My final proposed build (hopefully)

VenomIreland

Well, am I missing anything? Cables were added so I can be assured I will have all the necessary cables, plus, I love having extras






BTW, weight is off by around 8 kilos.

VenomIreland

Changing hard drives after hearing of problems with the Spinpoint and the MB I selected, any recommendations?

VenomIreland

Swapped in new hard drive:

mooman

The only thing that order is missing is an England flag, it's only 20p:D

VenomIreland

My dad'd kill me if he saw a huge England flag arrive in the post

VenomIreland

Swapped in new, better, cheaper motherboard:

C.D.

Hey, consider picking up this CL7 RAM instead (or any CL7 RAM). The Phenom II's and indeed their Intel equivalents all prefer lower latency RAM- even at the expense of high speed, i.e. CL7 1333Mhz RAM will outperform CL9 1600Mhz RAM. It's pretty much the same price.

C.D.

PS The GA-890GPA-UD3H comes with 2 right angled SATA cables so no need to buy additional ones!

Also, I have heard very good things about the Artic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro which is cheaper @ £16.24. I don't know what the performance of the cooler you've chosen is, but the above should be fine unless you are doing some serious overclocking.

elazar55

whats your budget?

VenomIreland

elazar55 wrote: »

whats your budget?

1300

VenomIreland

C.D. wrote: »

Hey, consider picking up this CL7 RAM instead (or any CL7 RAM). The Phenom II's and indeed their Intel equivalents all prefer lower latency RAM- even at the expense of high speed, i.e. CL7 1333Mhz RAM will outperform CL9 1600Mhz RAM. It's pretty much the same price.

Thanks man

VenomIreland

C.D. wrote: »

PS The GA-890GPA-UD3H comes with 2 right angled SATA cables so no need to buy additional ones!

Also, I have heard very good things about the Artic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro which is cheaper @ £16.24. I don't know what the performance of the cooler you've chosen is, but the above should be fine unless you are doing some serious overclocking.

I'm getting the two cables just in case, you never know

I was going to get the Freezer 7, but on Tom's Hardware, it was one of the worst performing budget coolers out of the ten best they picked, the Zalman was one of the top 3 (IIRC0

VenomIreland

Damn, I can't order that RAM, it may arrive later than the other parts as it has an Exclamation mark saying timed delivery is unavaialable, and any extra waiting would kill me if I had al the other parts, thanks for the suggestion though, maybe I'll figure out how to change the timings in the future.

elazar55

hang on don't buy it yet i have a few suggestion. ill post them when i have it all in the basket.

VenomIreland

elazar55 wrote: »

hang on don't buy it yet i have a few suggestion. ill post them when i have it all in the basket.

Don't worry, I'm not buying it until around the 18th XD

elazar55

NZXT M59 Black Mid Tower Case - No PSU
120mm Black Case Fan - 4 pin connector
Crucial 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333MHz/PC3-10600 Ballistix Memory Kit CL7 (7-7-7-24) 1.65V
Hitachi Deskstar 1TB Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm 32MB Cache - OEM
LiteOn IHAS124-19 24x DVD±RW DL & RAM SATA - OEM Black
Hi-Power Black 800W 14cm Blue LED Fan PSU - 20+4pin 4x SATA 4x PCI-E
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Socket AM3 3.2 GHz 8MB L3 Cache Retail Boxed Processor
Gigabyte GA-770TA-UD3 AMD 770 Socket AM3 Gigabit LAN 8 Channel Audio ATX Motherboard
PowerColor HD 5870 PCS 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI Display Port PCI-E Graphics Card With Call Of Duty Game Voucher
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium - Complete package - 1 PC - DVD - English - United Kingdom




i downgraded the mothereboard. the reason for that is that you are not going to use crossfireX and this one is just as good but its just not crossfirex compatible. those more expensive one's are more expensive because the have 2 pcie slots. no need for that. so yeah. i also selected a cheaper case and added 3 extra fans. it already comes with two. and by doing that i could get you a 5870. tell me what ya think

VenomIreland

elazar55 wrote: »

NZXT M59 Black Mid Tower Case - No PSU
120mm Black Case Fan - 4 pin connector
Crucial 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333MHz/PC3-10600 Ballistix Memory Kit CL7 (7-7-7-24) 1.65V
Hitachi Deskstar 1TB Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm 32MB Cache - OEM
LiteOn IHAS124-19 24x DVD±RW DL & RAM SATA - OEM Black
Hi-Power Black 800W 14cm Blue LED Fan PSU - 20+4pin 4x SATA 4x PCI-E
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Socket AM3 3.2 GHz 8MB L3 Cache Retail Boxed Processor
Gigabyte GA-770TA-UD3 AMD 770 Socket AM3 Gigabit LAN 8 Channel Audio ATX Motherboard
PowerColor HD 5870 PCS 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI Display Port PCI-E Graphics Card With Call Of Duty Game Voucher
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium - Complete package - 1 PC - DVD - English - United Kingdom




i downgraded the mothereboard. the reason for that is that you are not going to use crossfireX and this one is just as good but its just not crossfirex compatible. those more expensive one's are more expensive because the have 2 pcie slots. no need for that. so yeah. i also selected a cheaper case and added 3 extra fans. it already comes with two. and by doing that i could get you a 5870. tell me what ya think

Pretty nice, but I was actually going to get a second 5770 Vapor-X in the future

Other than that, it's pretty similar to the one I proposed, thanks for the suggestions though .

VenomIreland

I've swapped the RAM for that Ballistix RAM, actually

elazar55

ok how about this. this motherboard is dual @ x16 which means both of the cards will run at full speed unlike the gigabyte one which runs one in x8

NZXT M59 Black Mid Tower Case - No PSU
120mm Black Case Fan - 4 pin connector
Crucial 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333MHz/PC3-10600 Ballistix Memory Kit CL7 (7-7-7-24) 1.65V
Hitachi Deskstar 1TB Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm 32MB Cache - OEM
LiteOn IHAS124-19 24x DVD±RW DL & RAM SATA - OEM Black
Hi-Power Black 800W 14cm Blue LED Fan PSU - 20+4pin 4x SATA 4x PCI-E
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Socket AM3 3.2 GHz 8MB L3 Cache Retail Boxed Processor
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium - Complete package - 1 PC - DVD - English - United Kingdom
ASUS Crosshair III Formula Republic of Gamers Series AMD 790FX Socket AM3 XFI Audio Card ATX Motherboard
Sapphire HD 5770 Vapor-X 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Graphics Card

VenomIreland

elazar55 wrote: »

ok how about this. this motherboard is dual @ x16 which means both of the cards will run at full speed unlike the gigabyte one which runs one in x8

NZXT M59 Black Mid Tower Case - No PSU
120mm Black Case Fan - 4 pin connector
Crucial 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333MHz/PC3-10600 Ballistix Memory Kit CL7 (7-7-7-24) 1.65V
Hitachi Deskstar 1TB Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm 32MB Cache - OEM
LiteOn IHAS124-19 24x DVD±RW DL & RAM SATA - OEM Black
Hi-Power Black 800W 14cm Blue LED Fan PSU - 20+4pin 4x SATA 4x PCI-E
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Socket AM3 3.2 GHz 8MB L3 Cache Retail Boxed Processor
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium - Complete package - 1 PC - DVD - English - United Kingdom
ASUS Crosshair III Formula Republic of Gamers Series AMD 790FX Socket AM3 XFI Audio Card ATX Motherboard
Sapphire HD 5770 Vapor-X 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Graphics Card

Hmm, is that £1300 or €1300?
BTW, I need the monitor, it's my very first build and the little cheap LCD I have doesn't cut it as a PC monitor.

EDIT: Hmm, I may go for the Crosshair IV MoBo, it would push the price to it's limit, but from reviews it seems it may be worth it.

elazar55

sorry forgot the monitor.

here it is £938 inc shipping approx 1280 euro.

NZXT M59 Black Mid Tower Case - No PSU
120mm Black Case Fan - 4 pin connector
Crucial 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333MHz/PC3-10600 Ballistix Memory Kit CL7 (7-7-7-24) 1.65V
Hitachi Deskstar 1TB Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm 32MB Cache - OEM
LiteOn IHAS124-19 24x DVD±RW DL & RAM SATA - OEM Black
Hi-Power Black 800W 14cm Blue LED Fan PSU - 20+4pin 4x SATA 4x PCI-E
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Socket AM3 3.2 GHz 8MB L3 Cache Retail Boxed Processor
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium - Complete package - 1 PC - DVD - English - United Kingdom
ASUS Crosshair III Formula Republic of Gamers Series AMD 790FX Socket AM3 XFI Audio Card ATX Motherboard
Sapphire HD 5770 Vapor-X 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Graphics Card
Samsung LD220 21.5" Lapfit LCD Full HD 1920x1080 300cd/m2 30,000:1 5ms VGA / USB Black

VenomIreland

elazar55 wrote: »

sorry forgot the monitor.

here it is £938 inc shipping approx 1280 euro.

NZXT M59 Black Mid Tower Case - No PSU
120mm Black Case Fan - 4 pin connector
Crucial 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333MHz/PC3-10600 Ballistix Memory Kit CL7 (7-7-7-24) 1.65V
Hitachi Deskstar 1TB Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm 32MB Cache - OEM
LiteOn IHAS124-19 24x DVD±RW DL & RAM SATA - OEM Black
Hi-Power Black 800W 14cm Blue LED Fan PSU - 20+4pin 4x SATA 4x PCI-E
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Socket AM3 3.2 GHz 8MB L3 Cache Retail Boxed Processor
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium - Complete package - 1 PC - DVD - English - United Kingdom
ASUS Crosshair III Formula Republic of Gamers Series AMD 790FX Socket AM3 XFI Audio Card ATX Motherboard
Sapphire HD 5770 Vapor-X 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Graphics Card
Samsung LD220 21.5" Lapfit LCD Full HD 1920x1080 300cd/m2 30,000:1 5ms VGA / USB Black

Thanks, I'll definitely take all this in to consideration, and I may go for the Crosshair IV, actually, it would push my original proposal to 1320 or so, but since it's a reward from my parents, I may put in a little bit of money towards it

massy086

CAN I ASK WHY YOUR GOING AMD OVER INTEL

VenomIreland

massy086 wrote: »

CAN I ASK WHY YOUR GOING AMD OVER INTEL

CAN I ASK WHY WE MUST USE ALL CAPS

Anyway, I'm going with AMD because I don't plan to do much video editing/rendering and other things that do well with many threads, just gaming and a small bit of rendering and video converting.

Also, cheaper.

massy086

sorry about the caps ah ok just your not far off i5 money

VenomIreland

massy086 wrote: »

sorry about the caps ah ok just your not far off i5 money

An i5 750 costs about the same as a 955, but I want to go with AMD anyway, can't get a Crosshair IV with Intel!

VenomIreland

Hmm, do Ebuyer ship everything in one big box? Or each item is shipped seperately?

elazar55

hi, just a suggestion but why don't you order from www.hardwareversand.de? I have just ordered from them and I'll tell you how it goes if you like. they are the cheapest website i have found. plus they'll build it for you just for an extra fiver. anyway i have built this for you. it costs about 1,100 with the paypal fees and shipping. i used the pc configurator. you will only need a crosshair III since you are only going two way crossfire. anyway here is the spec

HV0221047101DE Special item: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Box, Sockel AM3
HV33E7H6DE MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit SB-Version Englisch
HV21B22HDE BenQ G2220HD
HV20MI34DE 4 GB-Kit DDR3 Crucial Ballistix Tracer black PC1600 CL8
HV207BN5DE LG GH22NS50 bare schwarz
HVR700SGDE Super-Flower SF700A14A Gamer Edition 700W
HV203XMWDE Xigmatek Midgard mit Sichtfenster (CPC-T55DB-U02)
HV1132UQDE ASUS Crosshair III Formula, Sockel AM3, ATX
HV13H7D1DE Hitachi DESKSTAR 7K1000.C 1TB, 32MB, SATA II, 8,9cm (3,5")
HV1023TUDE Powercolor HD5770 1024MB GDDR5, PCI-Express

VenomIreland

elazar55 wrote: »

hi, just a suggestion but why don't you order from www.hardwareversand.de? I have just ordered from them and I'll tell you how it goes if you like. they are the cheapest website i have found. plus they'll build it for you just for an extra fiver. anyway i have built this for you. it costs about 1,100 with the paypal fees and shipping. i used the pc configurator. you will only need a crosshair III since you are only going two way crossfire. anyway here is the spec

HV0221047101DE Special item: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Box, Sockel AM3
HV33E7H6DE MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit SB-Version Englisch
HV21B22HDE BenQ G2220HD
HV20MI34DE 4 GB-Kit DDR3 Crucial Ballistix Tracer black PC1600 CL8
HV207BN5DE LG GH22NS50 bare schwarz
HVR700SGDE Super-Flower SF700A14A Gamer Edition 700W
HV203XMWDE Xigmatek Midgard mit Sichtfenster (CPC-T55DB-U02)
HV1132UQDE ASUS Crosshair III Formula, Sockel AM3, ATX
HV13H7D1DE Hitachi DESKSTAR 7K1000.C 1TB, 32MB, SATA II, 8,9cm (3,5")
HV1023TUDE Powercolor HD5770 1024MB GDDR5, PCI-Express

I decided not to go with Hardwareversand for, some reason I cannot remember. I think it was the pricing was too similar to warrant getting all the manuals and stuff in German.
Anyway, I am going to order from Ebuyer, they're as cheap as Pixmania (in most cases) and the shipping is very cheap, I just need my above question answered now.

elazar55

i dont know but i also am going to order something of ebuyer soon. It will be sometime this or next week and I'll tell you how it goes, K?

VenomIreland

elazar55 wrote: »

i dont know but i also am going to order something of ebuyer soon. It will be sometime this or next week and I'll tell you how it goes, K?

Sure thanks, I hope to order by the 13th, by the way, so it'll arrive the day I finish my Junior Cert

Solitaire

*wanders into thread*

What's up with all the silly motherboards and dodgy PSUs on this thread?? :P

*wanders off again*

VenomIreland

Solitaire wrote: »

*wanders into thread*

What's up with all the silly motherboards and dodgy PSUs on this thread?? :P

*wanders off again*

The Crosshair IV is silly?

And I was never going to go with anything but a Corsair PSU.

Solitaire

I was just wondering on some of those lists why elazar was choosing €200 motherboards to go with €130 graphics cards... if you're only running HD5770s then even PCIe2.0 x4 mode isn't too bad, let alone x8! :P

VenomIreland

Solitaire wrote: »

I was just wondering on some of those lists why elazar was choosing €200 motherboards to go with €130 graphics cards... if you're only running HD5770s then even PCIe2.0 x4 mode isn't too bad, let alone x8! :P

Hmm, may as well go for the Gigabyte board I originally picked then, which has support for CrossfireX.

EDIT: Hey, Solitaire, you got any experience with Ebuyer?

VenomIreland

elazar55

Solitaire wrote: »

I was just wondering on some of those lists why elazar was choosing €200 motherboards to go with €130 graphics cards... if you're only running HD5770s then even PCIe2.0 x4 mode isn't too bad, let alone x8! :P[/QUOTE

because performance would be much better at full x16. wouldn't want to be running it at half speed would i?

VenomIreland

elazar55 wrote: »

Solitaire wrote: »

I was just wondering on some of those lists why elazar was choosing €200 motherboards to go with €130 graphics cards... if you're only running HD5770s then even PCIe2.0 x4 mode isn't too bad, let alone x8! :P[/QUOTE

because performance would be much better at full x16. wouldn't want to be running it at half speed would i?

But that x16 isn't fully saturated, from what Solitaire is saying, it seems only a quarter of that is saturated, which would make x8 fine.

Deano12345

Performance loss is exaggerated, running a 5970, at 8x is only about 2% I think, less than a frame a second.

You wouldn't even notice it. Like Solitaire says you wouldn't even use 4 of the PCI-E lanes with a 5770

Edit : Quote was a mess so I took it out.

elazar55

VenomIreland wrote: »

elazar55 wrote: »

But that x16 isn't fully saturated, from what Solitaire is saying, it seems only a quarter of that is saturated, which would make x8 fine.

thanks for the info. i'm still learning a bit. :cool:

VenomIreland

elazar55 wrote: »

VenomIreland wrote: »

thanks for the info. i'm still learning a bit. :cool:

Heh, so am I, I've only been learning since my 14th birthday a year and a half ago

elazar55

VenomIreland wrote: »

elazar55 wrote: »

Heh, so am I, I've only been learning since my 14th birthday a year and a half ago

i have been learning since i was 10 (i have no life)

VenomIreland

Oh god, the HAF X is up for sale on Ebuyer, MUST SEE IF PARENTS CAN AFFORD!

Solitaire

I've worshipped computers since I was 7

Trick is to make it your occupation as well as a hobby then get a life too

Anyway, the PCIe lanes allocated to a GPU only affect the speed at which it can grab texture data from the system, and a lot of people forget we're currently on PCIe 2.0, which is twice as fast per lane than the original PCIe bus. When they re-tested the phenomenon on Toms Hardware a while ago HD5**0 cards on PCIe 2.0 seem much more bandwidth-friendly than older ATi cards on PCIe 1.1, and as the GPU computing power and memory bandwidth goes down the need for massive PCIe bus bandwidth also drops. x8 is fine for anything shy of a supercomputer, and even x4 isn't that bad on PCIe 2.0, although it could impose a slight bandwidth limitation on ultra-high-end cards. Its PCIex1 that you need to avoid like the plague

EDIT - HAF-X?! *runs off to look*

VenomIreland

Solitaire wrote: »

I've worshipped computers since I was 7

Trick is to make it your occupation as well as a hobby then get a life too

I've only been worshipping for a few years now, since I first got Morrowind GOTY about 2 years ago.

My dream job would be building computers, even though I'm only building my first this month. Sadly, however, there doesn't seem to be great demand for it

Solitaire

Heh... Morrowind... :cool:

There may have been more demand during the boom years but rising hardware prices and the continuing consolidation of the industry has hurt everyone (including the industry itself) something bad over the past two years...

VenomIreland

Solitaire wrote: »

Heh... Morrowind... :cool:

There may have been more demand during the boom years but rising hardware prices and the continuing consolidation of the industry has hurt everyone (including the industry itself) something bad over the past two years...

Yeah, I noticed that prices have been rising, why is that?

Solitaire

Mixture of factors, recession coinciding with both an unbalanced CPU and GPU release schedule and a massive hike in memory IC prices are causing the brunt of the woe right now, and the knock-on effects of the above hits everyone's pocket down the line as OEM and retailers are forced to hike prices, lose more profits, hike even further... etc.

VenomIreland

Solitaire wrote: »

Mixture of factors, recession coinciding with both an unbalanced CPU and GPU release schedule and a massive hike in memory IC prices are causing the brunt of the woe right now, and the knock-on effects of the above hits everyone's pocket down the line as OEM and retailers are forced to hike prices, lose more profits, hike even further... etc.

Damn, wish I had patience, else I'd wait for prices to drop.

Lu Tze

Surprised your parents didn't link the budget for the build to your exam results - no better motivation :pac:

Best of luck with the exams and the build and sure post it up in the "your main PC" sticky for us to have a gawk

VenomIreland

Lu Tze wrote: »

Surprised your parents didn't link the budget for the build to your exam results - no better motivation :pac:

Best of luck with the exams and the build and sure post it up in the "your main PC sticky for us to have a gawk

The motivation is if I study hard enough (1-1.5 hours a day at least) I get it, my mam said that, she kinda regrets promising that now

Of course I'll post it to the Main PC Sticky, Infact, I may even make a timelapse.