Joe Coleman on The Late Late Show

branie

anyone here see the interview, and what's their opinion on it?

Onesimus

branie wrote: »

anyone here see the interview, and what's their opinion on it?

I must say I gave it a fair listen and only got it half way through, but so far what I have seen and heard, I cant say I believe.

He claims that Mother Mary gave him a date for second coming which was 2015, and yet nobody knows when the second coming will be, so that really drove it home for me. He also was pointing the finger at the young lady in the audience and was claiming that she was condemning him, when she was clearly just questioning what it was he was doing.

The Church has also approached him and invited him in to have a look at him and talk to him about what he is feeling and he refused, thats a a big stumbling block for anyone who claims to believe in his claims.

With all that said I feel its important that we pray for him and not make fun of him, and just get on with our Daily lives. Its important though that the Church at least make some sort of a statement warning the faithful as its quite clear that many are being led astray.

toreadorx2001

branie wrote: »

anyone here see the interview, and what's their opinion on it?

see through him like a sheet of glass , he says he doesn,t charge a fee . 2 friends of mine went to see him separetly and were told the same thing and were both charged 60 euros each! He said on the show about the second coming of Christ was immminent ,, said he was given no date and later said 2014 .... which is it ,,,, so , make up ur own mind about him , ive made mine up ! ....chancer !!!!!!!!!!!

goat2

i am thinking we may have another christine gallagher here
not once during the interview with ryan tubridy , did he look at him during interview, he kept looking at floor,

toreadorx2001

goat2 wrote: »

i am thinking we may have another christine gallagher here
not once during the interview with ryan tubridy , did he look at him during interview, he kept looking at floor,

Re Christine Gallagher, she is more shrewd and cunning than Joe Coleman , as in rich man , poor man

goat2

toreadorx2001 wrote: »

Re Christine Gallagher, she is more shrewd and cunning than Joe Coleman , as in rich man , poor man

she started like him
she also wrote a book

DublinWriter

The words self-delusional, messianic, egoistic and twat come to mind.

If you are of the opinion that an all encompassing, all loving deity created this universe then you really don't need the likes of Christine Gallaghers or Joe O'Reilly acting as tour-guide.

toreadorx2001

DublinWriter wrote: »

The words self-delusional, messianic, egoistic and twat come to mind.

If you are of the opinion that an all encompassing, all loving deity created this universe then you really don't need the likes of Christine Gallaghers or Joe O'Reilly acting as tour-guide.

ur point is ??

toreadorx2001

toreadorx2001 wrote: »

ur point is ??

Defensive would be a word i would think morelike

murraymarmalade

toreadorx2001 wrote: »

see through him like a sheet of glass , he says he doesn,t charge a fee . 2 friends of mine went to see him separetly and were told the same thing and were both charged 60 euros each! He said on the show about the second coming of Christ was immminent ,, said he was given no date and later said 2014 .... which is it ,,,, so , make up ur own mind about him , ive made mine up ! ....chancer !!!!!!!!!!!

your friends handed over 60 euro each to him:eek: well all i can say is there is 1 born every minute,fair play to you joe. keep reeling them in peace out.

axer

Where's everybody's faith all of a sudden?

lmaopml

Our Lady has made her message known to plead for people to turn to her son, it's her signature, and always has been as a special Christian, the very first ever Christian!.... it's never about her, it's always about the first Christian pointing the way to the ultimate Christian....I am always 'dubious' of any claims and see no harm when it just calls people to 'prayer'....However, I don't understand why Our Lady would impart 'end of days' advice to Joe...especially when mass was being celebrated about 20ft away at the same time...


Sorry, but no..I hope the guy is 'ok' and finds peace, but he has no message I need..

There are so many charlatans these days it's hard to fathom what is harmless to what is really harmful testimonies..

It makes me glad that I know myself. It's always good to know yourself first.

toreadorx2001

murraymarmalade wrote: »

your friends handed over 60 euro each to him:eek: well all i can say is there is 1 born every minute,fair play to you joe. keep reeling them in peace out.

u are so right Marmalade , but i only hope people can see through the charade from the Late Late Show tonite

murraymarmalade

toreadorx2001 wrote: »

u are so right Marmalade , but i only hope people can see through the charade from the Late Late Show tonite

yeah in fairness,like has been said here,he stared at the floor when talking to ryan and what the hell did he say about his teeth bieng pulled down by the devil?:eek:

i dont know what else to say about him,probably best for me to just read the comments.

DublinWriter

toreadorx2001 wrote: »

ur point is ??

Self evident.

ocokev

He claimed to be the new Padre Pio, we want blood Joe.

Onesimus

lmaopml wrote: »

Our Lady has made her message known to plead for people to turn to her son, it's her signature, and always has been as a special Christian, the very first ever Christian!.... it's never about her, it's always about the first Christian pointing the way to the ultimate Christian....I am always 'dubious' of any claims and see no harm when it just calls people to 'prayer'....However, I don't understand why Our Lady would impart 'end of days' advice to Joe...especially when mass was being celebrated about 20ft away at the same time...


Sorry, but no..I hope the guy is 'ok' and finds peace, but he has no message I need..

There are so many charlatans these days it's hard to fathom what is harmless to what is really harmful testimonies..

It makes me glad that I know myself. It's always good to know yourself first.

When looking at a potential Prophet, one has to look for contradictions in what they say and measure it with a yardstick to see if it complies with the faith. One also has to look at the fruits, Poverty chastity and obedience to the Church, so far the Church has invited him in for investigation on his claims and he refused it.

He also complains a lot about the anti spirit of the media, and even went mad at the young lady and told her that she was condemning him when she quite clearly wasnt, I dont think that this thread could expand much on a conversation upon Joe. he also used the words I predicted, when its Our Lady or our Lord who such predictions should be attributed to.

I dont think it was fair for the Media to invite him on the late late show, the man quite clearly needs help and I feel that such an appearance only opened the gates to make fun of him and to ''make good telly''.

lmaopml

It doesn't matter in the big scheme of things really...but yep, that's the general thrust....It's up to truthful personal reflection at the end of the day..

I don't really care for Joe, but 'Our Lady' yeah..she deserves imitation....she was some kind of lady!

Onesimus

lmaopml wrote: »

It doesn't matter in the big scheme of things really...but yep, that's the general thrust....It's up to truthful personal reflection at the end of the day..

I don't really care for Joe, but 'Our Lady' yeah..she deserves imitation....she was some kind of lady!

Well, you should care for Joe, he is a beloved Child of Our Lady whom she loves very much, so you should certainly be compassionate towards him and give him your prayers. He will certainly be in mine.

barrackali

Poor Joe, why isn't he in a special place where he could avail of some god dam needed treatment?

RTE must be totally broke if they had to bring a nutter like him on the show.

LordSutch

But in his head its all true! The poor man is obviously delusional, he sounds like a throw-back to some medieval soothsayer, predicting all manner of visions related to Our Lady, and various saints, angels, and even Jesus himself ! (Joe should not be on prime time Television).

JimiTime

I think he's half fraud and half nuts. The RCC reap what they sow with these guys.

philologos

Camelot wrote: »

But in his head its all true! The poor man is obviously delusional, he sounds like a throw-back to some medieval soothsayer, predicting all manner of visions related to Our Lady, and various saints, angels, and even Jesus himself ! (Joe should not be on prime time Television).

Dare I open a can of worms here?

If we are to understand that Joe Coleman is mistaken, we need to ask ourselves, how is Joe Coleman mistaken in a way that Biblical figures who had visions such as Jacob, Daniel, Paul the Apostle and so on weren't?

iUseVi

Jakkass wrote: »

Dare I open a can of worms here?

If we are to understand that Joe Coleman is mistaken, we need to ask ourselves, how is Joe Coleman mistaken in a way that Biblical figures who had visions such as Jacob, Daniel, Paul the Apostle and so on weren't?

Can of worms?! That's a slippery slope that leads to my world. I'll welcome you with cake when you arrive.

philologos

Asking the question doesn't mean that you'll be welcoming me. Although, I do enjoy cake :pac:

iUseVi

Jakkass wrote: »

Asking the question doesn't mean that you'll be welcoming me. Although, I do enjoy cake :pac:

It has a cherry on top.

Onesimus

JimiTime wrote: »

I think he's half fraud and half nuts. The RCC reap what they sow with these guys.

Jimi, what are you on about, the RCC are to blame for people like Joe? cop yourself on man, and take a look at all the mad evangelical headcases roaming the world making bold claims and creating cults and sects.

Not just Christians but there are tonnes of sects of all different types of religions making bold claims.

These are the false teachers and prophets of the last days, easy to recognise and unfortunately just something we have to put up with.

JimiTime

Onesimus wrote: »

Jimi, what are you on about, the RCC are to blame for people like Joe?

Partly. They have much more blame in terms of the people who think he's genuine.

cop yourself on man,

What can I say, its a very flawed institution. Like many/all religions. This is one particular byproduct of one of its flaws. I understand devout catholics are very precious about their institution, but I call it like I see it.

and take a look at all the mad evangelical headcases roaming the world making bold claims and creating cults and sects.

And?

Not just Christians but there are tonnes of sects of all different types of religions making bold claims.

And? Have I said anything to the contrary?

These are the false teachers and prophets of the last days, easy to recognise and unfortunately just something we have to put up with.

What about Fatima or Lourdes? What makes them different? Or do you believe that was nonsense too? We have a load of people in a field here claiming that Joe Coleman is the real deal, whats the difference? If he hapened to live before the media age, would he be in the same class as Bernadette et al?

barrackali

JimiTime wrote: »

Partly. They have much more blame in terms of the people who think he's genuine.



What can I say, its a very flawed institution. Like many/all religions. This is one particular byproduct of one of its flaws. I understand devout catholics are very precious about their institution, but I call it like I see it.



And?


And? Have I said anything to the contrary?



What about Fatima or Lourdes? What makes them different? Or do you believe that was nonsense too? We have a load of people in a field here claiming that Joe Coleman is the real deal, whats the difference? If he hapened to live before the media age, would he be in the same class as Bernadette et al?

He would have been locked up in a mental asylum....face it man, the guy is a headcase.

lmaopml

Gosh, I don't understand why people don't really get why Our Lady would play a part in Christianity. It's weird to think that she would have no part whatsoever, like so many saints, but she was the very 'first' Christian, the one who said 'yes', the new 'Eve' and likewise, the church itself is skeptical too of such claims, and as to whether they are true claims or no..

Medjugoria has daily phenomena, but it isn't recognised..perhaps because we shouldn't need the fantasic these days, it's enough to know how precious we are really...and of course to investigate the message....

Joe is starting off on the backfoot, like all faithful, but 'Bernadette' and the children of Fatima have had so much to go through to commit themselves that I can't understand why anybody would not believe them over others who have been moved by faith, or have been prophets, actually, it's more likely it would be children to my mind..

I often find it equally weird when it's reported that Catholics believe that Our lady is the focal point; as in our saviour....huh? not in any class I've ever attended, even when I couldn't have cared less and was agnostic/atheist......we only ever asked her to pray for us..

She is the Mother of Christianity and one of the commandments is to honour our mother and father...I imagine Jesus has a special place in his heart for the 'human' mother of his church that made his coming so profoundly free willed....

Perhaps it strikes a chord to have a mother and father, in so far as our faith is concerned, but I really don't get why Our Lady is written off as a Catholic phenomena, or even that she is placed above the saviour which is something I was never taught even when I was agnostic..lol...

As a female, I think she is awesome, and a wonderful mother..it doesn't diminish my faith in Jesus, it just makes his coming more 'real'...having a mother.

barrackali

lmaopml wrote: »

Gosh, I don't understand why people don't really get why Our Lady would play a part in Christianity. It's weird to think that she would have no part whatsoever, like so many saints, but she was the very 'first' Christian, the one who said 'yes', the new 'Eve' and likewise, the church itself is skeptical too of such claims, and as to whether they are true claims or no..

Medjugoria has daily phenomena, but it isn't recognised..perhaps because we shouldn't need the fantasic these days, it's enough to know how precious we are really...and of course to investigate the message....

Joe is starting off on the backfoot, like all faithful, but 'Bernadette' and the children of Fatima have had so much to go through to commit themselves that I can't understand why anybody would not believe them over others who have been moved by faith, or have been prophets, actually, it's more likely it would be children to my mind..

I often find it equally weird when it's reported that Catholics believe that Our lady is the focal point; as in our saviour....huh? not in any class I've ever attended, even when I couldn't have cared less and was agnostic/atheist......we only ever asked her to pray for us..

She is the Mother of Christianity and one of the commandments is to honour our mother and father...I imagine Jesus has a special place in his heart for the 'human' mother of his church that made his coming so profoundly free willed....

Perhaps it strikes a chord to have a mother and father, in so far as our faith is concerned, but I really don't get why Our Lady is written off as a Catholic phenomena, or even that she is placed above the saviour which is something I was never taught even when I was agnostic..lol...

As a female, I think she is awesome, and a wonderful mother..it doesn't diminish my faith in Jesus, it just makes his coming more 'real'...having a mother.

So what is your view of Joe, do you actually believe that nutter?

lmaopml

No, I don't...

..there is a very rigorous questioning as regards whether a person can be taken for 'real'..and Joe doesn't tick all the boxes, actually he failed dismally..and most Catholics themselves could see that before the reporters put pen to paper...

We have, the same as before prophets....I believe St.Bernadette....and can see the wisdom in the choice of a youngster..

As regards Our Lady however, I just feel sad when I see the guffaws...because it's perfectly logical to me that she would play a key role...

Maybe it's the recession that brings them out, but really I don't know the guy,...perhaps he needs help, and tbh if his visions have proved anything, it's that he is to be pitied, because he has had his numbers diminish very quick.....

Athough it seems we don't have too much of that to spare these days (pity) other than for ourselves..

We're far to busy debating public v private blah blah blah.....

philologos

lmaopml: To be honest with you. I'm not sure about the spate of visions of Mary either, including Lourdes, Fatima and so on. I don't see why these people have a much better case than Joe Coleman.

The RCC version of Mary seems too elevated to me. I don't see why people would need saints such as Mary to intercede in prayer when one already has a relationship with God through Jesus Christ. Mary was a great woman, but people have tried to make her almost to deity status, and I don't know if that is correct. I don't see the need for her to be sinless, or the case for the Immaculate Conception from a Biblical point of view.

LordSutch

lmaopml wrote: »

Gosh, I don't understand why people don't really get why Our Lady would play a part in Christianity. It's weird to think that she would have no part whatsoever, like so many saints, but she was the very 'first' Christian, the one who said 'yes', the new 'Eve' and likewise, the church itself is skeptical too of such claims, and as to whether they are true claims or no..

I often find it equally weird when it's reported that Catholics believe that Our lady is the focal point; as in our saviour....huh? not in any class I've ever attended, even when I couldn't have cared less and was agnostic/atheist......we only ever asked her to pray for us..

She is the Mother of Christianity and one of the commandments is to honour our mother and father...I imagine Jesus has a special place in his heart for the 'human' mother of his church that made his coming so profoundly free willed....

Perhaps it strikes a chord to have a mother and father, in so far as our faith is concerned, but I really don't get why Our Lady is written off as a Catholic phenomena, or even that she is placed above the saviour which is something I was never taught even when I was agnostic..lol...

As a female, I think she is awesome, and a wonderful mother..it doesn't diminish my faith in Jesus, it just makes his coming more 'real'...having a mother.

Well, you see the thing is that from a 'Non RC Christian' point of view, we see statues of the virgin Mary in every RC Church, we see Roman Catholics with virgin Mary pendants, we see people praying at virgin Mary shrines, > and this is why other Christian denominations have the impression that the virgin mary is a Roman Catholic phenomena. (which it is)!

All other Christian Churches respect Mary as the worldly mother of Jesus on earth, but thats where the adoration stops. She would indeed be held in high esteem by other Christians, but not to the extreme extent that the RCC holds/venerates her . . .

marty1985

I watched the interview on the rte player online.

First of all, I have doubts about what he thinks he saw. I was very surprised by his claim that the devil himself taunts him, not just a demon, and I would've thought the devil would be a bit more powerful and, well, dangerous. He said the devil was the usual half goat creature we are used to seeing in mythology and such. But surely this image comes from somewhere and is based upon something else - I did a quick search on wikipedia and it claims the goat imagery began in Christianity in a way to demonise other religions.

femur61

€60 at a private viewing or did people hand money to him at Knock. I personally think its a load of BS but just because he looks at the floor during an interview doesn't mean he is a scammer. But another Christine Gallagher I do beleive he is. I remember when the moving statues caused a sensation during the 80's. Even then vuneralble gulable, even extremelly intelligent people were taken in the whole exiperience.

Killer Pigeon

I hated the way he tackled that young girl. A liar often goes on the defensive with the slightest whim but an truthful person often goes on the offensive after a being questioned at length.

Go to the following link:

http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies.php

if tells you the common, sometimes unnoticeable, that a liar has. Read it them watch Coleman's interview again on RTE player. His body language screams of deception.

jimm55

If I had just to know about Joe since he went puplic on the 1st of October last year, I would probably be as scpital as the anybody else. However, I know him since 1999. We became friends and had many long chats. I used to love testing his psychic ability. He always passed the tests with flying couours. eg. I used to bring him photograps , of people ,places, etc. and he could always tell a load of things about whatever it was. I was just a bit of fun, but the amount of stuff he could tell was was amazing. I also used to bring him to places where I knew something happened in the past. eg. I took him to a remote farmhouse where a murder was commited years before. The amount of detail he was able to tell about the murder , inclooded the size and colour of the murder wepon, and how it was used.
He broke off all contact with me almost a year ago. I have no idea why.
I know he used to charge 60 euro, when he had his clinic going 2006/2007. That probably was the going rate for a psychic /medium/healer in Dublin at the time. Why is saying now that he didn't charge.? When he can't be truthful about that , is it any wonder, the people don't believe him about the other stuf?
A few people have had miraculous cures at Knock and Kerrytown since Joe has gone public. eg. A man from Omagh (Charley McDonnagh) was cured of a broken neck bone on the 11th of October in Knock. He tells his story of the D.v.d that was made at the time by John Thomoson. Does that prove that Joe is not a fake, and that Our Lady was there?

JimiTime

lmaopml wrote: »

Gosh, I don't understand why people don't really get why Our Lady would play a part in Christianity.

Your lack of understanding is probably due to the fact that the above does not represent the views of most non-catholics. Mary played a HUGE part in Christianity. She was the MOST blessed of all women. She was chosen to give birth to our saviour!! She is of immense importance. HOWEVER, this does not mean we pray to her, call her 'Queen of Heaven' etc etc. There is absolutely NO evidence biblically that the reverence the RCC places on her is anything but dubious. The RCC say she remained a virgin after Jesus' birth. The bible indicates otherwise. The RCC say she was born without the inherant nature of Adam, The bible mentions nothing of the sort. The cult of Mary is like a sect within the RCC. Between relics of the dried milk from her breast that fed Jesus, to Angels moving her house etc etc. Its at the very least, an unhealthy obsession within the RCC.

I often find it equally weird when it's reported that Catholics believe that Our lady is the focal point; as in our saviour....huh? not in any class I've ever attended, even when I couldn't have cared less and was agnostic/atheist......we only ever asked her to pray for us..

This is lip service. Statues everywhere, medals, pictures, grotto's, relics, claims of visions, titles like QUEEN of HEAVEN. The fact is, the cult of Mary within the RCC has so many dubious claims that have absolutley no grounding in the bible.

She is the Mother of Christianity

She is the Mother of Christ, and blessed amongst women. This DOES NOT translate into the mother of Christianity. Christianity came from Christ. If you want to go this maternal route, then HER Mother is the grandmother of Christianity etc etc. its meaningless.

and one of the commandments is to honour our mother and father...

Yet the RCC completely DISHONOUR her by lying about her, and creating a cult around her. I can gurantee that she would be disgusted with the idoltry carried out in her name. She wants ALL GLORY, WORHIP and PRAISE to go to GOD ALONE, just like ANY GOOD CHRISTIAN WOULD, including our Lord Jesus himself.

I imagine Jesus has a special place in his heart for the 'human' mother of his church that made his coming so profoundly free willed....

Again, no-one denies the love God, Jesus, the angels etc have for Mary, the most blessed of all women. That however, does not translate into what the RCC have done.

Perhaps it strikes a chord to have a mother and father, in so far as our faith is concerned,

Maybe it does to some. Doesn't make it right though.

but I really don't get why Our Lady is written off as a Catholic phenomena,

Because the cult of Mary IS a catholic phenomena. The rest of Christianity keep her in reverence, and realise her vital role. They also realise that all the stuff said about her by the RCC in relation to Queen of heaven, immaculate conception and Ascention is completely unbiblical.

As a female, I think she is awesome, and a wonderful mother..it doesn't diminish my faith in Jesus, it just makes his coming more 'real'...having a mother.

Again, insignificant. I know a girl who went to a place in Italy to get off Heroin. She became deeply religious, catholic wise, but I've never heard her talk about Jesus. Its all Mary. Whatever claims you or the RCC make, they have created a very unhealthy cult of Marian devotion. You can play word games about it, and say its reverence, intercession etc etc. In practical terms however, the RCC have allowed this cultic devotion to arise.

IrishTonyO

I honestly think that the man is demented, and strangely enough all of his 'visions' etc came after him falling on his head.
I would also like to know if his income from 'donations' is declared to social welfare where he receives his disability benefit from, and to revenue.

axer

IrishTonyO wrote: »

I honestly think that the man is demented, and strangely enough all of his 'visions' etc came after him falling on his head.
I would also like to know if his income from 'donations' is declared to social welfare where he receives his disability benefit from, and to revenue.

How do we know but all the prophets had some sort of psychological problem or a head injury? - that includes the likes of Jesus and those who wrote the bible too.

dannyreg

Appeared pretty crazy to be honest. Bad form preying on the vulnerable

jimm55

Has anybody got Joe's book " The message " The incredible true story of the knock visionary, yet? I got it today, and had a quick scan through it. My first reaction is, that he should have left the word " true " off the cover of it. Joe used to be my friend, and I know all about his story. On page 141 , under the heading "apparition at Kerrytown September 29th 2009" he says "when the time came, I travelled there. Keith was unable to attend. We gathered at the statue................" THIS IS LIES. I was one of the 14 people there that night and JOE WAS NOT THERE.

Why is he doing this ? ? ?

ColmDawson

jimm55 wrote: »

Has anybody got Joe's book " The message " The incredible true story of the knock visionary, yet? I got it today, and had a quick scan through it. My first reaction is, that he should have left the word " true " off the cover of it. Joe used to be my friend, and I know all about his story. On page 141 , under the heading "apparition at Kerrytown September 29th 2009" he says "when the time came, I travelled there. Keith was unable to attend. We gathered at the statue................" THIS IS LIES. I was one of the 14 people there that night and JOE WAS NOT THERE.

Why is he doing this ? ? ?

Ah, now you see where we're coming from.

ocokev

jimm55 wrote: »

THIS IS LIES. I was one of the 14 people there that night and JOE WAS NOT THERE.

Why is he doing this ? ? ?

Because its his book Jim, when you are writing a work of fiction only a small part may resemble the truth.

barrackali

jimm55 wrote: »

Has anybody got Joe's book " The message " The incredible true story of the knock visionary, yet? I got it today, and had a quick scan through it. My first reaction is, that he should have left the word " true " off the cover of it. Joe used to be my friend, and I know all about his story. On page 141 , under the heading "apparition at Kerrytown September 29th 2009" he says "when the time came, I travelled there. Keith was unable to attend. We gathered at the statue................" THIS IS LIES. I was one of the 14 people there that night and JOE WAS NOT THERE.

Why is he doing this ? ? ?

The guy is what I would call a cunning loony, I hope he is going to pay back the welfare department from his book sales.

lmaopml

Jakkass wrote: »

lmaopml: To be honest with you. I'm not sure about the spate of visions of Mary either, including Lourdes, Fatima and so on. I don't see why these people have a much better case than Joe Coleman.

The RCC version of Mary seems too elevated to me. I don't see why people would need saints such as Mary to intercede in prayer when one already has a relationship with God through Jesus Christ. Mary was a great woman, but people have tried to make her almost to deity status, and I don't know if that is correct. I don't see the need for her to be sinless, or the case for the Immaculate Conception from a Biblical point of view.

Hi Jackass,

I understand you are approaching this from a different 'lens' as such and the marian doctrines are 'quite obviously' from the latter posts contentious. Actually, I was under the impression that the immaculate conception was biblical? and also, that some Protestant denominations adhere to it too? or perhaps it's the virgin birth?

Suffice to say that in normal everyday life, Our Lady as seen by most Catholics the same way we view our own parents who help us grow in faith...

Also, and I know, and again that you guys don't ask Saints for help as far as redemption is concerned and this leads onto other doctrinal differences....which could fill up the whole of the Christianity forum. We do though We take all the help we can get, and ask anybody who's willing to listen to pray 'for' us, family, friends, saints and indeed Our Lady who we look on as being a perfect Christian. Our Lady said she would be called 'blessed' by all generations..Catholics honour this and this is our prayer....it's said in many households world over for generations...

Hail Mary, full of Grace,
The Lord is with Thee,
Blessed art thou amongst women,
and Blessed is the fruits of thy womb Jesus,
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.

What's wrong with this prayer that takes away from Christ? It's a misrepresentation of how we 'actually' function to imply that it's either Our Lady or Jesus; not so, and this is not taught in the Catholic faith. It doesn't diminish Jesus for me as a Catholic? it gives me one more person who obviously God loved so much to pray to for intercession...I pray for my children all the time, I don't see why Our Lady wouldn't pray for us..

While I'm sure axer's post wasn't meant tongue in cheek or even meant to be....It was oddly placed in there too and it did make me think about how we actually 'form' our faith. I like the continuity of the Catholic faith, the 'faith' and 'morals' end of it especially...However, I'm no biblical scholar, but I try to be honest when searching for truth...much like my Protestant friends who do the same looking through their own varied lenses..

LordSutch

I think what puzzles us 'non RCs' is why Mary is held up as being on a par with Jesus in the RC Church, there are just so many statues of the virgin Mary in RC Churches, there are shrines to her too, and you also have the rosary, (This is bewildering to other Christians), Why? because as far as the rest of the Christian churches are concerned 'Jesus' is the focal point.

There is only one mediator between God & Man, and that is Christ Jesus.

keano_afc

Camelot wrote: »

I think what puzzles us 'non RCs' is why Mary is held up as being on a par with Jesus in the RC Church, there are just so many statues of the virgin Mary in RC Churches, there are shrines to her too, and you also have the rosary, (This is bewildering to other Christians), Why? because as far as the rest of the Christian churches are concerned 'Jesus' is the focal point.

There is only one mediator between God & Man, and that is Christ Jesus.

Very well put.

Any members of the RCC I have questioned about Mary usually give the same answer. "Sure there's no harm in praying to Mary". I'm afraid there is. Its breaking the first commandment by putting someone ahead of God's rightful place. Its showing that you have no faith in God to hear and answer your prayers, its almost like you are ashamed of Him and dont trust Him.

Perhaps someone of the RC persuasion can explain to me why they feel praying to God isn't sufficient?

lmaopml

keano_afc wrote: »

Very well put.

Any members of the RCC I have questioned about Mary usually give the same answer. "Sure there's no harm in praying to Mary". I'm afraid there is. Its breaking the first commandment by putting someone ahead of God's rightful place. Its showing that you have no faith in God to hear and answer your prayers, its almost like you are ashamed of Him and dont trust Him.

Perhaps someone of the RC persuasion can explain to me why they feel praying to God isn't sufficient?

Do you pray for you family to God?

It's the same thing. Simple.

I can appreciate that another branch of Christianity can seem foreign when you are only scratching the surface. That works across all branches, so you'll have to take my word for it that my 'faith' is intact despite saying the 'Hail Mary'.

Cheers

keano_afc

lmaopml wrote: »

Do you pray for you family to God?

It's the same thing. Simple..

So you're saying in the RCC Mary has equal standing with God?

Or am I (hopefully) misunderstanding you?