Everybody draw Mohammad Day.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/20/AR2010052002023.html


And the facebook page.. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Everybody-Draw-Mohammed-Day/121369914543425

ISLAMABAD, PAKISTAN -- An Internet clampdown in Pakistan widened Thursday as the government blocked access to the YouTube Web site, citing its "growing sacrilegious content."

The move came one day after the civilian government ordered Internet service providers to restrict access to the Facebook social networking site, which drew fire in Pakistan over a page encouraging people to post caricatures Thursday of the Prophet Muhammad. That order followed an injunction by a Pakistani court, which agreed Wednesday with a petition by an Islamic lawyers' group that the page violated Islamic laws banning the prophet's image.

Classic.. Facebook group having such a massive impact Like 9,000 pics already.

Hande hoche!

That's quite impressive.

J2D2

shhhhh they'll block access to boards.ie there next! :rolleyes:

Biggins

I believe a similar page was already taken down.
If they close that one, they are going to annoy 90,000+ people again!
...and at the moment Facebook is not too popular LOL

People are dumping it like dead flies around Jackie Rea's breath!

Edit: I see that had to re-open it: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/292257

J2D2

J2D2 wrote: »

shhhhh they'll block access to boards.ie there next! :rolleyes:

Prob better so they can't suicide bomb the boards.ie servers.

"If Facebook and other such tools continue to be used for blasphemy by the Western nations, then we will target their embassies," said Faisal Javed, 21.

Nutters.

Hazys

Look i drew Mohammed...he's wearing sun glasses & a hat because hes a cool dude...

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:cool:

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Pakistan will have to ban boards.ie now...

Wolfe Tone

Personally I think this is disgusting. As far as I can see this draw mohammad thing is simply to insult and offend those who are Muslim. Remember this is not just offending extremists, its offensive to your average Moslem too. Standing up for free speech? What a joke.

Biggins

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Personally I think this is disgusting. As far as I can see this draw mohammad thing is simply to insult and offend those who are Muslim. Remember this is not just offending extremists, its offensive to your average Moslem too. Standing up for free speech? What a joke.

...and your free to say that as part of free speech on the net too!

Wolfe Tone

Biggins wrote: »

...and your free to say that as part of free speech on the net too!

Hmmm I was pretty sure there is no free speech on boards.

MUSSOLINI

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Personally I think this is disgusting. As far as I can see this draw mohammad thing is simply to insult and offend those who are Muslim. Remember this is not just offending extremists, its offensive to your average Moslem too. Standing up for free speech? What a joke.

If anyone anywhere is offended by a facebook group drawing pictures, I want to hear their logic.

Hazys

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Personally I think this is disgusting. As far as I can see this draw mohammad thing is simply to insult and offend those who are Muslim. Remember this is not just offending extremists, its offensive to your average Moslem too. Standing up for free speech? What a joke.

Moslem?

Offensive hardly, these lads need to get out more, but i think its more mocking the fact that these lads will go mental and act so violently over something so small and to try and put fear into people.

fontanalis

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Personally I think this is disgusting. As far as I can see this draw mohammad thing is simply to insult and offend those who are Muslim. Remember this is not just offending extremists, its offensive to your average Moslem too. Standing up for free speech? What a joke.

No it's not good enough, the danish cartoon controversy was baked by a bunch of loons who dragged up old photos to stoke up anti western sentiment while having no problem living in a western country. How petty must your beliefs be if god who created every galaxy, black hole, super nova and ever life form gets upset over a cartoon.
I'm not in favour of mocking peoples beliefs for the sake of it but no ones imaginary friend takes precedent over freedom of speech.

o1s1n

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Personally I think this is disgusting. As far as I can see this draw mohammad thing is simply to insult and offend those who are Muslim. Remember this is not just offending extremists, its offensive to your average Moslem too. Standing up for free speech? What a joke.

Why should the whole world be governed by a rule which only applies to Muslims?

Biggins

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Hmmm I was pretty sure there is no free speech on boards.

Under certain circumstances your right - but I said "on the net".

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/37253579#37253579

MSNBC interviewing the creator over Skype.

Wolfe Tone

Well look at it this way: A huge group of people find this: upsetting, hurtful and disrespectful.

Now these people are deliberatly setting out to disrespect and upset these people. Just because its a drawing doesnt make it ok. If someone deliberately sets out to upset, hurt and disrespect someone that makes them a right dick In my opinion.

Remember that we also, sad, but true: hurt the feelings of the moderate muslims aswell.

Now thats hardly fair is it?

Diabhal Beag

So we are drawing a picture just to piss off overly sensitive religious fanatics? Destined for failure. (I know not all believers in Mohammed are terrorists BTW)

fontanalis

there's a good clip of bill Maher on youtube, look his name up with non negotiable.

RATM

Petrol on a smoldering fire comes to mind

fontanalis

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Well look at it this way: A huge group of people find this: upsetting, hurtful and disrespectful.

Now these people are deliberatly setting out to disrespect and upset these people. Just because its a drawing doesnt make it ok. If someone deliberately sets out to upset, hurt and disrespect someone that makes them a right dick In my opinion.


Now thats hardly fair is it?

I could flip throught the Koran and find bits about non believers disrespectful, but I'm not going to throw a wobbler over it.

Biggins

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Well look at it this way: Now these people are deliberatly setting out to disrespect and upset these people. Just because its a drawing doesnt make it ok. If someone deliberately sets out to upset, hurt and disrespect someone that makes them a right dick In my opinion.
Now thats hardly fair is it?

A group of lads (and probably lassies) years ago drew something up too.
They knew when doing it, it would upset a lot of people (it did BIG time) but they still did anyway - and you know what, I'm glad they did!

I think what they drew up was called the 1916 proclamation - I could be wrong.

Thanks heavens speech/opinions is still hard to stifle in all its forms.

GLaDOS

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Now these people are deliberatly setting out to disrespect and upset these people.

No they're not, it's an unfortunate by product that they're so pissy about it.

o1s1n

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Well look at it this way: A huge group of people find this: upsetting, hurtful and disrespectful.

Now these people are deliberatly setting out to disrespect and upset these people. Just because its a drawing doesnt make it ok. If someone deliberately sets out to upset, hurt and disrespect someone that makes them a right dick In my opinion.


Now thats hardly fair is it?

People get upset over a lot of different things. Should we cease doing anything that upsets people for fear of death?

Snowie

Deleted User wrote: »

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/20/AR2010052002023.html


And the facebook page.. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Everybody-Draw-Mohammed-Day/121369914543425





Classic.. Facebook group having such a massive impact Like 9,000 pics already.

dude serously your not supposed to say his name your supposed to say "BEEP"

Wolfe Tone

Biggins wrote: »

A group of lads (and probably lassies) years ago drew something up too.
They knew when doing it, it would upset a lot of people (it did BIG time) but they still did anyway - and you know what, I'm glad they did!

I think what they drew up was called the 1916 proclamation - I could be wrong.

Thanks heavens speech/opinions is still hard to stifle in all its forms.

Well I reckon that Muslims would feel this is on a par with flag burning. Now if there was a "burn the tricolor day because some Irish are IRA terrorists" how would you feel?

El Weirdo

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Well look at it this way: A huge group of people find this: upsetting, hurtful and disrespectful.

Now these people are deliberatly setting out to disrespect and upset these people. Just because its a drawing doesnt make it ok. If someone deliberately sets out to upset, hurt and disrespect someone that makes them a right dick In my opinion.


Now thats hardly fair is it?

Then they shouldn't look at it then. Simple.

If you know you're going to be offended then it's probably a good idea to stay away from the page.

Hazys

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Well look at it this way: A huge group of people find this: upsetting, hurtful and disrespectful.

Now these people are deliberatly setting out to disrespect and upset these people. Just because its a drawing doesnt make it ok. If someone deliberately sets out to upset, hurt and disrespect someone that makes them a right dick In my opinion.


Now thats hardly fair is it?

I have some bit of respect for the people who were offended by the Jyllands-Posten cartoon and wrote a strongly worded letter to the newspaper.

I have no respect for the people who were offended by the Jyllands-Posten cartoon and then went onto plot to murder of the man.

I have no respect for the people who were offended by the Jyllands-Posten cartoon and stormed various European embassys assaulting staff and trying to burn down buildings.

It will be a sad day when the world will have to tiptoe around these loonies.

Biggins

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Well I reckon that Muslims would feel this is on a par with flag burning. Now if there was a "burn the tricolor day because some Irish are IRA terrorists" how would you feel?

Sadden that some Irish scum is causing my nations emblem to be tainted by their disgusting actions.
O'... and bloody anger directed towards the Irish murders.

GLaDOS

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Well I reckon that Muslims would feel this is on a par with flag burning. Now if there was a "burn the tricolor day because some Irish are IRA terrorists" how would you feel?

I'd be pissed off and offended.


What I wouldn't do is riot and threaten to kill anyone associated with it. That's the difference.

D-Generate

Why are these people protesting in Pakistan? They should be at work darnit! Seriously, something has to be wrong with you to drop your work and go out protesting over something so insignificant.

Abrasax

One thread saying Muslims shouldn't build a mosque because it's offensive to New Yorkers and another celebrating the drawing of pictures which cause offence to Muslims.

evercloserunion

Well, I guess free speech means the right to act like an insulting, attention-seeking tool. That doesn't change the fact that the people who are falling over themselves to offend religious people are insulting, attention-seeking tools.

Biggins

evercloserunion wrote: »

Well, I guess free speech means the right to act like an insulting, attention-seeking tool. That doesn't change the fact that the people who are falling over themselves to offend religious people are insulting, attention-seeking tools.

Its confusing.

There is some dopes on Facebook that are tools for just insulting!
Some more tools in Pakistani want to plant some same dopes.
...And those dopes are using tools to make themselves tools!

...I need a holiday.
Feck that, I'm not heading to Pakistan with my art tools though!

evercloserunion

Biggins wrote: »

Its confusing.

The some dopes on Facebook are tools for insulting!
Some tools in Pakistani want to plant some dopes.
...And those dopes are using tools to make themselves tools!

...I need a holiday.
Feck that, I'm not heading to Pakistan with my art tools though!

Wasn't confusing until you started talking nonsense...

Wolfe Tone

Right I'm probably gona bow out now.... One final thought though: Just because you are allowed to do something or can do something, doesn't mean you should.

Biggins

evercloserunion wrote: »

Wasn't confusing until you started talking nonsense...

Welcome to After Hours.
You should be here on Friday nights sometimes.
THEN it REALLY gets interesting! LOL

TPD

evercloserunion wrote: »

Well, I guess free speech means the right to act like an insulting, attention-seeking tool. That doesn't change the fact that the people who are falling over themselves to offend religious people are insulting, attention-seeking tools.

I think it's more standing up for your rights, rather than trying to be an insulting attention seeking tool. If nobody defends or practices their rights, they'll soon be taken away. Anyone happy with that scenario, is a tool in my book.

SV

this isn't on in my opinion.

Obviously, if you know my thoughts on Islam them you'll know I really don't care who draws Muhammed.

I also don't think people should be stopped from doing so..simply out of worry of offending.

But to set out on a path to offend? For no other reason but to offend? Seriously, would 99% of these images have ever been drawn if this 'event' had not been organised?
Terrible stupid carry on to be honest, there's free speech and all but this is just abusing it.

CrazyRabbit

I have the right to draw a picture of Muhammad that would be insulting to Muslims.

I could walk around with a swastika tattooed on my head, wear an upside down cross or protest against the war in Iraq during a soldiers funeral.

However, I choose not to because I'm not an insensitive prick.

Just because we have the right to do something, doesn't mean we should.

And besides, this Facebook campaign is nothing more than ignorant hatred of an entire religion and those who practice it. I don't see them protesting about other countries/groups/religions that are potentially viewed as against free speech.

ashyle

Was gonna join in with the Draw Mohammad thing, because I do believe in freedom of expression etc. and that episode of South Park was quite a clever satire.
But looking at the event on facebook, there were so many offensive things written on the 'event wall', by the people taking part. Made me feel uneasy, some very hypocritical things on it. They didn't 'get' the point in the same way as I see it.
To paraphrase John Rawls - we must prespect the fact that every individual enjoys an equal right to liberty/freedom of speech.

ashyle

ashyle wrote: »

To paraphrase John Rawls - we must prespect the fact that every individual enjoys an equal right to liberty/freedom of speech.

So what's your thoughts on youtube and the likes being banned by their governments?

bnt

Well, there are plenty of contributions in a thread on the Atheism & Agnosticism forum: http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055908791 . I did one, but it's not really a picture... or is it?

ashyle

Deleted User wrote: »

So what's your thoughts on youtube and the likes being banned by their governments?

Well, like most of us rational folk, I don't agree with that either. The gov shouldn't go around banning things because that limits other people's freedom. I don't agree with censorship, we should all be allowed the chance to make up our own minds regarding what's offensive. It's a personal decision.

sponsoredwalk

Deleted User wrote: »

If anyone anywhere is offended by a facebook group drawing pictures, I want to hear their logic.

The Qur'an does not explicitly forbid images of Muhammad, but there are a few hadith (supplemental traditions) which have explicitly prohibited Muslims from creating the visual depictions of figures under any circumstances. Most contemporary Sunni Muslims believe that visual depictions of the prophets generally should be prohibited, and they are particularly averse to visual representations of Muhammad.[3] The key concern is that the use of images can encourage idolatry, where the image becomes more important than what it represents. In Islamic art, some visual depictions only show Muhammad with his face veiled, or symbolically represent him as a flame; other images, notably from Persia of the Ilkhanate, and those made under the Ottomans, show him fully.[1]
Other Muslims have taken a more relaxed view. Most Shi'a scholars accept respectful depictions and use illustrations of Muhammad in books and architectural decoration, as have Sunnis at various points in the past.[4][5]



However, many Muslims who take a stricter view of the supplemental traditions, will sometimes challenge any depiction of Muhammad, including those created and published by non-Muslims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depictions_of_Muhammad

Seems noble within the confines of the madness of religion, noble enough to kill for :rolleyes:

ashyle

@sponsoredwalk - yeah totally, it makes sense if you really really like something and somebody draws a picture slagging it off, you would get annoyed. But to kill for it, thats's a wee bit extreme.

eg. If someone drew a picture making fun of Rose from the Golden Girls I would be super pissed. But I wouldn't kill anyone for it. I hope.

Hazys

I think the most worrying thing here is that South Park insults everybody and every religion, some poeple get offend (Iaasc Hayes left the show) some people let it go.

But as soon as the Muslim religion gets insulted on South Park, death threats are given to the creators and Comedy Central blocks out the picture of Mohammed in a bear suit. Its disgraceful.


If the people dont stand up for freedom of speech who will? Company's and Governments are just going to tiptoe around the issue. This is why Everybody Draw Mohammed Day was started, unforunately racists are going to pigback this but what can you do. We should give into people who threaten people with violence, if you are offended, dont throw your toys out of the pram...

strobe

SV wrote: »

Seriously, would 99% of these images have ever been drawn if this 'event' had not been organised?

...would this 'event' have been organised if Muslim extremists didn't try to use violence to force their beliefs onto others? Swings and roundabouts buddy.

Turtyturd

Edit: wrong thread.

sponsoredwalk

ashyle wrote: »

If someone drew a picture making fun of Rose from the Golden Girls I would be super pissed. But I wouldn't kill anyone for it. I hope.

*resists the urge to put the mohammed bomb hat onto Rose*

wes

Meh, feel it always better to ignore people who hurl insults, and if they are especially persistent, just hurl some back.

InTheTrees

strobe wrote: »

...would this 'event' have been organised if Muslim extremists didn't try to use violence to force their beliefs onto others? Swings and roundabouts buddy.

Exactly.

Its empowering. How many times have you felt completly powerless when these religious fanatics dictate their morality on us?

Now we have a way of responding.