Hanson incident

Trampas

Should John Paramor have told Peter Hanson that he doubled hit 12th since Hanson didn't call it?

Was the only reason he was told was because of his position and if he had been way down the field would it be a case of him been DQ?

In_tuition

Trampas wrote: »

Should John Paramor have told Peter Hanson that he doubled hit 12th since Hanson didn't call it?

Was the only reason he was told was because of his position and if he had been way down the field would it be a case of him been DQ?

Well firstly if he had of been further down the field we would have never known what happened.

Secondly I believe he knew what happened so he has lost respect anyway in that capacity. I know he has said he wasn't aware but I'm finding that very hard to believe.

I'll be corrected if I am wrong but my take on the ruling is that if he does not call it on himself and completes his round and signs his card and someone later raises the issue, perhaps a spectator or something then the tv cameras would be looked at, then he would be DQ.

If the above happened, like yesterday, allebit it was tv cameras that provided the info and not a spectator, then he would be informed on the 18th green prior to signing off his card and they would then take a look at the replay and if conclusive he would incur a penalty stroke.

I think it was the wrong decision to inform the player what happened whilst still playing his round. Totally unfair to everyone including the runner up who I think actually thought he had it in the bag coming off the 18th in regulation.

Trampas

In_tuition wrote: »

Secondly I believe he knew what happened so he has lost respect anyway in that capacity. I know he has said he wasn't aware but I'm finding that very hard to believe.

I agree with you there. We all have done double hits and we have know about it. Smells of got caught cheating. My own opinion is that he shouldn't be told

Webbs

Trampas wrote: »

I agree with you there. We all have done double hits and we have know about it. Smells of got caught cheating. My own opinion is that he shouldn't be told

but have you done a double hit and not known about it?

What I'm trying to say is that we may have all done something similar but we dont have the benefit of super slomo cameras. when you looked at in real time you would never have known and even the sound of contact sounded fine.

Jasonw

I think he should be given the benefit of the doubt. Look and listen to it in realtime. there's no distinctive 'double-click' you'ld normaly associate with a double hit as the second hit is almost underneath the club.

Genuinely don't think he knew. In the interests of fairness particularly to the guy in second place the scoreboard should reflect the realtime position in so far as it could be established. That way everyone knows where they stand.

Think the tour and JP got it spot on.

heavyballs

Jasonw wrote: »

I think he should be given the benefit of the doubt.

Genuinely don't think he knew. .

what do you base that on,if you look at the shot in real time you can see the way it jumped off to the left just after contact
i genuinely think he did know ,i base this on the fact that i have played similar shots and even if i was in doubt i would call it on myself,he defo would have have felt that dh looking at the camera evidence

He is a cheater

the fact is the club hit the ball twice in one shot,i find it very hard to beleive you can do that without knowing
did you notice how much the commentary team we're all going out of their way to say he wouldn't have felt it

Russman

I didn't see the incident live but I've just watched it on youtube and IMO there's absolutely NO WAY you wouldn't feel the double hit there, I'm sorry but it's pretty damning evidence.
Not good......

Trampas

40 seconds in.

I'd find it hard to say he didn't know that he hit it twice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMSb3RvGako

Gophur

A blatant push of the ball.

Another pupil of the "only illegal if caught" school, eh?

He should have been DQ.

Daithio9

Whatever it was, it most certainly wasn't a push, he made a fair strike at the ball.

heavyballs

Daithio9 wrote: »

Whatever it was, it most certainly wasn't a push, he made a fair strike at the ball.

no it wasn't a push,to him an obvious double hit,even live i thought it was weird,the way it jerked left wasn't normal,he dofo would have felt it in the hands,esp as he was bellying it with i presume more of a putting stroke

Russman

Anyone doubting he would have felt the double hit should try it themselves - you definitely know you've hit the ball twice, no question.
The more I look at the clip the worse it gets - at best (and this is really stretching it), there would definitely be a doubt in your head, and you'd call the penalty on yourself.

Golf gets dragged into the 21st century and the soccer player mentality I guess.
What sickens me is the way the commentators fall over themselves to close ranks and defend it.

Mister Sifter

That's the first time i've seen it. I find it very hard to believe he didn't know what happened there.

heavyballs

i know i already posted something similar but isn't it amazing how we're all agreed that he would have felt it yet the commentators overdid it trying to convince the viewers otherwise(they had me even doubting it at first)

you could almost hear the programme director telling them what to say

GreeBo

Its a weird one alright, it does look more like a push to me than a double hit.
I wasnt clearly able to see a gap between the ball after the first contact...he just seemed to push the ball through the fringe...

PhilipMarlowe

I'm on the fence on that one a bit too... looks like he was trying to belly it and although he hit it (too) high up over the equator, there didn't seem to be a double hit like you'd normally associate with getting a chip wrong. In super-slow-mo it's obvious what happened but it's hard to know what that would feel like?
After the ball pops back up it is successfully bellied so it might not have been detectable but then again I'd expect a pro at that level to know when his contact is as poor as that, that there was something dodgy?

GreeBo

Licksy wrote: »

I'm on the fence on that one a bit too... looks like he was trying to belly it and although he hit it (too) high up over the equator, there didn't seem to be a double hit like you'd normally associate with getting a chip wrong. In super-slow-mo it's obvious what happened but it's hard to know what that would feel like?
After the ball pops back up it is successfully bellied so it might not have been detectable but then again I'd expect a pro at that level to know when his contact is as poor as that, that there was something dodgy?

I reckon it could have felt like he duffed it and then bladed it...topping it at that speed could easily feel like hitting it fat...and then blading it on the way through, which wouldnt be a double hit..or would it?

It is in a bunker I guess...

Speak Now

I'd give him the benefit of the doubt, super slow motion makes it look obvious but in real time the space between the double hit would have been a fraction of a second. Even the sky mic didn't pick up a double click.