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Limerick Girls - Buns, Hoops and luminous Clothes?

  • 03-06-2010 8:53am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,929 ✭✭✭


    Was anyone watching Henry McKean's Travellers documentary on TV3 last night?

    When asked about the Travellers distinctive choice of certain type of clothing one of the Traveller Girls pointed out that if she goes to Limerick then there are so many Girls wearing Hoopy Earrings, Buns in their hair and luminous Clothes that you can't tell who is a Traveller and who isn't.

    - So what do ye think? Is this the impression Visitors get when they spend time in Limerick?

    P.S. This post is not intended to be 'anti-Traveller' in any regard - I was just wondering what other People though of the comment and views expressed etc.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,920 ✭✭✭AnCapaillMor


    Big hoop earrings definately, can spot a pikey miles away with those.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭flutered


    one does not require sherlock homes to figure them out, especially when they speak


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,361 ✭✭✭Itsdacraic


    "Boiled In Oil"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 96 ✭✭jolter


    those hoopy earrings can also be also be used as leg rests:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭Stab*City


    Raiser wrote: »
    So what do ye think?

    Another pointless thread. Also that programme was a repeat.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,826 ✭✭✭phill106


    I have noticed a lot of white tshirts with luminous pink bra's visible underneath due to the shocking colour. That the new style? Was there a memo?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭dave 27


    pff, load of crap..the Irish are the only race in the world that can distinguish between social classes..in the sence that if im walking down town, I immediately know if they are a traveller just by looking at their face, the clothes they wear (revealing tank top), boots, really tanned, accent, everything..u just know straight away..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭bullets


    With regards to accents in Limerick alone there is a heck of a lot
    of accents (can think of about 9-10 different sounding Limerick ones)

    ~B


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭gbee


    Raiser wrote: »
    - So what do ye think? Is this the impression Visitors get when they spend time in Limerick?.

    Yes, I always thought that Limerick was a Traveller City ~ like some English Lord banned them all to some place and Limerick was their City now.

    As a boy, my older brother used to drive to Limerick to see the huge traveller houses and miles and miles of caravans.

    As I said, I genuinely thought Limerick was a Traveller City.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,861 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    gbee wrote: »
    Yes, I always thought that Limerick was a Traveller City ~ like some English Lord banned them all to some place and Limerick was their City now.

    As a boy, my older brother used to drive to Limerick to see the huge traveller houses and miles and miles of caravans.

    As I said, I genuinely thought Limerick was a Traveller City.

    Rathkeale isn't Limerick. Thankfully.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 709 ✭✭✭ClutchIt


    gbee wrote: »
    Yes, I always thought that Limerick was a Traveller City ~ like some English Lord banned them all to some place and Limerick was their City now.

    As a boy, my older brother used to drive to Limerick to see the huge traveller houses and miles and miles of caravans.

    As I said, I genuinely thought Limerick was a Traveller City.

    Your not the smartest then are you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    ClutchIt wrote: »
    Your not the smartest then are you?

    Irony kids, its fun :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    Yes, every girl in Limerick dresses like that...

    It's an important topic alright.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,097 ✭✭✭✭zuroph


    thread needs moar photos.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,929 ✭✭✭Raiser


    zuroph wrote: »
    thread needs moar photos.

    image005.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭Jenneke87


    Owh dear.......:eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,811 ✭✭✭✭billy the squid


    Big hoop earrings definately, can spot a pikey miles away with those.

    Banned - 1 month


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭dave 27


    as i mentioned, we can all differentiate between the look of a traveller and the look of a knacker..the minute you see these, you know there are travellers, simply because of the way they look and dress.

    IT.jpg

    Traveller+Wedding.jpg

    wedding.jpg

    gypsy2.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭gbee


    ClutchIt wrote: »
    Your not the smartest then are you?

    I see you're not the smartest either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Limerick_Lass


    what exactly is the point of this thread???


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    what exactly is the point of this thread???

    It's a place for the shut-in's to rail against all the injustice in the world today, if only we had Termights back to distract them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭Roadend


    dave 27 wrote: »
    as i mentioned, we can all differentiate between the look of a traveller and the look of a knacker..the minute you see these, you know there are travellers, simply because of the way they look and dress.

    gypsy2.jpg

    From this pic I would definitely only have known these were travellers because of the way they are dressed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,106 ✭✭✭✭TestTransmission


    what exactly is the point of this thread???

    Poking fun at a ethnic minority by the looks of it,doesn't belong in here tbh


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,929 ✭✭✭Raiser


    Poking fun at a ethnic minority by the looks of it,doesn't belong in here tbh

    Nah it was never meant to offend or upset anyone......

    - It is a bit dire though - I apologise on that front :o

    Mods please do the humane thing and lock this before it gets any worse !!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,804 ✭✭✭pappyodaniel


    Pavee beures... tbh, I haven't seen much of this around Limerick, well only on one occasion at a traveller's wedding. What irks me most, and is way more prevalent is the young ones hangin' around wearing pyjamas. I mean some of them have their make-up and hair done to the 9s but they won't take that extra step and put on a pair of pants or skirt. :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,811 ✭✭✭✭billy the squid


    well if the pyjama thing offends you, prepare yourself.

    underwear as outerwear is the "in thing " aparantly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭LimerickCity


    In fairness i do not see many of the traveling community walking the street in their pyjamas unlike some of the many Limerick people who reside in permanent addresses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭jimoc


    Apparently you can now buy clothes that just LOOK like pajamas but aren't so now we can't even tell the lazy slobs from the fashion victims anymore!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭RonMexico


    In fairness i do not see many of the traveling community walking the street in their pyjamas unlike some of the many Limerick people who reside in permanent addresses.

    A fair few of whom are settled travellers.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,267 ✭✭✭concussion


    Poking fun at a ethnic minority by the looks of it,doesn't belong in here tbh
    Roadend wrote: »
    From this pic I would definitely only have known these were travellers because of the way they are dressed

    The Travelling Community are (is?) not an ethnic minority.

    Not all people who live in caravans are travellers.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    Roadend wrote: »
    From this pic I would definitely only have known these were travellers because of the way they are dressed
    you still would!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    Rathkeale isn't Limerick. Thankfully.
    Give me the travellers in Rathkeale over the pikeys in the city any day! I've never seen the ERU out this way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭SarahBeep!


    grenache wrote: »
    Give me the travellers in Rathkeale over the pikeys in the city any day! I've never seen the ERU out this way.

    You're dead right!
    Went to a city centre 'disadvantaged' school with some of the NICEST Travellers you could EVER meet. At one stage a certain pair of sisters moved with their family down to Cork but ther Ma moved them back because they were treating like crap down there and thet'd never even been thrown dirty looks in my school(which isn't a very friendly place). Another family of Traveller sisters ALL graduated becaue they were finally given the leearning support they needed after years of the attitude of 'if we leave him/her down the back of the class room long enough they'll drop out' and primary school teachers are EXTREMELY guilty of. These girls never caused an ounce of trouble wen girls from 'respectible' families were getting hauled into the principal every day of the week. 'Designer Scumbags' are all the people who're from respectible areas, respectible pareants who have no idea what their little darling is up to. They just wear Air Max, drape themselves in gold rings and crucifixes having never been to mass a day in their lives and start fights because it's done by the actual scumbags who're considered 'cool'.

    Actual scumbags cause all the damn trouble. They're left do to whatever they want because their parents couldn't give a flying frenchman as to what they get up to. These are the people who mug grannies, beat people up, break into houses, burn out cars they've stolen and driven around for a few hours, they fire chairs at teachers when they bother turning up (late) to school smelling like stale cigarette smoke at 13/14.

    I've never EVER had a bad word said to me by a member of the travelling community but I took **** from scumbags, as did all my friends, all through school. I distinctly remember a 'Designer Scumbag' starting on me one day and grabbing my by my hair and lacing into me. Yet who gets the blame when a teacher stolls in? Not gonna say I didn't hit her back, but the school couldn't be arsed dealing with one of that crowd because they knew the rest would kick off.

    I think Travellers are being unfairly blamed for the work of scumbags and it's not the first time either.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭donutheadhomer


    jimoc wrote: »
    Apparently you can now buy clothes that just LOOK like pajamas but aren't so now we can't even tell the lazy slobs from the fashion victims anymore!!!

    There is a GP on ennis rd that has a sign in waiting room saying, no PJ allowed as unhygenic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    SarahBeep! wrote: »
    You're dead right!
    Went to a city centre 'disadvantaged' school with some of the NICEST Travellers you could EVER meet. At one stage a certain pair of sisters moved with their family down to Cork but ther Ma moved them back because they were treating like crap down there and thet'd never even been thrown dirty looks in my school(which isn't a very friendly place). Another family of Traveller sisters ALL graduated becaue they were finally given the leearning support they needed after years of the attitude of 'if we leave him/her down the back of the class room long enough they'll drop out' and primary school teachers are EXTREMELY guilty of. These girls never caused an ounce of trouble wen girls from 'respectible' families were getting hauled into the principal every day of the week. 'Designer Scumbags' are all the people who're from respectible areas, respectible pareants who have no idea what their little darling is up to. They just wear Air Max, drape themselves in gold rings and crucifixes having never been to mass a day in their lives and start fights because it's done by the actual scumbags who're considered 'cool'.

    Actual scumbags cause all the damn trouble. They're left do to whatever they want because their parents couldn't give a flying frenchman as to what they get up to. These are the people who mug grannies, beat people up, break into houses, burn out cars they've stolen and driven around for a few hours, they fire chairs at teachers when they bother turning up (late) to school smelling like stale cigarette smoke at 13/14.

    I've never EVER had a bad word said to me by a member of the travelling community but I took **** from scumbags, as did all my friends, all through school. I distinctly remember a 'Designer Scumbag' starting on me one day and grabbing my by my hair and lacing into me. Yet who gets the blame when a teacher stolls in? Not gonna say I didn't hit her back, but the school couldn't be arsed dealing with one of that crowd because they knew the rest would kick off.

    I think Travellers are being unfairly blamed for the work of scumbags and it's not the first time either.



    Being a traveller does not equal being a scumbag.

    For me, a person's actions and attitudes are what define a person as a scumbag and not where they are from in terms of locality or background.

    Are some travellers scumbags?

    Yes some are, just as there are scumbags from pretty much every other walk of life.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,421 ✭✭✭bluedolphin


    concussion wrote: »
    The Travelling Community are (is?) not an ethnic minority.

    Not all people who live in caravans are travellers.

    I really have to take issue with this. The Irish Government has thus far failed to recognise the Travelling Community as a distinct ethnic group (because it would obligate certain spending). However, not only do Travelling bodies lobby for the end of this denial, but the Irish Equality Authority and the Irish Human Rights Commission are both also calling on the government to recognise the ethnicity of Travellers.
    An ethnic group...
    …is largely biologically self-perpetuating; shares fundamental cultural values, realized in overt unity in cultural forms; makes up a field of communication and interaction; has a membership which identifies itself, and is identified by others, as constituting a category distinguishable from other categories of the same order.
    Narroll cited in Frederick Barth, (ed.), Ethnic Groups and Boundaries: The Social Organisation of Culture Difference (Bergen, 1969), pp.10-11.

    Travellers only marry within the Travelling community; they have a number of cultural and social values that distinguish them from the settled community (including nomadism and their own language, Cant/Gammon) and, most importantly, recognise themselves as being distinct from other communities (which is important in ensuring that they will not be overrun by the dominant ethnicity [i.e. the Irish settled community]). While Travellers bear many similarities with the dominant ethnicity - such as being white and Roman Catholic - they are, undeniably, a distinct group within Irish society.

    Northern Ireland (and the rest of the UK) recognises Irish Travellers as an ethnic minority... The implications are very real in cases of discrimination as well as the application of the EU Race Directive.

    The Irish State has operated a policy of 'absorption', essentially, so as to create a nice, white, Roman Catholic settled homogenous society. This is not reality.

    If Travellers were recognised as a distinct ethnic group, it would go a long way in alleviating the misunderstandings that exist in Irish society.

    And to make my point relevant to the OP, Travellers' dress sense is definitely a cultural distinction :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,811 ✭✭✭✭billy the squid


    grenache wrote: »
    Give me the travellers in Rathkeale over the pikeys in the city any day! I've never seen the ERU out this way.

    Banned - 1 Month


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    I really have to take issue with this. The Irish Government has thus far failed to recognise the Travelling Community as a distinct ethnic group (because it would obligate certain spending). However, not only do Travelling bodies lobby for the end of this denial, but the Irish Equality Authority and the Irish Human Rights Commission are both also calling on the government to recognise the ethnicity of Travellers.
    An ethnic group...

    Narroll cited in Frederick Barth, (ed.), Ethnic Groups and Boundaries: The Social Organisation of Culture Difference (Bergen, 1969), pp.10-11.

    Travellers only marry within the Travelling community; they have a number of cultural and social values that distinguish them from the settled community (including nomadism and their own language, Cant/Gammon) and, most importantly, recognise themselves as being distinct from other communities (which is important in ensuring that they will not be overrun by the dominant ethnicity [i.e. the Irish settled community]). While Travellers bear many similarities with the dominant ethnicity - such as being white and Roman Catholic - they are, undeniably, a distinct group within Irish society.

    Northern Ireland (and the rest of the UK) recognises Irish Travellers as an ethnic minority... The implications are very real in cases of discrimination as well as the application of the EU Race Directive.

    The Irish State has operated a policy of 'absorption', essentially, so as to create a nice, white, Roman Catholic settled homogenous society. This is not reality.

    If Travellers were recognised as a distinct ethnic group, it would go a long way in alleviating the misunderstandings that exist in Irish society.

    And to make my point relevant to the OP, Travellers' dress sense is definitely a cultural distinction :)



    If travellers only marry within the travelling community, how did a number of travellers get married to members of certain families in the Weston area?

    That's not a dig by the way, it is a genuine question.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,421 ✭✭✭bluedolphin


    Kess73 wrote: »
    If travellers only marry within the travelling community, how did a number of travellers get married to members of certain families in the Weston area?

    That's not a dig by the way, it is a genuine question.

    Fair point. I should have probably said it is a general rule that Travellers only get married within their community; there are, of course, exceptions, but it is mostly definitely a preference within the Travelling community to marry within the Travelling community. Also, I don't know the families in Weston to whom you are referring, but are they settled Travellers, just out of interest? I don't know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭hightower1


    I really have to take issue with this. The Irish Government has thus far failed to recognise the Travelling Community as a distinct ethnic group (because it would obligate certain spending). However, not only do Travelling bodies lobby for the end of this denial, but the Irish Equality Authority and the Irish Human Rights Commission are both also calling on the government to recognise the ethnicity of Travellers.
    An ethnic group...

    Narroll cited in Frederick Barth, (ed.), Ethnic Groups and Boundaries: The Social Organisation of Culture Difference (Bergen, 1969), pp.10-11.

    Travellers only marry within the Travelling community; they have a number of cultural and social values that distinguish them from the settled community (including nomadism and their own language, Cant/Gammon) and, most importantly, recognise themselves as being distinct from other communities (which is important in ensuring that they will not be overrun by the dominant ethnicity [i.e. the Irish settled community]). While Travellers bear many similarities with the dominant ethnicity - such as being white and Roman Catholic - they are, undeniably, a distinct group within Irish society.

    Northern Ireland (and the rest of the UK) recognises Irish Travellers as an ethnic minority... The implications are very real in cases of discrimination as well as the application of the EU Race Directive.

    The Irish State has operated a policy of 'absorption', essentially, so as to create a nice, white, Roman Catholic settled homogenous society. This is not reality.

    If Travellers were recognised as a distinct ethnic group, it would go a long way in alleviating the misunderstandings that exist in Irish society.

    And to make my point relevant to the OP, Travellers' dress sense is definitely a cultural distinction :)

    Ah come off it will ya! their no more an ethnic minority than the man on the moon, use a pinch of common sense for gods sake, sure fire counts as a form of life as it fits all the required criteria "ON PAPER" but anyone with common sense knows fire is not a form of life. ffs.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    Fair point. I should have probably said it is a general rule that Travellers only get married within their community; there are, of course, exceptions, but it is mostly definitely a preference within the Travelling community to marry within the Travelling community. Also, I don't know the families in Weston to whom you are referring, but are they settled Travellers, just out of interest? I don't know.


    One is trying to claim that he is a genuine traveller of late, but I suspect that is more to have a reason to cry discrimination when he gets searched for criminal activities.

    Two of the other families are not from a traveller background though, but have criminal connections connections with the first family.

    But I was just curious, hence my question.

    I have had a little bit of interaction with travellers during my time in Limerick. One in a workplace with the person in question being a worker there, three through one of the boxing clubs, and an undetermined number in more unpleasant circumstances in retail enviroments that involved needing the gardai.

    Obviously each set of experiences were very different, and if I had only ever had the latter experience then my view on travellers might be completely blinkered, but thankfully I had the good experiences to somewhat counter the negative and provide a degree of balance.

    One thing I do disagree with is the claim of being an ethnic minority, if that claim was ever upheld, then pretty much any group of Irish people who decided they wanted to be an ethnic minority could ensure that they met the criteria as well and avail of any advantage the title presented them.

    I see travellers as Irish if they are Irish born.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭Stab*City




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,361 ✭✭✭Itsdacraic


    Stab*City wrote: »
    .

    wtf is that sh*te meant to be?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭gbee


    And to make my point relevant to the OP, Travellers' dress sense is definitely a cultural distinction :)

    No, I'd not agree entirely, we do see 'settled' non traveller background people wearing the same clothes, the only difference is WHEN they wear them.

    BOTH sets of people wear them to 'dress up' the only real difference is the travelling community seems to 'dress up' for every event. Another slight departure we find is that whilst a 'fashion trend' moves on with the settled community, the travelling community seems to stay stuck for much longer in a fashion trend and thus start to look different over time.

    Traveller men also wear a certain fashion look, that back in the twenties and thirties [of last century] would not be distinguishable from the populous fashions of the day.

    In Cork the traveller women would also have been indistinguishable wearing their shawls, the real difference was the baby under the shawl and as the shawl fell into disuse, the last of the shawlys would have been from the travelling communities.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭Stab*City


    Itsdacraic wrote: »
    wtf is that sh*te meant to be?

    It is what it is..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,429 ✭✭✭testicle


    Banned - 1 Month

    Talk about an over-reaction.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Birdie086


    I was in town the other day and all I could think was arent the scumbags bad enough without wearing luminous clothes to draw attention to themselves


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,929 ✭✭✭Raiser


    Birdie086 wrote: »
    I was in town the other day and all I could think was arent the scumbags bad enough without wearing luminous clothes to draw attention to themselves

    When's the last time you heard of Savannah O'Dowd, Shakira McNamara or Britney O'Flaherty getting hit by a Bus though?

    - They're crafty thems Wah, wah, wahs...... :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭LimerickCity


    Raiser wrote: »
    When's the last time you heard of Savannah O'Dowd, Shakira McNamara or Britney O'Flaherty getting hit by a Bus though?

    - They're crafty thems Wah, wah, wahs...... :P

    Shanique McNamara


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 858 ✭✭✭goingpostal


    Never mind all this touchy touchy, kissy kissy. Lob it in there, boss.


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