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Dutch political party PVND formed by paedophiles disbanded

  • 28-05-2010 06:38PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭


    A Dutch political party formed by self-described pedophiles has voted to disband itself after failing for the second time to participate in national elections in June.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dutch-political-party-pvnd-formed-by-paedophiles-disbanded-1921628.html


    This sickens me that this was even allowed be attempted and shouldn't these people be all arrested and charged and monitored.:mad:

    Freedom of speech gone to far?

    I didnt know if i should have here or European one,please move there if i made mistake thanks :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    caseyann wrote: »
    A Dutch political party formed by self-described pedophiles has voted to disband itself after failing for the second time to participate in national elections in June.

    They're "self-described" paedophiles ?

    Have they been convicted of anything ? Even lesser crimes, maybe ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭Sulmac


    Dutch tolerance taken to new heights, it must be said. :eek:

    It's an interesting election they've got going on alright, especially considering the growth of Geert Wilders' far-right Partij voor de Vrijheid (PVV); recent polls have shown him doing well - at times in second place, but more recently around 15% (which would translate directly into 15% of seats).

    There's a few interesting articles on it on Radio Netherlands Worldwide's website - in particular this story.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    They're "self-described" paedophiles ?

    Have they been convicted of anything ? Even lesser crimes, maybe ?

    Is it not enough on what they are calling for it, to be suspected of possible dangers towards children?

    The PNVD sought to have the legal age-of-consent lowered to 12, and, in the long run, completely eliminated (except in dependent or intrafamilial relationships.) They reason that only "coerced" or "dangerous" sexual activity should be punished. They also aimed to equalize the legal age where one can perform in pornography with the legal age-of-consent. Prostitution would be legal at the age of 16.[4] The PNVD wanted to legalise private use of child pornography (calling outlawing thereof "censorship" in the platform) and allow non-violent pornography to be screened on daytime television. Their platform also included legalization of humans engaging in sex with animals.[2]
    Treasurer Van den Berg claimed that, "Rearing is also about introducing children to sex".[7] Because of their controversial viewpoints on children and sexuality, they were often called "paedo(philes)-party" by the people and in the media.
    Also, the party's platform called for separate imprisonment facilities for sex offenders, arguing that the country would otherwise have indirect torture laws.[4]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭Sulmac


    An age of consent of 12 would put the Netherlands on par with the Vatican City.

    The joke practically writes itself. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    caseyann wrote: »
    Is it not enough on what they are calling for it, to be suspected of possible dangers towards children?

    In this sense its only dangerous if people vote for them.

    Quite frankly Id be a lot more worried about a law excluding people with "dangerous ideas" from the democratic process where there is no other evidence that they had being involved in any wrongdoing.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    caseyann wrote: »
    Is it not enough on what they are calling for it, to be suspected of possible dangers towards children?

    Given your stance in other threads relating to people who have actually committed crimes, I think it's a valid question.

    And I'd agree with Mike - if someone describes themselves as something, then at least you can see what you're getting, and decide accordingly (hopefully voting "not a hope in hell").

    In an admittedly somewhat counter-intuitive way, I'd rather see would-be politicians telling us up-front what they are and what they represent, rather than presenting themselves as something they're not in order to gain votes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,607 ✭✭✭✭sceptre


    caseyann wrote: »
    Is it not enough on what they are calling for it, to be suspected of possible dangers towards children?
    You want to lock up suspects on the basis of possibility now? Does the old tradition of an offence, followed by a trial, followed by either a conviction or an acquittal not feature in your world as a desirable thing? That's sort of the opposite view to the one you had about the Irish blokes sticking screwdrivers in Polish heads. If getting a clue isn't possible, at least fake it with something approximating consistency.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭Sulmac


    Let's not forget either that the US has NAMBLA.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭goreyguy


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  • Posts: 3,925 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Aren't these the lads that wanted to make public transport free?

    I can imagine how that canvassing went...

    "We're going to make travel free!"
    "Wow that's great"
    *cough*and make sex with kids legal*cough*
    "Sorry what was that last thing?"


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    sceptre wrote: »
    You want to lock up suspects on the basis of possibility now? Does the old tradition of an offence, followed by a trial, followed by either a conviction or an acquittal not feature in your world as a desirable thing? That's sort of the opposite view to the one you had about the Irish blokes sticking screwdrivers in Polish heads. If getting a clue isn't possible, at least fake it with something approximating consistency.

    +1
    caseyann wrote: »
    Is it not enough on what they are calling for it, to be suspected of possible dangers towards children?

    It doesn't seem to be enough for you in other instances when people actually do sickening things and are convicted.

    Why the inconsistency ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    Sulmac wrote: »
    It's an interesting election they've got going on alright, especially considering the growth of Geert Wilders' far-right Partij voor de Vrijheid (PVV); recent polls have shown him doing well - at times in second place, but more recently around 15% (which would translate directly into 15% of seats).

    Is that party really far right? Just being outspoken about Islam doesn't make you far right. Geert Wilders is nothing like Nick Griffin and others regularly described as far right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭Sulmac


    Is that party really far right? Just being outspoken about Islam doesn't make you far right. Geert Wilders is nothing like Nick Griffin and others regularly described as far right.

    I suppose you are right, it's usually said as being "far-right" but it's nothing similar to the BNP in Britain or FPÖ in Austria. It'd probably be something more akin to the UKIP, really.

    Some of its individual policies, such as the "head-rag" tax (Wilders' words) and the idea the Netherlands should open it's own Guantánamo Bay-type prision, are not untypical of far-right parties at the start; the more extreme policies develop later on. Indeed, his blaming of Muslims for most of the ills in Dutch society is also quite typical (think the Jews with Hitler - although that's an extreme example!).

    His party wouldn't get my vote, anyway. :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Given your stance in other threads relating to people who have actually committed crimes, I think it's a valid question.

    And I'd agree with Mike - if someone describes themselves as something, then at least you can see what you're getting, and decide accordingly (hopefully voting "not a hope in hell").

    In an admittedly somewhat counter-intuitive way, I'd rather see would-be politicians telling us up-front what they are and what they represent, rather than presenting themselves as something they're not in order to gain votes.


    My stance on other threads Liam?
    Where did i write about what i feel about the sentences or the punishments i feel are right for people.
    Just because i made a statement on the other thread?
    Did i say anything about how i felt about the prison time they were given on that thread.
    So no you cant possibly know what my stance is on anything.

    I would rather when someone like that attempts to start such a party be monitored and under suspicion immediately.

    People are becoming so immune to this stuff there is no outcry anymore,they already won half the battle.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    caseyann wrote: »
    My stance on other threads Liam?
    Where did i write about what i feel about the sentences or the punishments i feel are right for people.
    Just because i made a statement on the other thread?
    Did i say anything about how i felt about the prison time they were given on that thread.

    In that case, you made excuses for thugs......who had actually committed crimes.

    In this case, you're looking for :
    caseyann wrote: »
    I would rather when someone like that attempts to start such a party be monitored and under suspicion immediately.

    I would agree with you, on this thread. But the fact remains that these people weren't convicted of anything.....it was a (somewhat sickening) self-declaration.
    caseyann wrote: »
    People are becoming so immune to this stuff there is no outcry anymore,they already won half the battle.

    The same can be said for thugs with sob-stories stabbing innocent people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    caseyann wrote: »
    People are becoming so immune to this stuff there is no outcry anymore,they already won half the battle.

    No they aren't. From your OP and the very link you cited:
    The party also failed to meet the threshold in 2006, when its creation caused international outrage
    The group's founders said today that the debate about the party had prevented any substantive discussion of its goals.


    The party failed and disbanded itself because it couldn't get the 600 signatures needed to get a place on the ballot.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    K-9 wrote: »
    No they aren't. From your OP and the very link you cited:




    The party failed and disbanded itself because it couldn't get the 600 signatures needed to get a place on the ballot.


    Luckily.
    Next time what happens if they do?
    They shouldnt be even allowed have a party at all or even considered given the option to look for one.
    Thats why i said freedom of speech is going to far.
    I already read that thanks K-9:)


    One of PNVD's founders, Ad van den Berg, who was convicted of molesting an 11-year-old boy in 1987, commented supportively about the Court's decision: "A ban just makes children curious."
    http://blogs.modestlyyours.net/modestly_yours/2006/09/pedophilia_part.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    caseyann wrote: »
    Luckily.
    Next time what happens if they do?
    They shouldnt be even allowed have a party at all or even considered given the option to look for one.
    Thats why i said freedom of speech is going to far.
    I already read that thanks K-9:)


    One of PNVD's founders, Ad van den Berg, who was convicted of molesting an 11-year-old boy in 1987, commented supportively about the Court's decision: "A ban just makes children curious."
    http://blogs.modestlyyours.net/modestly_yours/2006/09/pedophilia_part.html

    Personally I agree they should be banned but going on their success, the next time will be a failure too.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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