so called dissidents..

RIODEJ

what do you all make of the so called dissident "threat" in the north?

all hyped up propeganda i think..

do people consider it all a joke, a good thing? or a bad thing?

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RIODEJ

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Apologies if i came across as crude, my style of writing can be unintentionally agressive, im prob not all that articulate.. i posted in humanities as its to do with humans, i think politics is more about speech, diplomacy etc..

I see the topic in the media a good bit now, its a sensitive issue for many but i think it'll be interesting for people to express their views on the subject

I dont condone violence and so called terrorism but its a issue thats very current and in the news a good bit, being dicussed among politicans alot too

Its a thread abit similar to the british not showing up recently at the irish famine ceremony, which was extremely bad form in my opinion..

Ok?

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owenc

RIODEJ wrote: »

what do you all make of the so called dissident "threat" in the north?

all hyped up propeganda i think..

do people consider it all a joke, a good thing? or a bad thing?

Yes its hyped up i've never ever seen police looking for anyone suspicious or have i seen anything cordoned off or have i seen the town being close because of a bomb threat. It just seems to be in Newry and border areas,they never seemed to bomb here for some reason even though this is a protestant town and would that not be their target??

Overheal

Im not worried about them, but the seperatists on Mustafar merit some attention.

Bottle_of_Smoke

owenc wrote: »

Yes its hyped up i've never ever seen police looking for anyone suspicious or have i seen anything cordoned off or have i seen the town being close because of a bomb threat. It just seems to be in Newry and border areas,they never seemed to bomb here for some reason even though this is a protestant town and would that not be their target??

Police checkpoint at bann road in aghadowey the other week. Of course I can't be sure was to do with dissidents. My mate got stoppped at three seperate checkpoints on the way up from belfast recently (though that was election week)

I don't think they would target here anyway because they'd have little operational support(prob the reason provos only had one big attack here during troubles) and I also think they're afraid of a loyalist backlash. They know the public will blame them just as much as the loyalists. Think that's partly why they've been targeting Catholic police officers mostly.

owenc

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Police checkpoint at bann road in aghadowey the other week. Of course I can't be sure was to do with dissidents. My mate got stoppped at three seperate checkpoints on the way up from belfast recently (though that was election week)

I don't think they would target here anyway because they'd have little operational support(prob the reason provos only had one big attack here during troubles) and I also think they're afraid of a loyalist backlash. They know the public will blame them just as much as the loyalists. Think that's partly why they've been targeting Catholic police officers mostly.

Well other than checkpoints i don't think i've heard of a bomb here very often. But now that you say about them not having enough support that explains why.

FlutterinBantam

I would evaluate the dissedent threat as very serious, as most of these punters are not really 'Political' but really common criminals who want to throw an aura of unrest and 'no go' over their areas of operation.

Expect plenty of checkpoints in border areas as these people live on both sides of the border and shunt back and forth with whatever they can make money from.

The worst thing that could happen for them is a United ireland;)

Victor

Ideally, I would like to see some sort of united Ireland. Personally, I would like that to happen by way of unionists and loyalists seeing they have nothing to fear and the two parts of the island coming together economically, culturally, socially, civic cooperation, critical mass and so on.

Now, most people like to go about their own business and put a roof over their heads and food on the table. Most people aren't overly pushed about the colour of post boxes. Actually, now that I think about it, if Dublin Bus can make bus stops instantly recognisable by painting them bright yellow, how about something similarly hi-vis for post boxes, say 538 BS381C

("Post Box Red")

, but that is an aside.

Now, one of the things that gets on my wick, is the propensity of dissidents and the PIRA before them, to disrupt the Enterprise train service. This connects Dublin and Belfast and is used primarily by two groups (a) business people (b) ordinary Joe Soaps (who in all likelihood are largely Catholic Nationalists) whether for work, study or personal. Now why would people, who claim to be trying to unite Ireland, be frustrating that very aim, by targeting the very people who would bring it about?

FlutterinBantam

Because it gives them the the very thing they want, the oxygen of publicity.

sceptre

Off-topic posts deleted. As usual, clue to what the thread is about is in the title. The respective merits of your own villages or hamlets, north or south, are not on-topic.

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Knarr

RIODEJ wrote: »

what do you all make of the so called dissident "threat" in the north?

all hyped up propeganda i think..

do people consider it all a joke, a good thing? or a bad thing?

In my view republican paramilitaries are gaining support. They are not 'micro-groups' as the media often portray them.

As to whether I think it is a good thing. Well I dont know. Their activity regarding 'war' with the British state is certainly legitimate. The nationalist population, by definition, are occupied by a foreign state. A state which uses coercion and violence on unsubserviant nationalists, and has fortifications in every small town to maintain authority and power. Crossmaglen, for example. A town which does not want to be part of the United Kingdom, yet an alien fortification exists to act against their self determination.

Democracy defined by the biased and arbitrary partion which is the north cannot possibly have sufficient credibility IMO. That said, democracy in itself is defined arbitrarily.

LordSutch

And to the above :rolleyes: I will begin & end by saying GFA.

Knarr

Camelot wrote: »

And to the above :rolleyes: I will begin & end by saying GFA.

"Democracy defined by the biased and arbitrary partion which is the north cannot possibly have sufficient credibility IMO"

Winty

Victor wrote: »

Ideally, I would like to see some sort of united Ireland. Personally, I would like that to happen by way of unionists and loyalists seeing they have nothing to fear and the two parts of the island coming together economically, culturally, socially, civic cooperation, critical mass and so on.

How could the Irish Government ever hope to be able to finance a united Ireland. On a practical level what would they do if suddenley they had 1.6 million extra people.

Also would people of Northern Ireland want to loose the NHS and pay higher tax while using the Euro. Yes some people what a united Ireland for historical and cultural reasons but what about the people who only care about the extra money it will cost just so they can have a green colour post box?

Anyway the OP is about Dissidents who I see only as a criminal gang looking to scare money out of people

owenc

Winty wrote: »

How could the Irish Government ever hope to be able to finance a united Ireland. On a practical level what would they do if suddenley they had 1.6 million extra people.

Also would people of Northern Ireland want to loose the NHS and pay higher tax while using the Euro. Yes some people what a united Ireland for historical and cultural reasons but what about the people who only care about the extra money it will cost just so they can have a green colour post box?

Anyway the OP is about Dissidents who I see only as a criminal gang looking to scare money out of people

make that 1.8 million

owenc

Winty wrote: »

How could the Irish Government ever hope to be able to finance a united Ireland. On a practical level what would they do if suddenley they had 1.6 million extra people.

Also would people of Northern Ireland want to loose the NHS and pay higher tax while using the Euro. Yes some people what a united Ireland for historical and cultural reasons but what about the people who only care about the extra money it will cost just so they can have a green colour post box?

Anyway the OP is about Dissidents who I see only as a criminal gang looking to scare money out of people

Agree with you i honestly don't think its worth while losing all the cheap things that we get from england just to get a united ireland over cultural reasons theres no point!

dlofnep

Winty wrote: »

How could the Irish Government ever hope to be able to finance a united Ireland. On a practical level what would they do if suddenley they had 1.6 million extra people.

Also would people of Northern Ireland want to loose the NHS and pay higher tax while using the Euro. Yes some people what a united Ireland for historical and cultural reasons but what about the people who only care about the extra money it will cost just so they can have a green colour post box?

Anyway the OP is about Dissidents who I see only as a criminal gang looking to scare money out of people

You assume that it would be the north joining the south. It would not. Both states would join each other mutually, bringing the best political minds together for the betterment of Ireland.

You also assume that it would be an instant changeover. It would not. Which is why Sinn Féin and the SDLP are attempting to reduce Corp tax, with intent of enticing more business into the north, and encouraging local startups - alleviating the dependancy on public sector employment. It would have to be a transitional process, with Britain supporting the transition. Afterall - it is because of their interference that this occured and it is there politics that created the political landscape and public-sector dependancies.

sceptre

And we're done, due to the inability of some to read as well as type and pay attention to the request above to stay on topic. I note that it's largely the same few people every time so consider yourselves prewarned for a forum ban if you continue. Up to you if you want to stay inside the discussion tent or be outside it.

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