France for the Wc

214horatio

I put 100 euro on them today at 18/1 to one, they have a great squad but they lack cohesion at times but i believe they will perform on the big stage
their midfield is to good to ignore.

Kod-box

REALLY can't see it, would have them down as a 25/1 shot myself.

214horatio

Are u backing anyone?

Goldcupfav

214horatio wrote: »

I put 100 euro on them today at 18/1 to one, they have a great squad but they lack cohesion at times but i believe they will perform on the big stage
their midfield is to good to ignore.

20/1 in Laddies mate!!

214horatio

which one is that?

Goldcupfav

214horatio wrote: »

which one is that?

Laddies = Ladbrokes!

Kod-box

214horatio wrote: »

Are u backing anyone?

Argentina, not that they have much better form to show than France but i think they'll get it together at the right time.

Stuffy

:eek::eek::eek:

Wave goodluck to that €100

Gourcouff and Ribery are the only v.good midfielders I can think of offhand


I hope it does come good for you though I'll say a prayer

x PyRo

Best of luck Horatio. The cream usually rises to the top, But I don't think they'll go the whole way, Could have a good chance to lay them off at a shorter price at some stage, All going well.

Cypher_sounds

I don't like saying it too loud but England have a great chance this year, that manager of theirs knows how to win games.
I wouldn't fancy France, they just dont gel well as a group of players not cohesiveness at all

Xavi6

Better off putting money on them to not get out of the group.

Uruguay ftw!

Warper

France could meet England in the 1/4's and I think France would beat England who are massively overhyped as usual, they would then play Brazil and despite their great recent record against them Brazil would be too strong. France are a decent outside bet though.

ErinGoBrath

Wow that's a brave bet.

I've watched plenty of their WC qualifying matches and the pre WC friendlies and they have been nothing short of shocking.

They seem to have lost any previous flair and ambition which could be down to the tension between the squad and Dominic(sp?).

I'll be placing a small bet for them not to get out of the group stages.

MiciG91

I would fancy France myself were it for the fact that Domenech is an complete tool and none of his players or fans respect him !

MiciG91

Cant see past Spain myself have 40 euro on them and 10 each way on Germany !

SirDelboy18

Warper wrote: »

France could meet England in the 1/4's and I think France would beat England who are massively overhyped as usual, they would then play Brazil and despite their great recent record against them Brazil would be too strong. France are a decent outside bet though.

Well for what its worth, here is my thoughts.

France are a good side. They are in a group with Mexico and Uraguay, both average with similar characteristics.

Starting from the back with Hugo Lloris, a world class goalkeeper.
Evra needs no introductions, Sagna Abidal and Gallas are no push-overs.

Ribery and Malouda ( along with Nani, the PL's most improved winger ) hugging the wings.

Bordeaux's Gourcuff and Diarra should be the centre midfield pairing, with either the exciting Valbuena or Toulalan joining if Domenech is to go with the recently utilised 4-3-3 formation.

Nic Anelka has shown he can excel in that position for Chelsea, and I am sure thet Gignac will be able to find the net too.

The fact that Henry has come out and said he will only be a bench player is a great plus. This is his last chance to make an impression, yet he has sacrificed it for the team, which I believe is an uncharacteristic display of unity in the French side.

Expect them to start slow in a group with many drawn games, but I believe they can ultimately top the group. The defence won't be intimidated by the likes of Guardado and Dos Santos or Forlan, who drops too deep IMO and the unproven Suarez. I say unproven because the dutch league is not a barometer for assessing skill level.

It would not surprise me to see France winning the competition. Nor would it surprise me to see Serbia go well, or Germany make the final, but thats a different discussion.

So good luck with your bet, and I wouldn't be surprised if you were collecting a nice wad of cash come July.;)

Atlas_IRL

I have 30 on Brazil(free bet if Spain win) and 25 on Germany(which was an accident)

Verance

I think France are far too underpriced. Average players (Yup!) and no team spirit. None of their strikers have been world class this season and I can see them shipping plenty at the back. I think I'll be backing Mexico in the group but I'm not sure in which market yet.

SirDelboy18

Verance wrote: »

I think France are far too underpriced. Average players (Yup!) and no team spirit. None of their strikers have gotten into double figures this season and I can see them shipping plenty at the back. I think I'll be backing Mexico in the group but I'm not sure in which market yet.

Could you tell me where you are getting the stats for the strikers from?

Anelka scored 11 league goals and 3 in Europe
Cisse scored 23 league goals and 5 in Europe
Gignac scored a total of 11 goals in the league and Europe combined.

Thats their 3 main strikers in double figures...

Average players, when being compared to Mexico their players are surely world beaters? Dos Santos, who played for Ipswich last year for half a season, or Ribery. Guardado or Malouda. Hernandez/Franco vs Anelka/Henry/Gignac/Cisse. I would challenge you to show me any Mexico player who is better than the France player who plays in the same position

Verance

SirDelboy18 wrote: »

Could you tell me where you are getting the stats for the strikers from?

Anelka scored 11 league goals and 3 in Europe
Cisse scored 23 league goals and 5 in Europe
Gignac scored a total of 11 goals in the league and Europe combined.

Thats their 3 main strikers in double figures...

Average players, when being compared to Mexico their players are surely world beaters? Dos Santos, who played for Ipswich last year for half a season, or Ribery. Guardado or Malouda. Hernandez/Franco vs Anelka/Henry/Gignac/Cisse. I would challenge you to show me any Mexico player who is better than the France player who plays in the same position

The source was France 24 Although I had forgotten about Cisse, easy mistake Anelka does actually have 11, Cisse 23 (In a poor league) and Gignac 8. I can't see many world class players amongst the squad, average average.
Comparing to Mexico, perhaps you could call them world beaters, I would not. If looking at them to win the competition, how many players would get on the Spanish, Brazilian, English, Argentinian teams? Not a lot I'd imagine. They'd be closer 28s/30s in my book...

raheny red

Xavi6 wrote: »

Better off putting money on them to not get out of the group.

A few weeks ago I would have agreed. Last month they were 7/2 not to qualify, only 5/2 now

Kevin11

I layed France at evens not to win the group. 13/10 now.

I am relying on a combination of a poor manager, poor morale and some dodgy refereeing decisions which they are due.

I would challenge you to show me any Mexico player who is better than the France player who plays in the same position

Swap Mexico for WC 2002 squads of Senegal Uruguay and Denmark...
Result: France finish bottom of group scoring less goals than Gary Breen!!!

Good luck with your bet but I wouldnt be too confident

SirDelboy18

I haven't made the bet, but the OP has, and I think that too many people are saying they dont have a chance, when they do.

They have a poor manager, yet they made the final of the World cup in 2006 and one could argue they could have won the shootout was Zidane still inspiring the team on the pitch.
They performed poorly at Euro 2008, yet they could easily have won the match against Holland ( who I had money on incedentally, and a lot of it ) and my heart was in my mouth until Arjen Robben finished the contest with a moment of brilliance, which was quickly replicated by Sneijder.

They came 2nd in a group with Serbia (who I believe are a fantastic outfit) in it. It doesn't matter, and neither does the play off. They made the plane and they can take advantage of a weak group

Diarra, Toulalan/Valbuena , Gourcuff is quite an intimidating midfield. Toulalan played in the semi finals of the champions league and Gourcuff and Diarra in the quarters. One could argue that Bordeaux could have progressed further, replicating their group stage form, had they not endured the collapse that many attribute to Blancs appointment as France coach.

Ribery, Anelka, Malouda.
That is something to be fearful of.

S.M.B.

For every argument supporting them there's at least two more that do the opposite imo.

Could they win the World Cup? Of course the could. Will they? I won't be backing them anyway.

Their record in the group stages the past few tournaments has been shocking and I'd imagine they'll be playing Argentina if they fail to come first.

A Uruguay - Mexico Group Straight Forecast at 14/1 is better value than France as Outright Winners imo.

paddypowder

i have 10 on them to knock out england @ 10/1

Gavin "shels"

Kevin11 wrote: »

some dodgy refereeing decisions which they are due.

It took 22 posts, but fairplay!:rolleyes:

Nulty

Dutch FTW

bookie basher

lloris
sagna gallas abidal evra
toulalan
gourcuff malouda
govou anelka ribery

now thats a team, id much prefer to put 100 on that team than serial bottlers holland or england, its a formation very similar to what chelsea use, dropping 1 of the holding midfielders for malouda is a good move, i cant think of any left wing thats as strong as evra + ribery, evra overlapping and ribery cutting in and shooting, govou is a weakness alright but i can see him getting dropped as the tournament progresses, henry might come in and anelka moves over to the right, qualifying was a struggle but they got there and now the experience will kick in, ditching bad for team morale/moaners benzema & nasri is a good move imo, now doubt on rte they will be calling domench & maradona idiots but i wouldnt be listening to too much what them lads say:D

raheny red

Nulty wrote: »

Dutch FTW

Who should he dutch them with though?

Vurnon San Benito

I've been preaching since the start of 2010 - Argentina.
Were 10/1 at one stage afaik and now at 7's if you're lucky.

Messi, Milito, Tevez, Aguero, Rodriguez.
What an attacking force and I think their defence might perform when it comes asking

SirDelboy18

Doocey wrote: »

I've been preaching since the start of 2010 - Argentina.
Were 10/1 at one stage afaik and now at 7's if you're lucky.

Messi, Milito, Tevez, Aguero, Rodriguez.
What an attacking force and I think their defence might perform when it comes asking

I was fairly keen on them before, but i just can't be having any of Veron, Gutierrez or most of the defence.
Definetly wouldnt rule them out though

bookie basher

SirDelboy18 wrote: »

I was fairly keen on them before, but i just can't be having any of Veron, Gutierrez or most of the defence.
Definetly wouldnt rule them out though

add heinze to that list, he's a dodgy enough defender, what dunphy would call a headbanger

youcrazyjesus!

France can be anything. A few might of them have an argument on the plane over seating arrangements and not talk to each other for the rest of the tournament. You just don't know with them.

I stuck up a preview here:

https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/145012/114911.pdf

France are value to be knocked out at the group stage, particularly with South Africa showing signs of life in recent games.

youcrazyjesus!

Doocey wrote: »

I've been preaching since the start of 2010 - Argentina.
Were 10/1 at one stage afaik and now at 7's if you're lucky.

Messi, Milito, Tevez, Aguero, Rodriguez.
What an attacking force and I think their defence might perform when it comes asking

Only Messi + AN Other will be playing.

The team will be

Otamendi, Samuel, Dimichelis, Heinze

Gutierrez, Veron, Mascherano, Di Maria

Messi

AN Other

4 centre backs, 2 defending midfielders, 2 wide players and a striker with Messi in a free role.

SirDelboy18

youcrazyjesus! wrote: »

Only Messi + AN Other will be playing.

The team will be

Otamendi, Samuel, Dimichelis, Heinze

Gutierrez, Veron, Mascherano, Di Maria

Messi

AN Other

4 centre backs, 2 defending midfielders, 2 wide players and a striker with Messi in a free role.

Higuain will start.

El Horseboxo

SirDelboy18 wrote: »

Ribery and Malouda ( along with Nani, the PL's most improved winger ) hugging the wings.

Isn't Nani Portuguese?

Anyways can't see France winning it. They haven't impressed in the qualifiers or the friendlies i have seen them play. They have been looking dodgy in the back and have conceded against teams way below their ranking. And the scorelines don't reflect how much more they could have conceded. Against better opposition they will have huge problems. And they haven't been producing too much at the opposite end either. Lots of possession in the midfield which is probably their strongest area. But they just don't know what to do with it up front. It was almost cringe worthy watching them trying to break down Tunisia the other night. Mexico aren't a bad side and will have a lot of preparation behind them. Preparation in which they have got better with each game and are finally scoring goals. Uruguay are a good team too. Weak at the back but they make up for it up front. It's a tough group to call but i don't see France having an easy time in it.

ForeverYoung90

El Horseboxo wrote: »

Isn't Nani Portuguese?

Anyways can't see France winning it. They haven't impressed in the qualifiers or the friendlies i have seen them play. They have been looking dodgy in the back and have conceded against teams way below their ranking. And the scorelines don't reflect how much more they could have conceded. Against better opposition they will have huge problems. And they haven't been producing too much at the opposite end either. Lots of possession in the midfield which is probably their strongest area. But they just don't know what to do with it up front. It was almost cringe worthy watching them trying to break down Tunisia the other night. Mexico aren't a bad side and will have a lot of preparation behind them. Preparation in which they have got better with each game and are finally scoring goals. Uruguay are a good team too. Weak at the back but they make up for it up front. It's a tough group to call but i don't see France having an easy time in it.

That what I was thinking aswell but what hes saying is that along with Malouda,Nani was one of the most improved players in the prem last season.Anyway I think France could go well in the wc as they do have some serious talent in their squad.Ribery alone is a world beater on his day.
Its a simple fact that Brazil,Italy and France have filled 7 out of the last 8 world cup final spots!When it comes to the latter stages it all comes down to mentality.The favourites Spain have NEVER REACHED A WORLD CUP SIMI-FINAL!
My money is on Brazil to win it;cruised though qualifying,balanced team,real stars in kaka,fabiano,lucio,robinho and a good manager in Dunga.
5/1 GET ON EM!

TheMilkyPirate

Brazil for me, Great team great manager brilliant record in the world cup. I've backed alot worse 5/1 shots they'll be gettin the two ton from me this friday.

RocketRonnie

I think England have a massive chance.... 7/1 is far to good a price to turn down imo..
I will def be having a large punt on them!!

El Horseboxo

ForeverYoung90 wrote: »

That what I was thinking aswell but what hes saying is that along with Malouda,Nani was one of the most improved players in the prem last season.Anyway I think France could go well in the wc as they do have some serious talent in their squad.Ribery alone is a world beater on his day.
Its a simple fact that Brazil,Italy and France have filled 7 out of the last 8 world cup final spots!When it comes to the latter stages it all comes down to mentality.The favourites Spain have NEVER REACHED A WORLD CUP SIMI-FINAL!
My money is on Brazil to win it;cruised though qualifying,balanced team,real stars in kaka,fabiano,lucio,robinho and a good manager in Dunga.
5/1 GET ON EM!

I think it could be Brazil's year again too. Great keeper and have really tightened up at the back. Something that dogged them in the past. 8 clean sheets or something in the qualifying round and only 1 loss in the last 24 games and that was when it didn't matter and fielded a weak team. I just hope they haven't traded defensive skills off for their offensive ones. Never really got out of gear against Zimbabwe but when they did they were brilliant.

Italy and France have become a lot worse in recent years. I know they can turn it on for the WC but i think this year will feature some teams going further than expected. And the altitude may play a part too.

SirDelboy18

ForeverYoung90 wrote: »

That what I was thinking aswell but what hes saying is that along with Malouda,Nani was one of the most improved players in the prem last season.

That was what I was trying to say, yes:D;)

Juwwi

could'nt back france in a million years to win this world cup.

manager is a fruit cake and they jusr are'nt playing well and have'nt been for the past few years.

brazil 9/2 each way 1/4 the odds the 1st 4 looks a great bet to me.

useurename

I think the french wing backs are class in evra and sagna but i would prefer sean st leger and darren o dea to gallas(injury prone moody tosser) and abidal.Gallas is a noted troublemaker and i'll be hoping they get beaten in all three games that they play......anyone but the french

SantryRed

I like the 7/2 for England to be beaten in the Semi Finals. If all things go to plan they should get there but then they'll meet the Brazilians. With the LC I haven't had much time but I'm gonna put bets for the whole WC down tomorrow night.

SantryRed

Ok, so I've ten euro for Outright bets in the World Cup.

Could people please tell me what they think of the following: They are all PP. All bets will have 2 euro on them.

Spain and Brazil final. Odds: 10/1.

Brazil to knock England out. Odds: 8/1. I've mapped out the WC and I believe they will meet at the Semi Final stage.

RVP top goalscorer. 1 euro e/w. Odds: 13/1.

Brazil to win and Fabiano top scorer. Odds: 25/1.

And Ivory Coast, Denmark, Paraguay and USA to qualify from their groups. Odds: just over 8/1.

Thanks

Gavin "shels"

SantryRed wrote: »

Ok, so I've ten euro for Outright bets in the World Cup.

Could people please tell me what they think of the following: They are all PP. All bets will have 2 euro on them.

Spain and Brazil final. Odds: 10/1.

Brazil to knock England out. Odds: 8/1. I've mapped out the WC and I believe they will meet at the Semi Final stage.

RVP top goalscorer. 1 euro e/w. Odds: 13/1.

Brazil to win and Fabiano top scorer. Odds: 25/1.

And Ivory Coast, Denmark, Paraguay and USA to qualify from their groups. Odds: just over 8/1.

Thanks

Likely them all Ben, last one I'd chance if Drogba is for it, Ivory Coast probably will find it hard.

ninebeanrows

Denmark in Outright,

~ 130/1

Dave147

China after beating France 1-0 today, don't know what their squad was like but China were at leat 11-1 to win, if not more.. Shocking stuff by France.

Amigomenor

Cant see past Brazil.

SirDelboy18

Dave147 wrote: »

China after beating France 1-0 today, don't know what their squad was like but China were at leat 11-1 to win, if not more.. Shocking stuff by France.

Friendlies are not important. Spain were lucky to beat South Korea yesterday. Italy lost yesterday. England turned in shocking performances. Spain were lucky to beat Saudi Arabia.

Verance

England and Spain managed 2 wins though, the sign of a great team...