can Louth take Meath?

DARK-KNIGHT

hi,

just wanted to see what people thought about this pairing?

now last years leinster final was a great match imo, kildare were beaten by a decent side in the end but i just feel the occasion got to them.

now i know kildare only had a meh league but i was up watching them train in ballykelly for a while and believe me the lads are hungry and they are adament that they want their leinster medals this year!

kildare are a good team with great potential as last years all ireland championship proved.

on the other hand dublin have what seems to be a transition happening with some good young players hungry for a deluded dream of winning sam maguire.

they had a good win v tyrone but i believe tyrone didnt show up fully also the kerry game seemed lacking on both parts.

i honestly think kildare will have the edge with this one well hoping

and before anyone says a kildare man is biased yes i am but i know 2 senior dublin players personally now so i am not so biased really

should be a cracker i cant wait:p

any input?

robbie_998

no they cant..... stay at home


/thread

DARK-KNIGHT

robbie_998 wrote: »

no they cant..... stay at home


/thread

we will see;)

robbie your knowledge is never ending obviously with a short adding here

robbie_998

raycaulwell wrote: »

we will see;)

robbie your knowledge is never ending obviously with a short adding here

not really.... just didnt want to wastes anybodies time and get on with it

Stevecw

Hold on, neither of them have got to the final yet...postpone this thread for a few weeks!

Meath looked good today, Wicklow are improving all the time...can't be certain it will be a Dublin/Kildare final.

DARK-KNIGHT

robbie_998 wrote: »

not really.... just didnt want to wastes anybodies time and get on with it

ok thanks for that

ShamoBuc

I think Kildare have the capability to push this Dublin team all the way. A good start would be vital. The longer Kildare could stay close to Dublin the better, as the pressure would certainly mount on the Dubs. If Brogan was not firing on all cylinders then Dublin would not keep the scoreboard ticking over as they would like and Kildare could cause a 'shock'. If I had to put my house on either team winning this match up, I would bet on Dublin, but as a good value bet it would be Kildare for Leinster!
Time will tell...

DARK-KNIGHT

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I think Kildare have the capability to push this Dublin team all the way. A good start is vital. The longer Kildare can stay close to Dublin the better, as the pressure will certainly mount on the Dubs. If Brogan is not firing on all cylinders then Dublin may not keep the scoreboard ticking over as they would like and Kildare might cause a 'shock'. If I had to put my house on either team winning this match I would bet on Dublin, but as a good value bet it would be Kildare for Leinster!

agree that the safe bet is dublin in croke park but this team are hungry for leinster i just think kildare can cause that upset this year well i hope.

either way sam wont be won by any leinster team i fear other provinces are way superior!

corny

raycaulwell wrote: »

hi,

just wanted to see what people thought about this pairing?

now last years leinster final was a great match imo, kildare were beaten by a decent side in the end but i just feel the occasion got to them.

now i know kildare only had a meh league but i was up watching them train in ballykelly for a while and believe me the lads are hungry and they are adament that they want their leinster medals this year!

kildare are a good team with great potential as last years all ireland championship proved.

on the other hand dublin have what seems to be a transition happening with some good young players hungry for a deluded dream of winning sam maguire.

they had a good win v tyrone but i believe tyrone didnt show up fully also the kerry game seemed lacking on both parts.

i honestly think kildare will have the edge with this one well hoping

and before anyone says a kildare man is biased yes i am but i know 2 senior dublin players personally now so i am not so biased really

should be a cracker i cant wait:p

any input?

Dublin were the better side playing with 14 men last year. They've had a better league campaign in a higher division. They can want it all they want Kildare will still be second best.

Whats more pathetic a deluded dream for Sam or a Leinster title?

DARK-KNIGHT

corny wrote: »

Dublin were the better side playing with 14 men last year. They've had a better league campaign in a higher division. They can want it all they want Kildare will still be second best.

Whats more pathetic a deluded dream for Sam or a Leinster title?

kildare were the better team last year the occasion got the better of them imo yes dubkin had 14 men but for good reason!

and your last comment says it all you think you are entitled to win!

leinster might be kildares all ireland whats wrong with that? but we have some hope of winning leinster.

the league divisions mean nothing sure armagh in div 2? league is for trying new things and new players well for the smaller counties it is i think.

and you are so blunt in saying kildare cant, why cant they? discuss it rather than blurt out please?

also my thread is based around can kildare beat dublin not leinster i would love for kildare to win leinster but leinster champs mean nothing to certain people and i think thats just sad

Spiritoftheseventies

Welcome back RC

DARK-KNIGHT

Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »

Welcome back RC

thanks been v busy with a new baby boy:D

so spirit whats you view? im not tryin to flame here but looks like thats whats gonna happen:mad: why cant dublin fans seem to be able to take the team being criticised? kildare have been criticised for 10 years lol:o

can i just say i honestly cant wait for croker ah i feel at home there;)

flahavaj

Either way its a masive year for Kildare. McGeeney has had two yeras to instil his ethos on the players and they've proved steadily as each year has passed. I think a Leinster is a realistic target this year.

Spiritoftheseventies

raycaulwell wrote: »

thanks been v busy with a new baby boy:D

so spirit whats you view? im not tryin to flame here but looks like thats whats gonna happen:mad: why cant dublin fans seem to be able to take the team being criticised? kildare have been criticised for 10 years lol:o

can i just say i honestly cant wait for croker ah i feel at home there;)

I dont see Dublin winning the Sam and like most folks Im tipping Cork. We are very much a team in transition and hopefuly the additions of McAuley and Fennell will freshen up the team.

DARK-KNIGHT

Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »

I dont see Dublin winning the Sam and like most folks Im tipping Cork. We are very much a team in transition and hopefuly the additions of McAuley and Fennell will freshen up the team.

guy from marys, kelly is very good also one to watch for dublin

corny

raycaulwell wrote: »

kildare were the better team last year the occasion got the better of them imo yes dubkin had 14 men but for good reason!

and your last comment says it all you think you are entitled to win!

leinster might be kildares all ireland whats wrong with that? but we have some hope of winning leinster.

the league divisions mean nothing sure armagh in div 2? league is for trying new things and new players well for the smaller counties it is i think.

and you are so blunt in saying kildare cant, why cant they? discuss it rather than blurt out please?

also my thread is based around can kildare beat dublin not leinster i would love for kildare to win leinster but leinster champs mean nothing to certain people and i think thats just sad

Of course they were thats why they lost to 14 men. Grow up will ye.

Kildare are a decent side but with 5 straight Leinster titles i know who my moneys on. Sure if i were you i'd change the thread title to 'can Kildare take Wicklow'.

An Citeog

raycaulwell wrote: »

thanks been v busy with a new baby boy:D

so spirit whats you view? im not tryin to flame here but looks like thats whats gonna happen:mad: why cant dublin fans seem to be able to take the team being criticised? kildare have been criticised for 10 years lol:o

can i just say i honestly cant wait for croker ah i feel at home there;)

That's not going to happen.

One of the reasons why threads in here derail and flame wars erupt is because of sweeping statements like the above. It's only purpose is to get a reaction and it wont be tolerated in here.

Consider this a warning to all posters.

Hammer Archer

Theres the little task of Kildare beating Louth and then the winners of Wicklow and Westmeath before they can talk about beating Dublin. And even if they do get to the final, who's to say they'll be playing Dublin? Meath beat Kildare by a bit in the league so I wouldn't write us off

corny

raycaulwell wrote: »

on the other hand dublin have what seems to be a transition happening with some good young players hungry for a deluded dream of winning sam maguire.

why cant dublin fans seem to be able to take the team being criticised

Just to add its very clear what your intention is.

An Citeog

corny wrote: »

Just to add its very clear what your intention is.

If you have a problem with a post, use the report post function. That goes for all posters here.

DARK-KNIGHT

anyways back on topic anyone?

Pride Fighter

raycaulwell wrote: »

on the other hand dublin have what seems to be a transition happening with some good young players hungry for a deluded dream of winning sam maguire.

Now Ray, you cannot say the Dubs have a deluded dream of winning Sam Maguire. Many of the more experienced campaigners are from the 2003 all Ireland U-21 winning team, the 08 All Ireland club champions, 09 all Ireland club champions, this years U-21 all Ireland champions as well as winning six leinster titles out of the last 8.

Most of us Dubs are realists and know we may not win Sam any time soon. But there is good footballers here in Dublin and we would be around 5th or 6th favourites for Sam. With luck we can win it.

Be careful that you do not do any flaming or trolling, it is a fine line and you are quite close to it. I'm happy for now that everything is ok and will leave it at that.


As for your original question, can Kildare take the Dubs I'd say this. Of course they can. There is excellent footballers in Kildare, good mix of old heads and young players and what appears to be a brilliant up and coming manager. Will they? Like Dublin winning Sam, it would take a hell of a lot of luck but no reason why they cant.

Stabshauptmann

Stevecw wrote: »

Hold on, neither of them have got to the final yet...postpone this thread for a few weeks!

Meath looked good today, Wicklow are improving all the time...can't be certain it will be a Dublin/Kildare final.

Agreed. Wicklow V Meath, with Meath to win the replay; you heard it here first!

Orizio

Leinster is just very very weak - Meath are one of the better teams in it and they are extremely mediocre, a good midfielder, some classy forwards but little else. Kildare and Dublin aren't a whole lot better, and the latter have some players in important positions who will not be up to football in Croker over hard ground against the likes of Kerry.

corny

Orizio wrote: »

Leinster is just very very weak - Meath are one of the better teams in it and they are extremely mediocre, a good midfielder, some classy forwards but little else. Kildare and Dublin aren't a whole lot better, and the latter have some players in important positions who will not be up to football in Croker over hard ground against the likes of Kerry.

Don't know if anyone else heard this but to emphasise the point Nigel Crawford is the only man in Leinster (on a county panel) that has an All Ireland medal. Shows you the standard.

Kingdom

I think have a real chance of causing an upset against Kildare. They've some decent young players on the panel. That said Kildare should have enough - they've a bigger panel, and better players too.
Wicklow will take Westmeath, I don't know anyone who doesn't think that! So Kildare are far from certain of making the Leinster final. Micko will have Wicklow whipped into a frenzy.
The Dubs are odds on to make it from the other half, and will rightly be favourites again.

dcr22B

The only reason Kildare won't do anything this year is two words: Paul Grimley.

I think Geezer will struggle without him.

spongeman

I can tell you now Meath will beat Laois and put it up tp Dublin. Kildare would have to play a lot better than they are at present to take Wicklow, thats for sure.

ALL HAIL THE GARDEN COUNTY

Spiritoftheseventies

Stevecw wrote: »

Hold on, neither of them have got to the final yet...postpone this thread for a few weeks!

Meath looked good today, Wicklow are improving all the time...can't be certain it will be a Dublin/Kildare final.

Yes was thinking that myself. Early days in the Leinster championship.

Warper

I think the main danger to Dublin in Leinster is Meath who they will probably meet in the semi's. In last years LF Dublin were down to 14 men for most of the match and still won and are now going for 6 Leinster titles in a row. I think Dublin and Tyrone are the 2 standout bets for the Provincial football titles this year and both can be backed at odds against.

blackbelt

Can Kildare take the Dubs?...its possible but not probable.One thing I have noticed about Dublin and Leinster is when it seems that Dublin are at a low ebb,the other counties follow suit and we are either the best of a bad bunch or best of a decent bunch.Another trend is that usually when a team makes the Leinster Final against Dublin,they hardly cause a stir in the province or championship the following year.Look at Offaly and Wexford for example.

There is little to suggest that Kildare will go one further this year and take Leinster.The draw has been kind enough to them.Louth have beaten Kildare in the O Byrne Cup this year gone by as well as a qualifier in 2007 in Newbridge.This is a game Kildare won't be and shouldn't be taking for granted and I feel a Kildare team who struggled past Wicklow last year could be put to the pin of their collar by an unfancied Louth team.

Meanwhile,I wouldn't take Dublin for granted.This is essentially a new team.New backs,a quasi experienced midfield and a new forward setup look very good but the old guard that won matches before are gone.There is no Whelan,Ryan,Sherlock,Collie Moran and probably no Bryan Cullen.

Still,I think in Croke Park Dublin will have the edge.Meath have a good starting 15 but no real strength in depth in the squad.Obvious subs that can be brought on are Damien Sheridan,Peadar Byrne,Nestor and McGuinness.Otherwise you are looking at a young panel beyond the starting 15.

Tristram

I agree with a previous poster that the loss of Paul Grimley to the Kildare set-up was a big blow. On the back of their performances so far this year I wouldn't fancy Kildare to make the Leinster final. Hmmm... actually just checked the draw again. Kildare are on the weaker side (imo). They may well make it. Don't think they would win it even so though with Meath, Dublin and possibly Wexford and Laois all better than them.

kildare9

Can Kildare beat Dublin? I doubt it tbh. If we are to go by league performance they are a good step ahead of us. We should have beaten them last year in the LF if it wasnt for giving them such a good start and poor tactics when they went a man down. Kildare fans in this thread and in general should stop getting their hopes up about making it to a LF, we could easily be beaten by Louth or Wicklow. Louth beat us in the league and our backs had awful problems trying to stop Rooney and Judge. And as for Wicklow, Micko will have them well set for us again.
On the other side, I think Meath can easily beat Dublin. They match Dublins physical presense and have a decent defence to stop Dublins forward line.

Orizio

kildare9 wrote: »

On the other side, I think Meath can easily beat Dublin. They match Dublins physical presense and have a decent defence to stop Dublins forward line.

Did you watch the Offaly match? Meath's full back line was awful. Dublin's forwards would get scores for days off them.

If Kildare can't beat Dublin, then Meath certainly can't.

Tristram

I think that even after an experimental league for Dublin the gap between them and the chasing pack in Leinster remains pretty close to what is has been over the last while. It's a pity for all involved. Meath looked promising the summer before last but were disastrous last year. I'm not sure which was the blip if either. Kildare looked limited last year but did quite well but I expect them to fare worse this summer. Laois? God only knows how they have imploded as they have. Any Laois folk on the boards who can explain what the hell is going on in Laois that they arent doing a hell of a lot better?

Spiritoftheseventies

Was interested to hear McStay referring to Dublin as a second tier team the other night.. We may well be but we are in still in top six.
I dont think it would be the worst thing if we took the back door system. The system is flawed at the moment.
We had to wait six weeks last season for a game after winning Leinster and that undoubtedly had an impact.

dcr22B

Fair point Spirit but I think you'll find that a lot of the new lads in the panel would be very determined to get their hands on a Leinster medal and six in a row (despite the low standard of Leinster football at present) is not to be sniffed at.

I would definitely see Meath as a bigger threat to Dublin this year than the Lilywhites.

Spiritoftheseventies

dcr22B wrote: »

Fair point Spirit but I think you'll find that a lot of the new lads in the panel would be very determined to get their hands on a Leinster medal and six in a row (despite the low standard of Leinster football at present) is not to be sniffed at.

I would definitely see Meath as a bigger threat to Dublin this year than the Lilywhites.

Yes Cian Ward very dangerous from frees. Due an All star soon enough. Key for Dublin should they meet Meath is to snuff out the threat of Joe Sheridan, Stephen Bray, and Ward.
I will be curious though to see where Gilroy plays McAuley. Could be the key player for Dublin against Wexford.

rpurfield

id be confident of meath beating kildare but beating dublin's another story.as was said the dubs looked comfortable enough with 14 against kildare last year so i couldnt see them getting beat now by kildare.the bottom line with dublin though is if they want to win an all ireland they need ourselves and kildare to raise the standards too.

Dublinproud

Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »

Yes Cian Ward very dangerous from frees. Due an All star soon enough. Key for Dublin should they meet Meath is to snuff out the threat of Joe Sheridan, Stephen Bray, and Ward.
I will be curious though to see where Gilroy plays McAuley. Could be the key player for Dublin against Wexford.

Surely it has to be midfield...It's glaringly obvious McConnell can't field a ball and Darren Magee is...well Darren Magee.

Spiritoftheseventies

Given that McAuley is not your conventional midfield I would play him on the forty. Darren Magee did well in last Crokes game but given that Gilroy is doing a bit of spring clean on the team cant see him playing in the summer. Which is a bit of a shame. Still has a lot to offer.

tomaoo7

I honestly think Kildare are the least of our worries for the leinster championship...As for Meath can't see them being a threat Dublin have tightened up at the back with ross philly- conlon...in the full back line

df1985

As a Kildare supporter id love to say yes of course we can but truth be told i had higher hopes of it happening last yr than i do this year. Can we make it to the final, yes i think we can but that is down to our luck in the draw i feel.

I wouldnt rule out a meath-kildare final. that being said a dublin-wicklow final could happen.

Of course id love to be proved wrong, i will base my opinion on how they get on against louth which shouldnt be viewed as a certain win.if they were to beat them well, id think maybe yes they are championship ready but if they just play average we could get a serious awakening later on. lets hope they play like they did against laois last yr!

DARK-KNIGHT

df1985 wrote: »

As a Kildare supporter id love to say yes of course we can but truth be told i had higher hopes of it happening last yr than i do this year. Can we make it to the final, yes i think we can but that is down to our luck in the draw i feel.

I wouldnt rule out a meath-kildare final. that being said a dublin-wicklow final could happen.

Of course id love to be proved wrong, i will base my opinion on how they get on against louth which shouldnt be viewed as a certain win.if they were to beat them well, id think maybe yes they are championship ready but if they just play average we could get a serious awakening later on. lets hope they play like they did against laois last yr!

i think kildares game need to be consistant for 70 not play well for 20 and hang on etc! i would love to see the lads prove all wrong they are a great bunch of lads and are hard working!

as for wicklow yes micko will have them up to 90 to try and beat us but i still think kildare are much better. louth could be dangerous but i think we will beat by a few scores!

tbh i dont know where all positives are coming from meath i mean they are always strong but contenders???

laois are at best a poor side tbh but lilies and laois always gets excitable so hopefully no more fistycuffs there lol!

the dubs are in all a very good side ill admit but why cant any of the top 2 contenders ie kildare and meath take them? i say its time for a change a 6th leinster for dublin would be awful for all involved in leinster so hard to break a trend of bottling it. so if teams bottle it in croker against 55000 dubs then thats ok but i just cant stand the way leinster championship has gone such a defeatest attitude by leinster counties

remember the smaller counties YES WE CAN!

only problem for kildare is if dublin take earley out of the game then we have limited midfield status and although forwards now are scoring we need to get the ball to the forwards which is where earley is pinnacle imo!

do dublin fans find it boring not being challenged? maybe thats why you all ireland ambitions are not alive. when leinster strengthens then all counties will benefit until then most any leinster team can hope for is a few days in croker:(

Spiritoftheseventies

You look at the small counties who did bring in the outside managers, Paidi for Westmeath, Micko Kildare and Laois. They seemed to struggle a bit when they left.
Will be curious to see if Kildare can match the heights of last year but could be Meath may give Dublin the toughest challenge this year. Ward very accurate with the free taking last week.

Lemlin

I'd have to agree with Orizio above when he stated that Leinster is very weak and has been for years. If anything, it has hindered Dublin's chances rather than helped them. Kildare put it up to Dublin last year and I think they will again this year but Dublin have to be the favourites. Meath and Kildare have come on a bit but Dublin would still be the favourites for Leinster this year and I'd back them to make it as far as a semi final and then bow out to either Cork or Kerry.

McStay called Dublin a second tier team because they are. Cork and Kerry are the top tier now. Tyrone would have been before but I'm not so sure anymore. There's an argument that they could be included and an argument that they can't. That's not for this thread anyway. Dublin, Galway, Mayo and perhaps Armagh are then the second tier.

Even a poor Meath team always give Dublin a tough game so I think Meath will be a bigger challenge for Dublin than Kildare this year. If an underdog is to take Leinster, I'd argue it'll be Meath before Kildare. I also wouldn't read too much into Meath's first championship performance. Their backline looked poor but they'll improve. And let's not forget they had about 7 injuries and still racked up a nice score.

Spiritoftheseventies

Lemlin wrote: »

Even a poor Meath team always give Dublin a tough game so I think Meath will be a bigger challenge for Dublin than Kildare this year. If an underdog is to take Leinster, I'd argue it'll be Meath before Kildare. I also wouldn't read too much into Meath's first championship performance. Their backline looked poor but they'll improve. And let's not forget they had about 7 injuries and still racked up a nice score.

I think Meath are improving and have some good young players coming through in O'Rourke and Ward while Moyles and Sheridan give them plenty of experience.
They did play against fourteen men against Offaly and I think the measure for Meath is how strong they are in Leinster which they haven't been for awhile now.

Lemlin

Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »

I think Meath are improving and have some good young players coming through in O'Rourke and Ward while Moyles and Sheridan give them plenty of experience.
They did play against fourteen men against Offaly and I think the measure for Meath is how strong they are in Leinster which they haven't been for awhile now.

In fairness to them last year though, they were terrible against the Dubs and still gave them a scare towards the end. If they can get a good run of games to get into form at the start of this championship, they'll definitely give Dublin a stern test.

With the draw, when would Dublin be due to meet Meath/Kildare? I think I heard a Meath Dublin final is a possibility.

It'd nearly suit Dublin to have to play both so they get two good tests.

Spiritoftheseventies

Lemlin wrote: »

In fairness to them last year though, they were terrible against the Dubs and still gave them a scare towards the end. If they can get a good run of games to get into form at the start of this championship, they'll definitely give Dublin a stern test.

With the draw, when would Dublin be due to meet Meath/Kildare? I think I heard a Meath Dublin final is a possibility.

It'd nearly suit Dublin to have to play both so they get two good tests.

Yes I would really like to see Meath take on Dublin full on in Leinster. We need Leinster to be competitve again.
Some teams approach it differently. Would like to see the back door teams seeded re League places which could be sorted re four seeded pots.
That way the big teams are seperated in the quarter finals.

popebenny16

I am standing here beside myself, for i have just read several posts by Lemlin and agreed with everything he has said!!



I sincerely hope that by mid July normal service is resumed as soon as possible.

Anyway I think what you have here is a lot of uncertanty. Dublin are well mixed up, but they have this new gameplan of swarming defence and counter attack. I would not see any likilihood of going back to Pillers
"we'll score more than you" way of playing, and would see the Brogans doing more of a deeper role. For that I dont see us running massive scores up against the Meath defence, not unless we start to really dominate at mid way throught the first half and the shackles are unleashed. If that fails -and we saw it failing in the latter stages of the league - where is plan B?

I think the match against Kildare and/or Meath will be tense, edgy and nervy and in those conditions anyone could win.

I dont think that Leinster is going to produce any All Ireland Finalists this year though.

Lemlin

popebenny16 wrote: »

I am standing here beside myself, for i have just read several posts by Lemlin and agreed with everything he has said!!



I sincerely hope that by mid July normal service is resumed as soon as possible.

Anyway I think what you have here is a lot of uncertanty. Dublin are well mixed up, but they have this new gameplan of swarming defence and counter attack. I would not see any likilihood of going back to Pillers
"we'll score more than you" way of playing, and would see the Brogans doing more of a deeper role. For that I dont see us running massive scores up against the Meath defence, not unless we start to really dominate at mid way throught the first half and the shackles are unleashed. If that fails -and we saw it failing in the latter stages of the league - where is plan B?

I think the match against Kildare and/or Meath will be tense, edgy and nervy and in those conditions anyone could win.

I dont think that Leinster is going to produce any All Ireland Finalists this year though.

I think if people actually read what I write they'd agree most of the time. There's a few posters on here though that I've had skirmishes with and they're only too glad to try and argue with every point I make.

I can be controversial but I've been saying for years that Dublin didn't have an All-Ireland in them and I've been proven right every year. I'm actually looking forward to seeing what Gilroy's lads offer this Summer. Alot of the deadweight seems to have been moved on and players like Whelan and Jayo have gone so it'll be nice to see a potentially new Dublin team and what they have to offer.

Also, can anyone answer my question from above: can Dublin meet both Kildare and Meath or what way does the draw separate the three teams?