A&E Madness.

ziedth

So I had the delight of spending the 10 of the last 14 hours in A&E and for all the ****e public service workers get I think anyone involved out there it should be doubled.

It was simply crazy last night, on the way in I said to myself that with the majority of students gone it will prob be quiet and TBF it was when we arrived only a few broken bones floating around, then as if they got off work at 3am they came. Scumbags as high as kites and drunkards all floating around telling who thy were fighingt in town.

Two plain clothes garda came and arrested one guy for basically being drugged off his tits, I had one guy tell me in detail how he was fighting in town and then starting on q complete randomer then another guy saying twisted too saying he'd knife anyone who came near him with stiches.

I dunno how many of ya on here have been out there at this time but I will def think twice before I bitch and moan about the staff, they still took ages to get herself a bed though

old gregg

most importantly, I trust she'll not be there too long.

It can get pretty horrific after the pubs though. I suppose the trick is to have your accident early in the day

ziedth

Ah ya, it's only an eye infection by the
look of it they just gonna keep
her in till it clears up. I guess you can't mess around with your eyes and all!

anplaya

ziedth wrote: »

So I had the delight of spending the 10 of the last 14 hours in A&E and for all the ****e public service workers get I think anyone involved out there it should be doubled.

It was simply crazy last night, on the way in I said to myself that with the majority of students gone it will prob be quiet and TBF it was when we arrived only a few broken bones floating around, then as if they got off work at 3am they came. Scumbags as high as kites and drunkards all floating around telling who thy were fighingt in town.

Two plain clothes garda came and arrested one guy for basically being drugged off his tits, I had one guy tell me in detail how he was fighting in town and then starting on q complete randomer then another guy saying twisted too saying he'd knife anyone who came near him with stiches.

I dunno how many of ya on here have been out there at this time but I will def think twice before I bitch and moan about the staff, they still took ages to get herself a bed though

where were the rent a cops?last time i was in there at that time was for the missus too,those feckin lads wrecked my head more then the scobies at that time

gscully

It's probably worth it to pay the money and visit the VHI Swiftcare clinic in Whitfield. You're seen within the hour and don't have to be a member of VHI. You're limited in what they deal with there, but run of the mill stuff is ok.

ziedth

anplaya wrote: »

where were the rent a cops?last time i was in there at that time was for the missus too,those feckin lads wrecked my head more then the scobies at that time

No they were from what I could tell undercover cops (one was in a WIT hoody) and didn't look a day over 22. My guess is they were sone kind of drug squad or some very well armed students

anplaya

ziedth wrote: »

No they were from what I could tell undercover cops (one was in a WIT hoody) and didn't look a day over 22. My guess is they were sone kind of drug squad or some very well armed students

what i meant where was the security guys at the time?i had enough trouble trying to get in there at 1 in the morning ,as my missus was in a very serious condition,fcukers wouldnt leave me in at all.

AdMMM

gscully wrote: »

It's probably worth it to pay the money and visit the VHI Swiftcare clinic in Whitfield. You're seen within the hour and don't have to be a member of VHI. You're limited in what they deal with there, but run of the mill stuff is ok.

Did I read that the Swiftcare programme stopped running in Whitfield?

ziedth

Oh sorry,

Ya they were there alright but they really had their hands full with the various pissheads.

I had a run in with them before myself actually a couple of years ago. They wouldn't let me in to see herself funnily enough, TBF from what I saw last night I'd say you'd have to be a serious tosser to put up with it.

dayshah

I think it would be a good idea to have a separate mini A&E for a the druggies and piss heads. Fortunately I never was there at night, but I can only imagine if someone belonging to me was in a bad situation and had to deal with those d-heads on top of the actual reason of being there.

Did you get any grief from the druggies? Even if you didn't it hardly lends itself to a calming situation

anplaya

ye i was raging ,i was trying to explain the situation and they were like oh where is she etc i was like i dont know shes been rushed in and i came up etc,took them ages to finally leave me in,i was raging as it was something very serious and i was worried and frightened over it.

just saw dayshahs post,know it was directed at ziedth,but to be fair ,pissheads and druggies there didnt bother me ,they kinda knew to leave me alone as ya could see the state/mood i was in.they werent too pissed up/drugged up to have a bit of common sense unlike the security guys.

ziedth

Only ya man telling me about his fight but I could just get a bad vibe off them ya know and I wasn't comfotable by any means and like ya said it's a horrible situation anyway.

anplaya

ziedth wrote: »

Only ya man telling me about his fight but I could just get a bad vibe off them ya know and I wasn't comfotable by any means and like ya said it's a horrible situation anyway.

yeah especially in such tight quarters .

deisemum

It can be a frightening place at night, have been there a number of times at night, also spent christmas eve in there when I broke my ankle. Now that was scary and to see the state of them and that was in the morning.

mike65

Every A&E should have a seperate drunk/druggies block into which only the "d&ds" can go. No family, no friends, no hangers on.

Leo Demidov

ziedth wrote: »

No they were from what I could tell undercover cops (one was in a WIT hoody) and didn't look a day over 22. My guess is they were sone kind of drug squad or some very well armed students

Drugs task force?

Sully

wexfjord wrote: »

Drugs task force?

A lot of undercover Guards operate in that way, its common enough because most people fall for it.

ziedth

I for one would have def fallen for it, I can't stress how much these two guys looked like students.

hardybuck

Yes but you can spot their cars a mile off. Its a bad sign when someone who is totally removed from the drugs scene can see the drug squad Opel Corsa coming a mile off.

When they confiscate assets through CAB, these should be used in the field by the Gardai. I'm talking about Honda Civics and Range Rovers etc that are popular with criminals.

Back on track though, they should definitely have a separate A+E for those under the influence at a certain time at night. If you want to lose complete faith in humanity, go to Ardkeen at 3am.

JohnC.

They're closing A+Es around the country, so I don't think they'll be providing two in a hospital.

hardybuck

Wouldn't need two, just a partition door that they could pull across at a certain hour of night. Sober-enter through Door A. Under the influence-directed through Door B.

19.5V

hardybuck wrote: »

Wouldn't need two, just a partition door that they could pull across at a certain hour of night. Sober-enter through Door A. Under the influence-directed through Door B.

There are many cases of peoples lifestyle leading them to having to attend A&E, smokers, obesity, walking into a door, walking out under a car, drug use, alcohol use , driving too fast, a severe pain caused by years of bad nutrition..........this is life get over it........ anyone who goes to A&E and needs attention got there through a serious of events, a caring society dosen't segregate people who are in need of medical help.


Perhaps you find all this a little to much as it interferes with your little world, you should perhaps move to south africa...........oh no, too late they have moved on from this type of bullcrap. people who can cop-on should,..... which one are you?

hardybuck

19.5V wrote: »

There are many cases of peoples lifestyle leading them to having to attend A&E, smokers, obesity, walking into a door, walking out under a car, drug use, alcohol use , driving too fast, a severe pain caused by years of bad nutrition..........this is life get over it........ anyone who goes to A&E and needs attention got there through a serious of events, a caring society dosen't segregate people who are in need of medical help.


Perhaps you find all this a little to much as it interferes with your little world, you should perhaps move to south africa...........oh no, too late they have moved on from this type of bullcrap. people who can cop-on should,..... which one are you?

Hold on a second, you think its ok for people to be out of their minds on drink and drugs and to carry on however they like? Its unfair on the doctors, nurses, rent-a-cops, Gardai and patients. Someone who is sober and in need of treatment shouldn't be expected to listen to coked up morons ramble on, get in rows inside A+E and open up the stitches that they got 10 mins previously. When you step outside of the law you expect to forfeit some of your rights in society.

I have a world where I don't expect to have to incounter these sort of people who are completely out of control, and I'd say I'm not the only one either.

How about we both go to South Africa-you can move to the shanties, and I can move to the respectable middle class area, then we can both be in our element.

19.5V

hardybuck wrote: »

Hold on a second, you think its ok for people to be out of their minds on drink and drugs and to carry on however they like? Its unfair on the doctors, nurses, rent-a-cops, Gardai and patients. Someone who is sober and in need of treatment shouldn't be expected to listen to coked up morons ramble on, get in rows inside A+E and open up the stitches that they got 10 mins previously. When you step outside of the law you expect to forfeit some of your rights in society.

I have a world where I don't expect to have to incounter these sort of people who are completely out of control, and I'd say I'm not the only one either.

How about we both go to South Africa-you can move to the shanties, and I can move to the respectable middle class area, then we can both be in our element.

And all I had to do was scratch your surface, and look what came out!

Thankfully the doctors, nurses and guards dont adapt your attitude, maybe society need a special door for you to go through when someone dints your ego

hardybuck

What came out was that I believe people who are able to behave themselves shouldn't have to put up with the nonsense caused by drunks and drug addicts. Hardly controversial.

You on the other hand think its ok to be in this condition and act out of control. That is far more worrying.

19.5V

hardybuck wrote: »

What came out was that I believe people who are able to behave themselves shouldn't have to put up with the nonsense caused by drunks and drug addicts. Hardly controversial.

You on the other hand think its ok to be in this condition and act out of control. That is far more worrying.

I "on the other hand" did not say it was ok, i did say that ....this is life.

do you drink alcohol?
do you sample headshop stuff?
do you talk a little silly when taking alcohol?

if you dont do any of the above i bet you know some one who does

hardybuck

Do I drink-occasionally. When I do I conduct myself properly. I don't put myself in a condition that I'm out of control and a danger to myself and those around me.

Head Shops-certainly not.

I don't accept that I should have to sit for 10 hours in a room with those who can't handle themselves properly and in a civil fashion. I simply expect better. We have gone way backwards as a society when people such as yourself defend this sort of scenario, and tolerate his sort of behaviour.

19.5V

hardybuck wrote: »

What came out was that I believe people who are able to behave themselves shouldn't have to put up with the nonsense caused by drunks and drug addicts. Hardly controversial.

You on the other hand think its ok to be in this condition and act out of control. That is far more worrying.

Hypothetical situation here,
A friend of yours had a bit too much to drink, walking home he gets a hammering and finds himself in hospital injured and drunk, what next?

hardybuck

19.5V wrote: »

Hypothetical situation here,
A friend of yours had a bit too much to drink, walking home he gets a hammering and finds himself in hospital injured and drunk, what next?

If he is abusive to the staff and those around him then he is not a friend of mine.

19.5V

hardybuck wrote: »

Do I drink-occasionally. When I do I conduct myself properly. I don't put myself in a condition that I'm out of control and a danger to myself and those around me.

Head Shops-certainly not.

I don't accept that I should have to sit for 10 hours in a room with those who can't handle themselves properly and in a civil fashion. I simply expect better. We have gone way backwards as a society when people such as yourself defend this sort of scenario, and tolerate his sort of behaviour.

hey, you are not sitting in a room for 10 hours because of some drunk, you are sitting there because of government policy

ziedth

People get beaten up, murdered, raped, and robbed almost daily in this country THIS IS LIFE, that doesn't mean we should accept it let alone not do anything to try and stop it.

Hardybuck made a valid suggestion and I really don't understand the borderline personal abuse.

19.5V

hardybuck wrote: »

If he is abusive to the staff and those around him then he is not a friend of mine.

Nurses doctors & guards and even your friends change for the worse with alcohol

hardybuck

Ok, and where did I blame the drunk or drug addict for the 10 hour wait? If I must wait 10 hours I just don't want to be around them.

Ironically I've only been there twice and was seen within 30 mins each time for non-serious sports injuries. Must have been lucky...

hardybuck

19.5V wrote: »

Nurses doctors & guards and even your friends change for the worse with alcohol

I don't mix with people who can't handle their drink properly. End of.

19.5V

ziedth wrote: »

People get beaten up, murdered, raped, and robbed almost daily in this country THIS IS LIFE, that doesn't mean we should accept it let alone not do anything to try and stop it.

Hardybuck made a valid suggestion and I really don't understand the borderline personal abuse.

are you getting a little hysterical?
Murder, rape !!

ziedth

No I don't think so,

the point remains the same. If you accept these assholes who cause all this **** when drugged to their eyesballs because it's part of life why not accept everything else?

19.5V

ziedth wrote: »

No I don't think so,

the point remains the same. If you accept these assholes who cause all this **** when drugged to their eyesballs because it's part of life why not accept everything else?

You are obviously a very lucky not to be related to an asshole who suffers from addiction............I hope the sun continue to shine on you

ziedth

I had a family member that drank himself to an early grave, bottle of whiskey a day at his peak.

He never so much as raised his voice to anyone.

19.5V

I rest my case

ziedth

Well not exactly,

Ya seem to suggest that everyone with an addiction does and can get away with acting the maggot.

The point I'm making is that my family member has bad as he was never went into A&E and kicked up **** with anyone.

Anyway I'm done with this now, I hope you'll be as understanding if sone yon jumps you in town.

19.5V

ziedth wrote: »

I had a family member that drank himself to an early grave, bottle of whiskey a day at his peak.

He never so much as raised his voice to anyone.

You have my sympathy.

here is a little prayer that some folks unlucky to suffer addiction sometimes use to help themselves get through the day.
You may or may not like it but here it is anyway

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

ziedth

Ya it's the AA prayer right?

Thanks! I think it's better we leave it at that, I hope everything is alright for ya too.

It's a horrible thing to live with and much like the suicide debate that came up here a few months ago that views can strike a nerve.

19.5V

ziedth wrote: »

Ya it's the AA prayer right?

Thanks! I think it's better we leave it at that, I hope everything is alright for ya too.

It's a horrible thing to live with and much like the suicide debate that came up here a few months ago that views can strike a nerve.

Ok ...& thanks

giles lynchwood

What about the root cause of drink related incident's,PUBLICIAN'S ! who serve customers until they cannot walk or talk and then release them onto public street's where garda,medical staff have to clean up their antl social business practice that finances Bentley's,Ferrari's,Bmw's and their mansion's where they are safely tucked up in bed(by their phillippineo underpaid maid)when all the late night crap kick's off.LYNCHWOOD

looksee

giles lynchwood wrote: »

What about the root cause of drink related incident's,PUBLICIAN'S ! who serve customers until they cannot walk or talk and then release them onto public street's where garda,medical staff have to clean up their antl social business practice that finances Bentley's,Ferrari's,Bmw's and their mansion's where they are safely tucked up in bed(by their phillippineo underpaid maid)when all the late night crap kick's off.LYNCHWOOD

There's some sweeping statements! The vast majority of publicans are just business people offering a service. They do not lock people in the bars and force-feed them drink.

I kind of lost you after that. The drunks stagger out onto the streets and start dealing drugs? Then drive their expensive cars back to.... Phillipino maids?!! mansions? Which bit of Waterford are we in? :eek:

sunnysoutheast

giles lynchwood wrote: »

What about the root cause of drink related incident's,PUBLICIAN'S ! who serve customers until they cannot walk or talk and then release them onto public street's where garda,medical staff have to clean up their antl social business practice that finances Bentley's,Ferrari's,Bmw's and their mansion's where they are safely tucked up in bed(by their phillippineo underpaid maid)when all the late night crap kick's off.LYNCHWOOD

Publicans are under a legal obligation not to serve customers who are intoxicated. The real issues (with alcohol anyway) are a) supermarkets/off-licences selling drink at cost price or even as a loss leader and b) happy-hour/BOGOF/etc. drinks promotions. I'd be surprised if the vast majority of the antisocial issues we see aren't caused by preloading before people even go out.

On the original question about A&E the hospital we used to visit (thankfully rarely) in the UK had a separate A&E for children, this was occasionally used for overspill from the normal A&E but only for people who were clearly sober. The staff used to gear up for the 3 o'clock rush when the clubs kicked out.

SSE

JohnC.

sunnysoutheast wrote: »

Publicans are under a legal obligation not to serve customers who are intoxicated

This is the line which keeps getting trotted out, but anyone can see it doesn't happen. People do fall out of pubs. People do drink so much they can't even remember what happened that night. Some even seem to think this is a sign of a really good night out. And you can hardly blame pre-loading. That just means they are intoxicated earlier in the pub and they should be refused service earlier than if they weren't pre-loaded.

Cabaal

sunnysoutheast wrote: »

Publicans are under a legal obligation not to serve customers who are intoxicated.

I've never once seen it happen in the likes of Waterford, I've only ever seen it happen in the local pubs where I live

Kahless wrote: »

This is the line which keeps getting trotted out, but anyone can see it doesn't happen

Agreed, you have people that can barely stand, talk or get money out of their pockets and they'll still be served

. People do fall out of pubs. People do drink so much they can't even remember what happened that night. Some even seem to think this is a sign of a really good night out.

Its scary the amount of people that view this outcome as a "good night out", heard it many a time over the years in college in work and frankly its extremely worrying

And you can hardly blame pre-loading. That just means they are intoxicated earlier in the pub and they should be refused service earlier than if they weren't pre-loaded.

Agreed...of course this would be great IF the pubs refused to serve...which they don't

sunnysoutheast

Kahless wrote: »

This is the line which keeps getting trotted out, but anyone can see it doesn't happen. People do fall out of pubs. People do drink so much they can't even remember what happened that night. Some even seem to think this is a sign of a really good night out. And you can hardly blame pre-loading. That just means they are intoxicated earlier in the pub and they should be refused service earlier than if they weren't pre-loaded.

I couldn't agree with you more, 'tis a custom more honoured in the breach, but at least there is a theoretical control of sorts. As ever in Ireland we don't need more laws but more enforcement. I've seen somebody refused service in town once only, and he was absolutely wasted. In other places I've seen people in pretty much the same condition served with double spirit measures.

SSE