Lusk superdump gets the go ahead

dan_d

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/green-light-for-lusk-superdump-459434.html

Coz apparently having Baleally landfill for all those years just wasn't enough.....
Amazing...the market garden of Dublin and in the middle of it all, the biggest dump in the country.

dcr22B

Where exactly will this superdump be?

dcr22B

Sorry, ignore previous post.

Just found the area on Google map.

Dyr

Lusk is the market garden of dublin?

dcr22B

Bambi wrote: »

Lusk is the market garden of dublin?

Everywhere you go up here, you have greenhouses and farm machinery as well as Country Crest Foods.

If something does go wrong, the EPA will get crucified.

sNarah

It's actually over at Nevitt: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=101483346761231378782.000487a42b7b47c2a07e0&z=19

More so near Ballyboughal than Lusk.

Bluetonic

European Courts next move?

T-Maxx

Yeah, not on my doorstep...;)

Bluetonic

T-Maxx wrote: »

Yeah, not on my doorstep...;)

If only it was on their door step, they might tolerate that. We're talking about families who are living here generations having their houses CPO'd. In the same circumstance what would you do?

Ignorance is bliss I suppose.

T-Maxx

Bluetonic wrote: »

If only it was on their door step, they might tolerate that.

Bluetonic wrote: »

We're talking about families who are living here generations having their houses CPO'd. In the same circumstance what would you do?

Probably the same I guess. All I'm saying is that it has to go somewhere, and somebody will always be inconvenienced by it no matter where it is.

Bluetonic wrote: »

Ignorance is bliss I suppose.

I suppose so.

LeoB

Bambi wrote: »

Lusk is the market garden of dublin?

Rush actually.;). The market gardening capital of Ireland

What is the solution to all this? We have had Rogerstown (Baleally) filled up so what do we do with the waste? Using another site in North Dublin which is so dependent on Horticulture seems a crazy idea. Its not as if Horticulture has not suffered enough already

But why did E.P.A not kick up over it? Are some people trying to cause unnessecary alarm among people? I dont know

sNarah

LeoB wrote: »

But why did E.P.A not kick up over it? Are some people trying to cause unnessecary alarm among people? I dont know

EPA has granted full permission - attached to several conditions that have to be adhered to.

28.05.2010
A 300,000 tonne super-dump in north Co Dublin has been granted a licence to operate by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).


The licence given to Fingal County Council is for a landfill site for non-hazardous residual waste and also a associated public-recycling facility at Nevitt, Lusk, Co Dublin.


However, the agency has attached over 250 individual conditions and sub-conditions relating to the environmental management, operation, control and monitoring of the facility.

These include the installation of an odour management infrastructure and a stipulation that the waste coming to the landfill site must be pre-treated to extract any recyclable or energy-use components.


The EPA said it was satisfied that, in accordance with the conditions of the licence, the operation of the facility will not adversely affect human health or the environment and will meet all relevant national and EU standards.


Approval for the Lusk landfill site has already been secured from An Bord Pleanála and barring High Court action, the dump is now set to go ahead.

(Linkie)

donaghs

dcr22B wrote: »

Everywhere you go up here, you have greenhouses and farm machinery as well as Country Crest Foods.

If something does go wrong, the EPA will get crucified.

Is anyone in Ireland accountable if something does go wrong?

As Brian Cowen might say "with hindsight, the advice at the time proved to be fundamentally wrong; however, those were the views expressed at the time."

sNarah

Bluetonic wrote: »

European Courts next move?

Doubt it - plus there really is no legitimate reason for it.

1 - Planning permission has been granted and approved and adhered to very strict conditions for the proctection of the surrounding area.

2 - The other landfills are bursting at their seems, so a solution IS needed. This one at the Nevitt has been on the planning books for a long time and will provide a solution to this problem. I truly do not believe it will have ANY negative impact on the public health - if anything, because it is so tighlty regulated, I sincerely doubt there will be any issues to that regards.

donaghs wrote: »

Is anyone in Ireland accountable if something does go wrong?

Off course.

Bluetonic

sNarah wrote: »

I truly do not believe it will have ANY negative impact on the public health - if anything, because it is so tighlty regulated, I sincerely doubt there will be any issues to that regards.

Aside from the stress and pain it brings to those who are having their home demolished to make way for it of course.

sNarah

Bluetonic wrote: »

Aside from the stress and pain it brings to those who are having their home demolished to make way for it of course.

True.

Tbh, I was aware of this issue - though I don't know any numbers - are we speaking of 2 houses or 20.

I also presumed that people affected were consulted beforehand and have received compensation (i.e. council bought their house for a fair price) so they could move elsewhere?

Bluetonic

sNarah wrote: »

Tbh, I was aware of this issue - though I don't know any numbers - are we speaking of 2 houses or 20.

There are at least 8 families involved in the CPO

sNarah wrote: »

I also presumed that people affected were consulted beforehand and have received compensation (i.e. council bought their house for a fair price) so they could move elsewhere?

They weren't consulted so much as told their houses would be subject to a CPO.

I'm not so sure how easy it is to move from say a two acre site in that location to another? How easy would it be to recreate a lifetime or a few generations of creating a home?

Fingleberries

sNarah wrote: »

2 - The other landfills are bursting at their seems, so a solution IS needed. This one at the Nevitt has been on the planning books for a long time and will provide a solution to this problem. I truly do not believe it will have ANY negative impact on the public health - if anything, because it is so tightly regulated, I sincerely doubt there will be any issues to that regards.

Please excuse the cynicism; Given the current state of the nation and the numerous regulators the government have in place that don't appear to have any bite or function behind their powers, I can't help but feel more worried than assured by the promise of regulation at this site.

Carawaystick

Some time back, a planner from fingal coco told me with a straight face that the planning dept in the coco had nothing to do with planning the ring road around half of Lusk, that was the roads dept job. So maybe I'd be a little sceptical about the pureness and goodness of the county council. Remind me again what that criminal Raphael Burke was sent to the Joy for?

The residents of Lusk have had to deal with Balleally for a long time when there wasn't even lip service paid to reducing pollution and now a new dump in Lusk will be built to take waste from the city and the other two council areas.

The same people wanted to build a sewage treatment plant in Donabate to deal with the crap of a Million people, very few of whom lived in Fingal.

It's about time the other councils in co. Dublin stepped up to the plate and dealt with their waste locally.

T-Maxx

I'm sure they've explored all possibilities re the location of this dump.

dan_d

Probably not T-Maxx. The residents of Lusk are less likely to object as much as say, Clontarf or Malahide. Why on earth would you put a superdump in the townlands in North County Dublin?? I obviously realise it can't go in towards the city centre for many reasons, but there has got to be other places around Dublin it could go.
It's the typical "not in my back yard" Irish attitude. Solely on the basis of the fact that Baleally is out there for the last 20 something years, Lusk and the surrounding area should have been excluded as a possible location. Surely we've tolerated enough of this....well, those of us who have lived there for their whole lives have, and those who spent good money to buy a house out there shouldn't have to put up with it either.
As Fingleberries says, the word regulation carries a skeptical look with it these days and means next to nothing in Ireland.

T-Maxx

I'm not too familiar with Clontarf or Malahide, but I'm sure there is no way that a dump could be facilitated there in terms of available land use alone.

When you say "we've tolerated enough of this", what exactly do you mean, ie smell, noise, traffic, ravens, eyesore?

Podman

There's too much waste, it is propagated by a throw-away attitude towards all the products we buy.
We are addicted to our individually wrapped convenience.

There is still a fair bit of building going on in Lusk, I would guess the developers don't have a giant rat printed on their stationery?

Carawaystick

TMaxx either you're being delibrately naive or you are awfully trusting of the local govt in the Dublin area.

I got a pamphlet today from fingal coco telling me there's going to be water shortages because even though they allowed loads of people move to FIngal, they never bothered improving the water supply to meet the needs of the people living in the homes fingal coco gave planning permission for.

You may have read about the fine tower along the M50 that was built about 3 years ago which contains no water because it leaks.

Balleally has generated smells, rubbish and traffic in the Lusk area while it was operating.

Lusk is hardly the only place in the entire county of Dublin that is suitable to build a new dump, no more than Donabate is the only place suitable to build a sewage treatment plant.

T-Maxx

Carawaystick wrote: »

TMaxx either you're being delibrately naive or you are awfully trusting of the local govt in the Dublin area.

Neither. All I've read so far in this thread boils down to exactly what I've said in my post #8, ie "Not on my doorstep".

Carawaystick wrote: »

I got a pamphlet today from fingal coco telling me there's going to be water shortages because even though they allowed loads of people move to FIngal, they never bothered improving the water supply to meet the needs of the people living in the homes fingal coco gave planning permission for.

In some aspects I think planners are even worse than bankers.

Carawaystick wrote: »

You may have read about the fine tower along the M50 that was built about 3 years ago which contains no water because it leaks.

The leaking tower is actually the one in Ballycoolin.

Carawaystick wrote: »

Balleally has generated smells, rubbish and traffic in the Lusk area while it was operating.

These are legit points that have to addressed by the authorities. It can be physically measured and controlled. And enforced.

Carawaystick wrote: »

Lusk is hardly the only place in the entire county of Dublin that is suitable to build a new dump, no more than Donabate is the only place suitable to build a sewage treatment plant.

Maybe so, but geographically I'd say it's ideal. The point is just that wherever it goes, and face it it is needed, it will inevitably impact on some.

Fingalian

How are things going with the incinerator in D4 , that is Gormleys doorstep ain't it? It would be nice if NCD had some powerful local politicians.

SeaSide

From Twitter:

"Alan Farrell TD
@AlanFarrell
Following

I have just been informed that the Tooman/Nevitt Landfill proposal for #fingal will not go ahead."

Cardinal Richelieu

SeaSide wrote: »

From Twitter:

"Alan Farrell TD
@AlanFarrell
Following

I have just been informed that the Tooman/Nevitt Landfill proposal for #fingal will not go ahead."

So does that mean Ballealy remains open?

If so it must have been a last minute decision since they had the car wash and weigh bridge for sale in the newspaper this month.

Beasty

Article here

SeaSide

Looking forward to taking the kids to Vega City woot :cool:

Fingalian

Vega City ! wow I had forgotten about that, access from a Metro North spurline running up the middle of the M1, Casinos,Dancing girls, Free drink! Would have been the ruination of us!

Kintarō Hattori

I'm from Kill in Kildare originally and as you might recall a dump was opened there many years ago to cater for the waste from Dublin. It was to be located in sealed containers buried in the ground.

On many occasions on a clear calm day you could smell the dump from up to 2 miles away. It wasn't absolutely rotten but it was a noticeable smell. I hope for people in and around the area that it doesn't get the go ahead.

Cardinal Richelieu

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

I'm from Kill in Kildare originally and as you might recall a dump was opened there many years ago to cater for the waste from Dublin. It was to be located in sealed containers buried in the ground.

On many occasions on a clear calm day you could smell the dump from up to 2 miles away. It wasn't absolutely rotten but it was a noticeable smell. I hope for people in and around the area that it doesn't get the go ahead.

Its not going ahead thats why this thread was revived. The council has two plots of land for sale if your interested.

Kintarō Hattori

Cardinal Richelieu wrote: »

Its not going ahead thats why this thread was revived. The council has two plots of land for sale if your interested.

Oh that's great news. My apologies I didn't pick up on it, I'm in work so hadn't time to read all the posts in-depth.

I'm not quite sure the auld finances would stretch to buying a plot of land. Perhaps some other day.