Help needed! really mad over this

Spunk84

Hello,

i recently went to an internal job interview, i was told by my co workers dont even bother doing it as the company always have the person they want before hand for the job i.e AS@LICKERS :eek::eek::eek: .{mod can delete the word if needed}

The other person has the job before the interviews are even held:(:(

i asked the management is this a fair interview and they said "of course it is" and today i find out that a less qualified person who i was told already had the job before i applied got it:mad::mad:

Hows is this fair??? if you are as good or even better as the other person in the interview and you dont get the job, whats the point in even doing the interview?

Can this be proven, that the interview was unfair? or can a descision be changed if you go further with it i.e union or labour courts?

Really mad over this, need some help

jimmycrackcorm

Speak to HR and tell them what you know ,(especially that several co-workers had known that someone else was getting the job prior to interview). Ask, in the light of this, for an explanation why a lesser-qualified candidate was given the job.

Spunk84

ill throw in another thing as well, our HR is our General manager?:mad:

he supposed to be unbiased but he has to inform his managers of what the company wants, again not fair as far as being inpartial in descisions

Any other info i can get

Berty

Did you truly ask in the interview if the interview was actually fair?

Morlar

Berty wrote: »

Did you truly ask in the interview if the interview was actually fair?

What on earth would be the point of that question ?

If they already have their candidate in mind (for whatever unknown reason) then that question is not suddenly going to change anything.

If they don't already have someone in mind then that question makes you look like a poor choice of candidate. in my opinion.

Spunk84

As for the question of asking the interviewer, yes i asked was it a fair interview before they took place.I was told it was fair:(

pow wow

It happens all the time. Proving it is another matter.

Berty

Spunk84 wrote: »

As for the question of asking the interviewer, yes i asked was it a fair interview before they took place.I was told it was fair:(

I'd say the question itself borked it for you. You were never going to get the job after saying that.

John Mason

standard "unwritten" practice for internal interviews.

you still have to go for the interviews to "show willing" and maybe you will say something which will make the interviewer think of you for the next job

mrgardener

To be honest, I'm not surprised that you didn't get the job. It sounds like you had a bad attitude going into the interview. Maybe you should figure out why someone with less qualifications was offered the job? Attitude perhaps?

Mrs OBumble

Berty wrote: »

I'd say the question itself borked it for you. You were never going to get the job after saying that.

+1

OP, let me offer you a small piece of advice: before you ask anyone anything, consider what sort of answer they will be able to give you, and what the consequences of that answer might be.

Spunk84

mrgardener wrote: »

To be honest, I'm not surprised that you didn't get the job. It sounds like you had a bad attitude going into the interview. Maybe you should figure out why someone with less qualifications was offered the job? Attitude perhaps?

See there your jumping to conculsions:mad: The reason he got the job cause he is not Irish paid half of what im on and when told to jump he say " how far masa"

but no my attitude was friendly and it wasnt a direct question it was more like a friendly chat day or 2 before the interview with the manager, with abit of Sh** stirring thrown in to find out was it even bothering to apply for

Also i was approached by 5 out of the 9 managers we have and told that in my interview was a very good one and that the managers who i had interviewed with were more than surprised

it was said i answered all the questions without a problem, offered how to improve the current job but not go over board, also my work experience met the job requirements and even added more experience....:cool:


but were getting side tracked my question is " is there any chance in changing their decision or even tackle it, using union or going to HR?" Also i know it shows "willingness's" for the next job but when you go for a job interview you put everything into it and then to be feed a cock and bull story why u didnt get the job is disheartening:(:(

mrgardener

Spunk84 wrote: »

See there your jumping to conculsions:mad: The reason he got the job cause he is not Irish paid half of what im on and when told to jump he say " how far masa"

Yep, your attitude sounds great.:rolleyes:
I rest my case.

Spunk84

i give up:eek:

donkey balls

Spunk84 wrote: »

i give up:eek:

hi there this problem has been going on in Irish&major bluechip companies for years,i know of one person who challenged the decision of a manager as he thought he was hard done by.
he ended up not getting the position and just got a very well written pfo leter from the HR manager, my advise is to just get on with your job and use it as a life experience and yes i have been there bought the t-shirt etc bit my tongue and landed myself a good job with a sh*Tload of responsilbilty years later with the same company.

bbam

Spunk84 wrote: »

See there your jumping to conculsions:mad: The reason he got the job cause he is not Irish paid half of what im on and when told to jump he say " how far masa"

but no my attitude was friendly and it wasnt a direct question it was more like a friendly chat day or 2 before the interview with the manager, with abit of Sh** stirring thrown in to find out was it even bothering to apply for

Also i was approached by 5 out of the 9 managers we have and told that in my interview was a very good one and that the managers who i had interviewed with were more than surprised

it was said i answered all the questions without a problem, offered how to improve the current job but not go over board, also my work experience met the job requirements and even added more experience....:cool:


but were getting side tracked my question is " is there any chance in changing their decision or even tackle it, using union or going to HR?" Also i know it shows "willingness's" for the next job but when you go for a job interview you put everything into it and then to be feed a cock and bull story why u didnt get the job is disheartening:(:(

To be honest I'd say your attitude came through in the interview...after interviewing for a while you can easily spot tell tale signs of such attitude.. You may just have been told you did well to keep you quiet in the hope you'll get the next job..

I interviewed for years in a large multinational and would black mark you straight away for asking was the interview fair... It's like accusing the panel of telling lies..

Yes most internal jobs are filled before the interview stage, how a person performs every day over a period of time is an excellant way to measure their furure performance.. External interviews are very different and taken more seriously.

Spunk84 wrote: »

when told to jump he say " how far masa"

that's down right pig ignorant talk

yeahimhere

bbam wrote: »

Yes most internal jobs are filled before the interview stage, how a person performs every day over a period of time is an excellant way to measure their furure performance.. External interviews are very different and taken more seriously.

Yup, I've seen that's the case. I can't really complain though as it's worked in my favour before. A manager had seen my work and asked me to go for the role even though personally I thought I wasn't qualified for it yet. Suprise suprise I got the job.

However, it can be a bit harsh. My boyfriend went for an internal role before as he wanted a change. It was only a lateral move but his managers thought he was crazy going for it. They gave it to someone else because they had him earmarked for a role further down the line. I don't think it's fair for them to play "God" with your career but unless you can prove it....nothing can be done.

In your case though, I don't know your qualifications or the other person who got the job. They may have some previous experience that you don't know about that would be a perfect fit for the role in question.

Imposter

You have 2 options - 1 - take it on the chin and get on with your work or - 2 - Leave the company and if asked give this as the reason if you wish.

Spunk84

that's down right pig ignorant talk[/QUOTE]


no this is the truth, why cause its not politically correct:eek::eek:? its true there far this why it has been said

Berty

Spunk84 wrote: »

no this is the truth, why cause its not politically correct:eek::eek:? its true there far this why it has been said

Its not just that it is Politically incorrect. Its downright racist and your jealous.

Move on with it. We cannot ALL get promoted just because we want to. Here's a good old chestnut which I haven't said in a long long time.

You should be lucky to have a job, moaning about not being able to get an internal promotion. Some people are beating the repo and the banks from their doors because they cannot get a job.

Stop being jealous and racist and move on. :mad:

AnonoBoy

Spunk84 wrote: »

no this is the truth, why cause its not politically correct:eek::eek:? its true there far this why it has been said

If there a written section to the interview I can think of another reason why you mightn't have got the job.

Spunk84

Berty wrote: »

Its not just that it is Politically incorrect. Its downright racist and your jealous.

Move on with it. We cannot ALL get promoted just because we want to. Here's a good old chestnut which I haven't said in a long long time.

You should be lucky to have a job, moaning about not being able to get an internal promotion. Some people are beating the repo and the banks from their doors because they cannot get a job.

Stop being jealous and racist and move on. :mad:

LOL i will admit that was racist and for tat i will apologies,:(

im not lucky to have a job and this line is a joke, how are you lucky to have a job that would mean everyone in a job is lucky. the problem if you have no drive to get a job you wont, i work 2 jobs and have just started my third, there is plenty of jobs out there but people are just to picky in wat they will do:mad::mad:

A job is a job doesn't matter if you cleaning up crap in a night club or interviewing for years in a large multinational:cool::cool: money is money

3DataModem

Spunk84 wrote: »

Hello,

i recently went to an internal job interview, i was told by my co workers dont even bother doing it as the company always have the person they want before hand for the job i.e AS@LICKERS :eek::eek::eek: .{mod can delete the word if needed}

The other person has the job before the interviews are even held:(:(

i asked the management is this a fair interview and they said "of course it is" and today i find out that a less qualified person who i was told already had the job before i applied got it:mad::mad:

Hows is this fair??? if you are as good or even better as the other person in the interview and you dont get the job, whats the point in even doing the interview?

Can this be proven, that the interview was unfair? or can a descision be changed if you go further with it i.e union or labour courts?

Really mad over this, need some help

I wouldn't hire anyone who ...
> writes like this
> has this bad attitude
> is this trigger happy with the word "labour court" and "union"

...irrespective of how "qualified" or "worthy" they thought they were.

There is a lot more to passing an interview than being qualified.

Someone who writes like this and shows this sort of attitude... I'd chuck their CV in the bin and hire someone with more enthusiasm (some people mistake enthusiasm for [EMAIL="AS@LICKERS"]AS@LICKERS[/EMAIL]... those people are moronic).

ki

Spunk84

Rather than asking "Was the interview fair?"

Go to you manager and tell him/her that you were really disappointed that you didn't get the job, especially since you though you did well in the interview and though you could have brought a lot to the position.

Then ask how can you improve so that the next one doesn't get away from you.

Every manager loves being a mentor, i.e. being held in high regard by his underlings.

And yes this is a bit of ass kissing but if you want the internal promotions you need to do it, you said it yourself.

Good Luck!;)

miec

im not lucky to have a job and this line is a joke, how are you lucky to have a job that would mean everyone in a job is lucky. the problem if you have no drive to get a job you wont, i work 2 jobs and have just started my third, there is plenty of jobs out there but people are just to picky in wat they will do

And I wouldn't hire someone who spreads themselves so thinly either. How on earth can you do a good job when you are juggling three jobs? Why do you listen to office / work gossip?

Also it is an insult to say in this current climate that a person who is unemployed has no drive to get a job, there are thousands of people out there busting their arses every day trying to get a job and they are not picky, they just cannot get a job because hundreds of people are going for that one job (whether it's cleaning or a multinational).

smcgiff

This is a no brainer. You've admitted way up in the thread that the person who got the job has a better work ethic than you ( I know they are not the words you used), so mystery solved.

AntiRip

pow wow wrote: »

It happens all the time. Proving it is another matter.

+1

It does happen a lot!

Spunk84

ki wrote: »

Spunk84

Rather than asking "Was the interview fair?"

Go to you manager and tell him/her that you were really disappointed that you didn't get the job, especially since you though you did well in the interview and though you could have brought a lot to the position.

Then ask how can you improve so that the next one doesn't get away from you.

Every manager loves being a mentor, i.e. being held in high regard by his underlings.

And yes this is a bit of ass kissing but if you want the internal promotions you need to do it, you said it yourself.

Good Luck!;)

cheers will do that, as we have heard im one lucky person to have a job:rolleyes:

AARRRGH

pow wow wrote: »

It happens all the time. Proving it is another matter.

I don't even think it is provable. "Less qualified" doesn't necessarily mean not suitable or even not the most suitable.

My personal take on this is as follows:

Regardless of whether someone else was lined up for the job, asking "will the interview be fair" is basically the same as saying "I don't understand office politics and might be a bit immature", so you basically shot yourself in the foot!

ki's advice is good.

mrgardener

Keep working hard and one day your boss might think of you as someone they could promote.

InReality

I think the point is that internal interviews are a very different kettle of fish to external ones.
I'd just put it down as a learning experience.

2manyconditions

Berty wrote: »

Its not just that it is Politically incorrect. Its downright racist and your jealous.

Move on with it. We cannot ALL get promoted just because we want to. Here's a good old chestnut which I haven't said in a long long time.

You should be lucky to have a job, moaning about not being able to get an internal promotion. Some people are beating the repo and the banks from their doors because they cannot get a job.

Please dont use the 'your lucky to have a job line' Its not only depressing. Its the reason employers are using to treat employees like c Rap and shove their weight around too much. Thus providing a very unhappy and unhealthy working environment. People who have jobs (even the seemingly stable ones) are very worried about losing the job they have without this rubbish from employers. I don't accept this argument for the OPs query.

WRT to issue itself, I wouldn't complain to HR, you only hurt yourself in doing so and this may affect an application for a position further down the line. Keep in mind that you received very good feedback from other people. I think focus on that, its a very big positive, bide a little time esp if you would like to get a promotion at this company and a position will arise in time.

the_syco

Spunk84 wrote: »

The reason he got the job cause he is not Irish paid half of what im on and when told to jump he say " how far masa"

So? If I was going to promote someone, I'd want them to follow my orders, and not question everything I ask of them.

By questioning their ability to get someone, you, imo, mark yourself as a troublemaker. Those managers that were surprised that you didn't get the position probably saw what you did on a continual basis, and were happy with your work. I'm assuming the person you asked only saw you time to time, if ever?

You say the person who got the job was getting half of what you are getting? I'd say that's motivation to do a better job in their case.

Spunk84 wrote: »

money is money

And to some people a job is a profession.

=-=

Where do you work? I may be applying for a job there soon.

JJJJNR

Maybe the immigrant has a linkedin account...

:rolleyes:

MagicMarker

lol at some of the crap the OP is coming out with.

OP, sorry to say this, but employers generally hire the person who THEY think is better able to do the job. So clearly this other person was more qualified than you.

Spunk84

no he was hired not for his qualifications or work as he has proven many times he is incompetent without direction from others, he was hired because hes cheap labor like all other non nationals..

wat is wrong with Ireland, we have so many Irish people, generations of Irish people out of work at the minute because of these non nationals taking OUR jobs for sh@te money and being treated like slaves, with smiles on their face as they know after 4 years in Ireland they can go back home with enough money to live it up and will be setup in wat every sh@ite hole they came from :mad: am i the only one sees this???

We have become so afraid to say anything wrong about non nationals incase were classed as racist, were is the Irish? were is the people who told the Brits "we wont be walked over" and "hell no" we will be treated like slaves:(

5-10 years ago we didn't have this amount of non nationals and the country was thriving then we open the flood gates and now the Irish are drowning in their own COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!

Bloody ridiculous and some of the comments i have seen are pure crap tip toeing around this subject

goat2

Morlar wrote: »

What on earth would be the point of that question ?

If they already have their candidate in mind (for whatever unknown reason) then that question is not suddenly going to change anything.

If they don't already have someone in mind then that question makes you look like a poor choice of candidate. in my opinion.

lets put it like this
if i have 20 staff
there is a job oppertunity for one of them to climb the ladder
some have lots of experience and highly educated
some have less experience and less educated
yet there is one in the less experienced section who stands out as a brilliant worker, never off sick, always on time, would not mind putting in half hour extra in the evening if needs be,
i know who i would pick
and it would not be out of being favourite
it would be because of productivity

RoadKillTs

but employers generally hire the person who THEY think is better able to do the job.

That's not true at all. Generally it comes down to costs. They are not going to pay someone 35k when they can pay someone else 25k to do the same job.

The interviews are just part of the process to seem "fair" but the fact is they know who they are going to pick even before the interviews have started.


OP there isn't a lot you can do. My advice would be to just get on with it.

Edit: And please stop with that "they took err jobs" *****. It makes ya sound like a bit of a knob.

mrgardener

Spunk84 wrote: »

no he was hired not for his qualifications or work as he has proven many times he is incompetent without direction from others, he was hired because hes cheap labor like all other non nationals..

wat is wrong with Ireland, we have so many Irish people, generations of Irish people out of work at the minute because of these non nationals taking OUR jobs for sh@te money and being treated like slaves, with smiles on their face as they know after 4 years in Ireland they can go back home with enough money to live it up and will be setup in wat every sh@ite hole they came from :mad: am i the only one sees this???

We have become so afraid to say anything wrong about non nationals incase were classed as racist, were is the Irish? were is the people who told the Brits "we wont be walked over" and "hell no" we will be treated like slaves:(

5-10 years ago we didn't have this amount of non nationals and the country was thriving then we open the flood gates and now the Irish are drowning in their own COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!

Bloody ridiculous and some of the comments i have seen are pure crap tip toeing around this subject

You are a very bitter person. Suck it up and stop whinging. Whatever the reasons/excuses you come up with, the fact remains that your company preferred someone else for the role. If you don't like it - QUIT!

TJJP

goat2 wrote: »

lets put it like this
if i have 20 staff

Or it could be that I have 200 staff of mixed ethic background and I need a new middle manager who isn't card carrying.

OP you need to check your attitude – it shows here. If they give you a position of greater responsibility and you let fly, on comes the lawsuit. That would be costly, not to mention the bad work environment you might (given what’s posted on here) create.

If I were me, I’d hope you’d be so pissed as to leave. That might save all kinds of headaches for me in the longer term. I’m an employer, bottom line is the bottom line, but not at the expense of peoples dignity.

freelancerTax

Spunk84 wrote: »

no he was hired not for his qualifications or work as he has proven many times he is incompetent without direction from others, he was hired because hes cheap labor like all other non nationals..

wat is wrong with Ireland, we have so many Irish people, generations of Irish people out of work at the minute because of these non nationals taking OUR jobs for sh@te money and being treated like slaves, with smiles on their face as they know after 4 years in Ireland they can go back home with enough money to live it up and will be setup in wat every sh@ite hole they came from :mad: am i the only one sees this???

We have become so afraid to say anything wrong about non nationals incase were classed as racist, were is the Irish? were is the people who told the Brits "we wont be walked over" and "hell no" we will be treated like slaves:(

5-10 years ago we didn't have this amount of non nationals and the country was thriving then we open the flood gates and now the Irish are drowning in their own COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!

Bloody ridiculous and some of the comments i have seen are pure crap tip toeing around this subject

i think you'll find that non nationals didnt ruin the country - it was a small group of "elite" IRISH W@nkers.

its very clear to me why you didnt get the job. try in future to be more open minded and less bitter.

amdublin

Spunk84 wrote: »

wat is wrong with Ireland, we have so many Irish people, generations of Irish people out of work at the minute because of these non nationals taking OUR jobs for sh@te money and being treated like slaves, with smiles on their face as they know after 4 years in Ireland they can go back home with enough money to live it up and will be setup in wat every sh@ite hole they came from :mad: am I the only one who see this???

Good god. The mind boggles.

Best of luck OP. You've alot of growing up and maturing to do.

John Mason

OP, if i was your manager i wont hire you either.

i think you might have to tweak your attitude a little before you get a promotion in your company.

please remember that the irish nation went and worked all over the world as well. i worked in england in the 90's and came up against people with the same attitude as yourself - its really not a nice trait

eth0_

Spunk84 wrote: »

We have become so afraid to say anything wrong about non nationals incase were classed as racist, were is the Irish? were is the people who told the Brits "we wont be walked over" and "hell no" we will be treated like slaves:(

Sorry, you *are* racist and xenophobic, and your comments are not welcome on this board. I've banned you for 2 weeks so you can mull this over...

flash harry

Finally a Banning on boards I agree with, welldone mod

Spunk84

right back after a 2 week ban :(:(

so heres the story so far...found out the person got the job was on a student visa and been working more than 40 hours a week for the last 8 years:eek::eek::eek::eek: in the company,so went to HR and union voiced my opinion, in the terms of "you screwed me" sooooooooo "i will screw you"..{ mod you can edit "screw" if its not welcome}

was told it would be sorted within in a few hours, back and fourth it went, but the out come was he was told he was no longer needed and guess who got the job:D:D:

so now to the doubters, the managers who did the interview came back to me on Thursday to say i was their pick and the reason i was not given the job was that the other candidate was the general manager daughters husband
{which no one knew?}... thats why he got the job, not qualifications or etc etc

i was also told that i had some "balls" {again mod you can edit "balls" if its not welcome} to stand up for my rights as most of the non nationals {again mod you can edit "non nationals" if its not welcome} are walked over and that the company wanted people who know the job and can work without being told what to do but as their general manager "ORDERED" them to employ the other fello their hands were tied:eek:

so i guess after all the positive and negative posts i have learned 2 things:

1-Jobs 9 times out of 10 have a person in mind who they want. Managers lie and are merely pawns to their managers LOL

2-IRISH folks are not wanted in jobs as they speak up for themselves thus making them a nuisance to employ { again mod you can delete if this comment breaks your rules}

but in my case, i know you cant see me but im doing a Irish jig right now LMAO:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:

MagicMarker

Can we perma ban this bigot please?

Spunk84

why ban me i followed the rules of the forum, i even said "delete" if its not okay with the mod???

i was banned for 2 weeks and thus i learned my lesson? im giving an update on the thread which started?

correct me if im wrong but i have done nothing wrong here, i think you should be banned insiting bad feelings towards me:(

rebel10

Scares me to think people like this live and breathe amongst us. :mad:Shuddddderrrr!

Spunk84

rebel10 wrote: »

Scares me to think people like this live and breathe amongst us. :mad:Shuddddderrrr!

wat can you do, sometimes its a dog eat dog world.. no one will pay my mortgages if im let go;)

mrgardener

Spunk84 wrote: »

wat can you do, sometimes its a dog eat dog world.. no one will pay my mortgages if im let go;)

This is an old post. Time to get over it............