12 To contribute to a melee.
5.13 To strike, attempt to strike, to interfere with,
or to use threatening or abuse language or
conduct to a Match Official.
5.14 To assault an opposing Team Official.
Penalty for the above Fouls -
(i) Order offender off.
(ii) Free puck from where Foul occurred,
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.

mattock

The above are rules of hurling but they are basically the same as the football rules, except with the use hurley which adds more rules to each section.

The rules of Gaelic games are very easy but they need to be adhered to fully, and yes everyone makes mistakes and when refereeing you will not see everything that goes on around you.
Both referees done well in yesterdays TV matches, Hughes kept a tight rein on the kerry/cork match which always has a tendency to explode, while Sludden should have been man enough to send off Kernan.

keane2097

mattock wrote: »

The above are rules of hurling but they are basically the same as the football rules, except with the use hurley which adds more rules to each section.

The rules of Gaelic games are very easy but they need to be adhered to fully, and yes everyone makes mistakes and when refereeing you will not see everything that goes on around you.
Both referees done well in yesterdays TV matches, Hughes kept a tight rein on the kerry/cork match which always has a tendency to explode, while Sludden should have been man enough to send off Kernan.

I think you must be crazy tbh.

Clareman

Personally I think refs are on a hiding to nothing, I've been a ref, mainly because I couldn't play anymore and wanted to stay involved, I always like it to being a goal keeper, you can make a small mistake and get away with it (dodgy puck out), you can make a small mistake and get away with it (let the ball roll wide when not sure), you can make a technical error (puck out from outside the square) and get away with it (wide from 65 or cost a Munster Championship), or you can drop the ball into the net and have everyone talk about it, no ref goes out to have a bad performance or to make a mistake, games are played by humans and officiated by humans, it what makes them so great

Shane10

lads i dont know what about ye but i find myself p1ssed off watching the game these days. every silly little tug or slight challenge and the refs are blowing up for a foul. im sick of it. and this stupid stupid rule for the handpass. how can someone in the top end of the GAA look at this and think this is good for the game. what nutjob wanted to bring this in.WHY!!

we all want to see a bit of physical stuff in the game as long as its fair. you cant touch a player now. in the mon v armagh game the ref yellow carded a player(cant recall his name) and it was like the first few mins and i remember thinking what the hell was that for ref. most refs seem to just play it by the rule book forgetting about any bit of common sense. brolly was right slating the ref.

keane2097

Shane10 wrote: »

we all want to see a bit of physical stuff in the game as long as its fair. you cant touch a player now. in the mon v armagh game the ref yellow carded a player(cant recall his name) and it was like the first few mins and i remember thinking what the hell was that for ref. most refs seem to just play it by the rule book forgetting about any bit of common sense. brolly was right slating the ref.

I agree completely with this game.

I remember commenting about this game that it was the most open Ulster Championship game I have possibly ever seen, yet an insane SIX Monaghan players were booked in the first 25 minutes, all that I can remember for completely innocuous fouls.

Refs seem to have abandoned the idea that a free kick is the punishment for a foul. It seems that now a yellow card is the punishment for almost any foul, with the free kick just an incidental bonus.

As Brolly says, the ordinary GAA persons mantra now ought to simply by "Let them play!"

macadam

Six Monaghan men booked in the first 25 mins yet none of them sent off, so they got there warning and played on sticking to the rules which added to the game and helped it flow.

The reason the yellow cards were brought in was to stop the persistant fouling especially by backs on forwards.
There is only one tackle in gaelic football and that is the shoulder to shoulder charge, every other tackle is on the ball with the open hand.

Clareman

As the game evolves the rules are being changed accordingly, 1 of the biggest problems a while back was consistent fouling, now you're let a couple of fouls, then you get a card, teams are just getting other people to do the fouling and adjusting accordingly, there was a disgraceful match a couple of years ago when 10 or something players were sent off (why do I think Carlow were playing?). Now 1 of the biggest problems is teams overplaying the handpass, not only are they keeping possession but they are drawing fouls to get people sent off, the new handpass rule is an attempt to stop the handpass epidemic

keane2097

Obv punishing persistant fouling is something we want.

What we have though in a lot of cases unfortunately is players getting sent off for two fouls of a sort that they really ought not to be sent off till they've done it four times.

I think yellows are handed out too easily basically, just my opinion.

Clareman

Personally I think they've missed the boat on the whole sin bin thing. I think they should have brought in a sin bin (10 minutes, no replacement) for someone for 2 yellows, third yellow would be a red, or still dangerous play would be a red card, or double yellow, but that's just my opinion.

I also think that there should be different rules for intercounty that club, especially in trial by media that we have now, refs at intercounty level should meet with teams before games to explain what they'll punish and what they'll go, also have 2 captains on each team, 1 in backs 1 in the forwards, who the ref will speak to when something happens during a game, e.g. warn your full back I know he's pulling the guy off the ball, if he does it again I'll bin him.

Sorry for taking the thread slightly off topic, but refs are too confined imvho, they are adults judging adults, they should be able to respect each other and have clear 2 way conversation

keane2097

I agree 100% with all of this.

Great post IMO.

Clareman wrote: »

Personally I think they've missed the boat on the whole sin bin thing. I think they should have brought in a sin bin (10 minutes, no replacement) for someone for 2 yellows, third yellow would be a red, or still dangerous play would be a red card, or double yellow, but that's just my opinion.

I also think that there should be different rules for intercounty that club, especially in trial by media that we have now, refs at intercounty level should meet with teams before games to explain what they'll punish and what they'll go, also have 2 captains on each team, 1 in backs 1 in the forwards, who the ref will speak to when something happens during a game, e.g. warn your full back I know he's pulling the guy off the ball, if he does it again I'll bin him.

Sorry for taking the thread slightly off topic, but refs are too confined imvho, they are adults judging adults, they should be able to respect each other and have clear 2 way conversation

mattock

keane2097 wrote: »

Obv punishing persistant fouling is something we want.

What we have though in a lot of cases unfortunately is players getting sent off for two fouls of a sort that they really ought not to be sent off till they've done it four times.

I think yellows are handed out too easily basically, just my opinion.

And you thought I was crazy .....

So what your saying is a full back can pull down an attacking forward four times before he gets sent off, you could never control the game if this was the case.
Not been smart here but have you ever seen or read the official guide for gaelic games.

Clareman

mattock wrote: »

And you thought I was crazy .....

So what your saying is a full back can pull down an attacking forward four times before he gets sent off, you could never control the game if this was the case.
Not been smart here but have you ever seen or read the official guide for gaelic games.

There is a difference in the fouls that are being enforced though, again all I know is hurling, but from the below

5.29 (a) To push an opponent with the hand(s) or
hurley
Penalty for the above Fouls –
(i) Free Puck from where Foul occurred,
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.
(ii) Caution offender for persistently
committing such Fouls. Order off
for further repetition

5.17 To pull down an opponent.
PENALTY FOR ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Caution offender; order off for second
cautionable foul.
(ii) Free puck from where the foul occurred
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.

You can see that 2 similar offences can have different penalties, you can only pull a player down twice, you can push a player 4 times, it can be difficult to see the difference

Clareman

By the way, I think there wouldn't be a player left on the pitch if every rule was applied correctly, there definitely wouldn't be any free flowing play at any stage.

keane2097

mattock wrote: »

And you thought I was crazy .....

So what your saying is a full back can pull down an attacking forward four times before he gets sent off, you could never control the game if this was the case.

That's not what I'm saying at all. If you want you can post the bit that gave you that impression and I can clarify.

At a high level, my contention is that yellow cards are given too easily, and that either the severity of fouls they are given for needs to be changed or, as Clareman has suggested, you should need to receive more (three probably) to be sent off.

mattock wrote: »

Not been smart here but have you ever seen or read the official guide for gaelic games.

Nope I haven't. And I can tell you before you go quoting from any of it that I don't give a damn about what's written in it.

It's not possible for there to be anything in that book that could make me look at last weekend's games and say "That's the way a game should be reffed".

What you might get me to say is "that's the way the book says the game should be reffed" in which case I would suggest a MacBain course of action.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7llLFbV97bs