Charge for security staff

Whispered

I just noticed on teh T&C's of our wedding venue that there is a charge of €300 for hiring security staff. Is this usual? It is a venue that does not open unless there is a function so there would be no security usually there.

ThePiedPiper

Absolute chancers to be trying something like this.. I've never heard of there being security at a wedding or a charge for it. If they're trying something like this with you, who knows what other charges they're trying to get away with.. I wouldn't stand for it.

Southsider1

RunForestRun wrote: »

Absolute chancers to be trying something like this.. I've never heard of there being security at a wedding or a charge for it. If they're trying something like this with you, who knows what other charges they're trying to get away with.. I wouldn't stand for it.

Not necessarally. Most Garda districts are now requesting Judges to insist on venues applying for a bar extension having a minimum of two security men. Regardless of the function. Licenced security men/women are on €20-€25 per hour mostly so 300 would be fairly accurate. Guys and Gals, it's all very well having digs at the hotel/venue industry here but most are struggling these days and are reluctant to 'rip off' any potential clients. Equally they are not in a position to absorb costs that they may have done hitherto...

omahaid

One place we looked at explained it to us that as the hotel was in the town and as we were having a bar extension then we would need security staff to keep the various passer bys from just wandering in. Thought it was fair enough but the thought alone of having bouncers at the door just put me right off.

Whispered

For what it's worth, we haven't discussed having a bar extension. And there is no way anyone will wander in considering it is out in the middle of nowhere.

I'm very between minds whether to fight that charge or not. The fact is, having bouncers on an exclusivly booked hotel is unnecessary.

Beruthiel

Personally, I would refuse to pay.
I've enquired in a few hotels regarding having a wedding in their venue. None of them mentioned such a charge and if they had, I'd have laughed at them.

D.McC

The deployment of security personnel at any function or event, whether it’s a wedding, 21st birthday or an awards ceremony is mostly due to insurance, health & safely and of course the licence requirements.

The price quoted does seem especially high. It seems the venue has made this a condition of use, so there might be not getting around it.

I would suggest contacting the venue and enquiring if you could supply your own licensed DSP personnel.

D.McC

Southsider1 wrote: »

Not necessarally. Most Garda districts are now requesting Judges to insist on venues applying for a bar extension having a minimum of two security men. Regardless of the function. Licenced security men/women are on €20-€25 per hour mostly so 300 would be fairly accurate. Guys and Gals, it's all very well having digs at the hotel/venue industry here but most are struggling these days and are reluctant to 'rip off' any potential clients. Equally they are not in a position to absorb costs that they may have done hitherto...

The hourly rate quoted is incorrect. This may be the rate charged by the provider, but the personnel will only be earning the standard industry rate, as dictated by various ERO’s / LRC agreements. Which equals €10.01 - €10.75 per hour with additional over time payments.

The security provider will normally have their own insurance which will limit the veracious liability of the venue in certain cases.

Yawns

Also please remember it can be family members or friends who get drunk and rowdy inside a reception and cause a scene. I'd rather have the memory of a drunk friend being lobbed out on his ear than a drunk friend smashign a bottle of someones head and an ambulance being called.

1 can be forgetten to a degree, the other will ruin the whole day. And yes I have seen these things happen when working behind a bar...

300 might seem a bit much but I don't know any security staff working for only 10- 12 euro per hour as a previous poster suggested. If it's a condition of use you may have to pay it or change venue

Whispered

I can not think of any wedding or private function I have been at that had security staff.

Not only is this extra cost which nobody mentioned (I know I know always red the small print ) annoying me, but I don't like the idea of having security staff wandering around. It just looks odd imo at a private venue.

texanman

I rarely see security at a wedding. Only one hotel where I've seen security at the hotel entrance.












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JonnyTwoCombs

Well Tex, it appears you have been around a lot more weddings then I. But the venue might be attempting to limit any liabiltiy by employing DSP

Whispered

Who's liability? The hotels?

I'm sure if there was a fight for instance and something got smashed up we'd have to cover the damage anyway. It is in the contract that any damages caused would be paid for, which is fair enough. So could I then insist that THEIR security, who we have to pay for, should have been on hand to stop damages caused by that fight?

Not that I'm expecting anyone to fight but I just want to know where I stand.

Yawns

Whispered wrote: »

So could I then insist that THEIR security, who we have to pay for, should have been on hand to stop damages caused by that fight?

9 out of 10 times the security staff do prevent a fight and prevent damage being done. I have covered bar for many occasions. Birthdays, funerals, weddings, confirmations, communions, christenings etc etc

There's been at least 1 fight at each type of party. Not all parties have a fight I know, only a small handful but all it takes is 1 drunken idiot.

There was 1 birthday party for a girls 21st and her brother came up as they were blowing out the cake and he smashed a bottle into the cake cos he thought it was funny. If there was no security the father wouldn't have been restrained from kicking the ****e out of him.

As regards to who is paying for it, I don't know really. Most places I worked employed their own security staff in house. If the place doesn't have any in-house security staff then it is a contract job so will cost the hotel more for them so I can imagine them lumping the bill or part of it onto you.