How Do You Get Your Musak?

starbelgrade

As a musician & someone who works in music production & promotions, I believe that people should pay a fair price for music. After all, if someone takes the time & effort to write and record something that you like, it seems only fair that they get some reward for it and it helps them support their efforts in writing & recording more music.

However, I also believe that record companies shot themselves in the foot when digital downloads began - many of them resisted the format & most of them started charging similar prices to the traditional formats, even though the overheads were significantly less.

So, where do you get your music from, what are your opinions on illegal downloads/ file sharing & what (if any) do you think is a fair price to pay for music?

FearDark

Download like a mad thing, I havnt bought a CD or a DVD in ten years and I have EVERYTHING. I'd just like to take the time out to thank Eircom for providing my internet for most of that time.

KeithM89_old

Iv bought every song on my computer/iPod - i feel terrible knowing people put the effort in and then not paying for it


/sarcasm

Herb Powell

I get most of it from friends. And anyone who thinks sharing that way is wrong can **** right off

NTMK

I download almost everything illegally except for small bands or bands i truely like

IMO The music industry has had 10+ years to adapt the business model to illegal downloads. they are stupid to think they can stop it.I'll support bands i like by going to their gigs.

Mike 1972

I havent come across a song worth acquiring (legally or otherwise) in quite a few years now

FearDark

Mike 1972 wrote: »

I havent come across a song worth acquiring (legally or otherwise) in quite a few years now

Now that's just untrue. No matter what genre you're into there must have been something you liked, if there isn't you just dont like music!

epgc3fyqirnbsx

In the last six months it's all been downloads but before that, I bought hundreds of CD's at a huge costs added up. Used to like browsing and looking for a bargain.

But now I'm broke so I just download...

Starbelgrade, I really can't see how things will change which is obviously a concern to the like of yourself, really seems that even or the big bands/groups touring will be more necessary than ever

bronte

I buy Cds/Vinyl online or in record shops

I download the odd time too, but legally.

I refuse to buy/download films illegally too.

Edit: Ya gotta be good live this weather in my opinion..which is no bad thing.

KevinVonSpiel

I loiter in supermarkets.

starbelgrade

Grady Full Silk wrote: »

Starbelgrade, I really can't see how things will change which is obviously a concern to the like of yourself, really seems that even or the big bands/groups touring will be more necessary than ever

It doesn't really bother me personally - music for me is more of a hobby, but I feel for young bands who fork out a lot of money for recording & production when there's little or no return from it.

There was also a comment about supporting bands by going to their gigs - for bands other than cover bands or "tribute" acts, there's very little money in it either - gigging is more of a promotion tool than anything else & most bands do well if they break even.

I don't see the tide turning back (esp judging by the early poll results), sadly, as this can only be a bad thing for music the worse it gets.

Mike 1972

FearDark wrote: »

Now that's just untrue. No matter what genre you're into there must have been something you liked,

I said I havent come across it. It possible that there are may have been out there somewhere but It hasnt come to my attention.

Besides I have enough music in my collection to last me a lifetime and then some

xsiborg

Downloads - illegal / fileshare

to all those who voted this option- your IP addresses have now been recorded and will be sent to IRMA.... :eek:

*stir stir*...

only messin!

Mike 1972

xsiborg wrote: »

to all those who voted this option- your IP addresses have now been recorded and will be sent to IRMA.... :eek:

Maybe I steal my neighbours WiFi as well

KeithM89_old

xsiborg wrote: »

to all those who voted this option- your IP addresses have now been recorded and will be sent to IRMA.... :eek:

If downloading music illegally was all i got done for, id be a happy man

starbelgrade

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Maybe I steal my neighbours WiFi as well

Surprisingly easy do do in most areas - I'm always amazed at how many networks still use the default password, "password".

Tea_Bag

asking on an internet forum is going to show an extremely biased response.



I illegally download most of my stuff these days.

starbelgrade

Tea_Bag wrote: »

asking on an internet forum is going to show an extremely biased response.

I'd walk down to the pub in the village & ask them, but I doubt I'd get a great response.

Mike 1972

starbelgrade wrote: »

Surprisingly easy do do in most areas

Particularly if they have have routers given to them by a certain ISP and have never changed their settings.

NTMK

starbelgrade wrote: »

I'd walk down to the pub in the village & ask them, but I doubt I'd get a great response.

would be interesting to see the response to this poll at a gig

epgc3fyqirnbsx

starbelgrade wrote: »

It doesn't really bother me personally - music for me is more of a hobby, but I feel for young bands who fork out a lot of money for recording & production when there's little or no return from it.

There was also a comment about supporting bands by going to their gigs - for bands other than cover bands or "tribute" acts, there's very little money in it either - gigging is more of a promotion tool than anything else & most bands do well if they break even.

I don't see the tide turning back (esp judging by the early poll results), sadly, as this can only be a bad thing for music the worse it gets.

Well that's exactly it, you have to feel for the younger bands and people will feel sorry for them. And some will buy their releases for moral reasons but it will never be as it used to be.

And as you said, there's a good chance the music will suffer.
Should also be said that 97% of albums in the lasts 10 years have been 3 single albums with a sh1tload of filler (Led Zeppelin we need you) so there's not an awful lot of sympathy

Where does the future lie?
I certainly don't know, there seemed to be a vinyl revolution, if that can somehow be expanded so that it's a 'You're not a music fan unless you listen to vinyl' deal then there maybe something there

Or else it's getting a percentage from people watching you on youtube and such

PrettyBoy

There are certain artists that I will always support and buy their albums. If I will listen to the full album then I'll always buy the CD. If I only want an odd song that I hear on the radio of course I'm going to download it, rather than handing over a score and listening to one or two songs.

A CD is not worth €20 and I can't understand why they continue to sell (or not sell) for this price given how easy it is for anyone to download them for free.

jiltloop

I don't download illegally and never will. In fact I rarely download music at all. When I was younger I used to love saving up to buy CDs and spent hours researching and discovering music and musicians and now i really value my CD collection. I can honestly say that every one of those CDs are CDs that I like and that I've made an emotional connection with at some point in my life. When I lose a CD it bloody hurts!
I can never see the attraction in amassing Gbs upon Gbs of illegally downloaded songs, its almost like a competition to some people to get the most amount of songs on their ipod. They probably don't even listen to 10% of them. I think music has lost its value and I think accordingly its gonna lose its significance. Its gonna become like a aural filler for the general public instead of a form of art, and that depresses and angers me whenever i think if it.

W.Shakes-Beer

I have Spotify.

starbelgrade

W.Shakes-Beer wrote: »

I have Spotify.

You can get a cream for that in the chemist.

tony1kenobi

starbelgrade wrote: »

I feel for young bands who fork out a lot of money for recording & production when there's little or no return from it.

Don't be daft....they are artists....all of them...none of them do it for the money....they've all been saying that since time began.

To answer your question though....I get my music on a deep,personal emotional level.....especially the artist Cheryl Cole....she truly breathes life and goodness into my heart and soul and arse.

minidazzler

I use Youtube these days, but I don't download! I feel less bad that way!

gurramok

I only buy music(digital only) from smalltime bands, you know those who have not made it. Multi-millionaire artists and those who cannot sing, they can feck right off.

I've never paid the scandalous 20quid for a cd, I don't believe the label should be getting the majority of a cd's money. The musician will get most of their earnings from gigs rather than selling cd's in a shop.

herobear

i refuse to pay money for anything digital(be it music, films, tv shows, comics, magazines, books) if i really wanted a copy of something i'd buy a physical copy and i do, even though i generally wait till things go on sale, even though im happy to pay full price for videogames from small indie developers and cds from local bands(even though ironically these tend to be super cheap). I also refuse to pay for pirated copies of dvds/cds etc...

The only thing im happy to buy digitally are videogames(like from steam for example) but again they tend to be small indie games that are cheap and only available digitally.

We all have our own morals when it comes to this sort of thing and i dont believe anybody should look down on anyone elses.

starbelgrade

tony1kenobi wrote: »

Don't be daft....they are artists....all of them...none of them do it for the money....they've all been saying that since time began.

Some do it for the money, some don't - either way, you can't live on air alone.

hare05

I buy only when I can get it direct from the artist. That means at gigs, on iTunes, online purchase from unsigned artists, buskers I like on the street, etc. As for artists who do not receive their fair share due to certain companies getting in the way... I wait for gigs / concerts, otherwise I torrent. Or I torrent and buy at a gig later where I can. Went to John Butler Trio recently. Awesome.

Also, I buy used CDs, bargain bin stuff that looks interesting. Found Hooverphonic, BoA and Mandalay like that. Amazing stuff.

pickarooney

I listen to songs once then just play them back in my head whenever I need them again.

NTMK

jiltloop wrote: »

I can never see the attraction in amassing Gbs upon Gbs of illegally downloaded songs, its almost like a competition to some people to get the most amount of songs on their ipod. They probably don't even listen to 10% of them. I think music has lost its value and I think accordingly its gonna lose its significance. Its gonna become like a aural filler for the general public instead of a form of art, and that depresses and angers me whenever i think if it.

Whilst i agree with you that happens i know a lot of people who download massive amounts of music illegally and for the most part they listen to 90% and treat it like its art with many of them being involved in the industry. for them and i its the cost of an album that deters us esp. when most of the proceeds go to a company and not the artist.

Personally i love having a physical copy of an album. i adore the sound of a vinyl record.I have listened to about 98% of my itunes library which stands at just under 1500 albums of which i physically own 10% of it. it would cost €15,000 to buy all off it which i certainly dont have. If it wasnt for sharing and downloading i wouldnt have the varied taste and appreciation of music i have now.

df1985

I download illegally like the majority of people I know. Its allowed me listen to music I never would have, discovered bands/artists I never would have and as a result I go to a lot more gigs than I would if i had to buy every album. My music taste is very broad as a result and wouldnt be if I was restricted to albums i had to buy.

tours are extremely lucrative for artists these days. the o2 has gigs on every second day it seems, plenty of the audience at these gigs will have downloaded the music illegally and go to the gig as a result.

I feel sorry for the bands trying to break through.

Mars Bar

NTMK wrote: »

Whilst i agree with you that happens i know a lot of people who download massive amounts of music illegally and for the most part they listen to 90% and treat it like its art with many of them being involved in the industry. for them and i its the cost of an album that deters us esp. when most of the proceeds go to a company and not the artist.

I had half a post done that wasn't quite getting across what I wanted to say but you have summed it up completely!

I have 30 Gb's of mp3's, mainly downloaded illegally and I can safely say I listen to 85% of it as my iTunes is almost always on shuffle.

I also play music and when I'm outta college, I'll hopefully be working in the music industry. I can't afford to be buying CD's coz I need to save for the machines that will be recording my music.

I have about 100 CD's, about 30 of them are from two bands I love and I would never download their music and the fact that I know members of both bands personally, I couldn't do that to them.

Always buy local bands music on CD too.

If I really like a band, I usually make an attempt to see them live so I would buy a T-Shirt or a recording of the concert.

I have seen Bruce Springsteen twice and Elton John once and will again if he comes back to Ireland, as a result of illegal downloading! It's looking like I'll be seeing Jackson Browne because of it too...

jiltloop

NTMK wrote: »

Whilst i agree with you that happens i know a lot of people who download massive amounts of music illegally and for the most part they listen to 90% and treat it like its art with many of them being involved in the industry. for them and i its the cost of an album that deters us esp. when most of the proceeds go to a company and not the artist.

Personally i love having a physical copy of an album. i adore the sound of a vinyl record.I have listened to about 98% of my itunes library which stands at just under 1500 albums of which i physically own 10% of it. it would cost €15,000 to buy all off it which i certainly dont have. If it wasnt for sharing and downloading i wouldnt have the varied taste and appreciation of music i have now.

While it may be true about improving your variety of musical taste my fear is that musical variety and quality will slowly be diminished as the decent small time artists won't get the sales to sustain them.
Theres going to be a greater number of musicians who will just have to settle with their talent being a hobby because they need a job to survive which decreases the amount of time they can spend with music which in turn is going to decrease musical output and variety.
My fear is that only the most successful music will prevail and to be honest the most successful music is generally the worst.

starbelgrade

mars bar wrote: »

I can't afford to be buying CD's coz I need to save for the machines that will be recording my music.
.

Best of luck trying to sell it then.

Mars Bar

starbelgrade wrote: »

Best of luck trying to sell it then.

Haha, touchée.

I hope to go into mixing and syncing music and foley effects for movies/tv programs/video games and that kind of stuff though if I can't get live sound work, still need the gear for that!

herobear

hare05 wrote: »

I buy only when I can get it direct from the artist. That means....................... on iTunes...............

How is that direct from the artist ? both apple and the record labels get a sizable percentage from sales, plus the fact they sell individuals songs has cut profits, because most people only buy 2/3 songs from an album.

Also, I buy used CDs, bargain bin stuff that looks interesting. Found Hooverphonic, BoA and Mandalay like that. Amazing stuff.

Artists make no money from used cd sales, and very little from bargain bins

Deep Easterly

Usually off Itunes or other legal sites, although I have been known to download the odd torrent file but only if it is unavailable legally.

starbelgrade

herobear wrote: »

Artists make no money from used cd sales,

Well, ain't that stating the obvious. They get paid the first time it's sold, so it's no skin off their noses.

Piste

I don't listen to much music on the go even though I have an ipod. I guess cos I cycle everywhere and it's pretty dodgy to cycle about with headphones in. I only really listen to music when I'm on my laptop, so I generally use youtube. If I really like a song I'll download it illegaly. Mainly because up until recently I didn't have a credit card.

NTMK

jiltloop wrote: »

While it may be true about improving your variety of musical taste my fear is that musical variety and quality will slowly be diminished as the decent small time artists won't get the sales to sustain them.
Theres going to be a greater number of musicians who will just have to settle with their talent being a hobby because they need a job to survive which decreases the amount of time they can spend with music which in turn is going to decrease musical output and variety.
My fear is that only the most successful music will prevail and to be honest the most successful music is generally the worst.

I do agree with you about small time artists and i always support buy their albums,go to their gigs,etc if i like them. I only download major acts albums illegally or albums that are hard to find in ireland. I dont use itunes as i dont have a credit card and i hate drm. i live an hour away from any music store not to mind a good one. so illegal downloading is simply the most convenient.

ColmDawson

This may sound foolish/paradoxical, but I love music too much not to steal it. I need to listen to so much more music than I could ever afford to buy.

The artists whose stuff I download most, probably don't make much off their music anyway. Not enough to do it for a living.

I do buy the odd album in town every few months, but I buy more CDs online because most of the time shops here don't have them. Those CDs tend to be albums I've downloaded and loved.

Liam Byrne

Can I change my poll choices ? I've never bought "musak", whatever that is......is it a Chinese drink ?

moonpurple

where is my option

playback on internet

the south wind blows
rte 1 radio

galwayrush

I have often downloaded music free from friends, and if i like it, i go out and buy it. I have discovered many new musicians that way, artists that never get air play, artisis that i would never have heard of only for a free listen. Of course i have heard some crap as well, so i never have to waste my money on that. I always pay for what i like though, i like having a proper copy of the music i like.

Dravokivich

df1985 wrote: »

tours are extremely lucrative for artists these days. the o2 has gigs on every second day it seems, plenty of the audience at these gigs will have downloaded the music illegally and go to the gig as a result.

Tours are lucrative for big bands with huge back cats and pop bands that get produced. Smaller bands that manage to get some screen time are going to come and go like a fart in the wind.

Metallica were right. Mostly for them, but their precedent would of also been set for other artists, such as new up and coming bands. Not that I like her music, but Lilly Allen as a recent example was deemed to be a promising artist, she hasn't made up her due's on record sales because everyone was downloading her albums instead of buying them.

herobear wrote: »

Artists make no money from used cd sales, and very little from bargain bins

Correct, artists don't make money from second hand stores... no one does, only the second hand store for anything... but your wrong about the bargain bins.

The artists royalties are not based on the selling price to the consumer. It's based on the cost price for the vendor. Bargain bins would be "Loss Leaders."

Biggins

Online one way or another.
CD shops as such are closing.
Even Richard Branson admitted that in about ten years CD shops as such will be a rarity - if at all existing still.

Dravokivich

Biggins wrote: »

Online one way or another.
CD shops as such are closing.
Even Richard Branson admitted that in about ten years CD shops as such will be a rarity - if at all existing still.

Well suppose so, but even then, they've stopped being "Music Shops"... they are "Entertainment Shops" now. They'll push with whatever entertainment media is sellable.

Sea Sharp

If someone's really good I'll pay to see them in concert.

If I can't find a CD online I'll buy it in the shop.