Aftershock - RTE Economic Treason or what

Oak1000

What is the story with RTE and a whole week of ramming down our throat how screwed we all are. Unless you have been on Mars for two years you know how screwed the country is and who is responsible.
RTE seem to be on a crusade to make sure the recession never ends. We need confidence to get people spending so we can crawl out of this mire. Telling us on a nightly basis via Aftershock / Frontline / Prime Time how buggered we are is not what the country needs. Unbelievably we fund these incompetent Muppets and no wonder their advertisng revenue is down. They are killing retail which is their biggest advertiser. Maybe if they didn't have 100% job security and gravy all day funded by us, they would care and take a responsible approach to what they broadcast.

Slydice

Yes of course!

Why didn't we think of that!

We need to start telling everyone how great we are and how wonderful and rosy things are.

Then people will be happy and we can all start building houses and buying land!

Better get on the property ladder now before you "loose out". Sure you'd be mad not to.

danbohan

Oak1000 wrote: »

What is the story with RTE and a whole week of ramming down our throat how screwed we all are. Unless you have been on Mars for two years you know how screwed the country is and who is responsible.
RTE seem to be on a crusade to make sure the recession never ends. We need confidence to get people spending so we can crawl out of this mire. Telling us on a nightly basis via Aftershock / Frontline / Prime Time how buggered we are is not what the country needs. Unbelievably we fund these incompetent Muppets and no wonder their advertisng revenue is down. They are killing retail which is their biggest advertiser. Maybe if they didn't have 100% job security and gravy all day funded by us, they would care and take a responsible approach to what they broadcast.

yes , i think the whole recession thing is a scam made up by them in rte , what we need is for people who we can believe in , people like bankers ,politicians, clergy, to come out and tell us the recession is over,finished ,kaput
then we can start spending like it was 2006 all over again .now where did i put my credit card /

oflahero

Yes, I prefer a North Korean-style media telling us every damn week that 'the economy has turned a corner' and 'the worst is over', according to some knobhead stockbroker or bone-dull estate agency. Oh wait, we have that already!

gurramok

You say 'We need confidence to get people spending', where have you been?

We have one of the highest personal debt rates in the world and there is 13.5% unemployment. God help the graduates graduating this summer.

Despite Rte jumping on the bandwagon, at least they are informing the head in the sand portion of the population how bad the situation really is and starting a debate on how to get out of this mess which is a good thing.

Liam Byrne

Slydice wrote: »

We need to start telling everyone how great we are and how wonderful and rosy things are.

Then people will be happy and we can all start building houses and buying land!

Better get on the property ladder now before you "loose out". Sure you'd be mad not to.

Dat you Be-be-bertie ?

As for the OP's question.....at least RTE aren't lying to us that we've "turned the corner".....that phase is becoming as jokish as Bush's "the war is over" speech.

BeardyFunzo

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Dat you Be-be-bertie ?

As for the OP's question.....at least RTE aren't lying to us that we've "turned the corner".....that phase is becoming as jokish as Bush's "the war is over" speech.

You turn enough corners and you'll end up where you've started! which seems to be what's going on!

Damn you Eamonn Gilmore... now the word 'treason' has lost all meaning!

Scarab80

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Dat you Be-be-bertie ?

As for the OP's question.....at least RTE aren't lying to us that we've "turned the corner".....that phase is becoming as jokish as Bush's "the war is over" speech.

But we have...

http://www.goodbody.ie/news/morn.html#1

Inquitus

Scarab80 wrote: »

But we have...

http://www.goodbody.ie/news/morn.html#1

Recession is a definition, and being out of recession doesnt mean we are no longer fooked, it simply means the economy is no longer contracting, its still a feckload smaller then it was mind, and growing at a snails pace.

Scarab80

Inquitus wrote: »

Recession is a definition, and being out of recession doesnt mean we are no longer fooked, it simply means the economy is no longer contracting, its still a feckload smaller then it was mind, and growing at a snails pace.

And turning a corner doesn't mean everything is rosy, it means a change in performance. We have moved from a period of accelerating contraction to a period of reduced contraction. The first step in any recovery.

Inquitus

Scarab80 wrote: »

And turning a corner doesn't mean everything is rosy, it means a change in performance. We have moved from a period of accelerating contraction to a period of reduced contraction. The first step in any recovery.

Actually we are growing again, not contracting. The definition of a recession is 2 or more consecutive quarters of negative growth, it (the economy) grew slightly in Q1, but given it shrunk hugely and only just managed to show the barest growth, tho a good thing, it doesnt change the realities much.

Scarab80

Inquitus wrote: »

Actually we are growing again, not contracting. The definition of a recession is 2 or more consecutive quarters of negative growth, it (the economy) grew slightly in Q1, but given it shrunk hugely and only just managed to show the barest growth, tho a good thing, it doesnt change the realities much.

Yeah GDP is growing again, although the estimate for the year is for no growth/no decline. This is export led.

All other economic indicators seem to point towards a reduction in contraction.

See this thread for a more detailed review.

SeaFields

Liam Byrne wrote: »

.....at least RTE aren't lying to us that we've "turned the corner".....

You turn enough corners and you end up going round in circles :P

oceanclub

Oak1000 wrote: »

We need confidence to get people spending so we can crawl out of this mire.

You're quite right. Fianna Fail need to keep lying to us in order to get us to buy property. Like when the great Donie Cassidy assured young people over two years that there was never a better time to buy property. Seriously, you should join the party; they probably need canvassers to pound the pavements and tell people that everything is great.

P.

Colpriz

gurramok wrote: »

Despite Rte jumping on the bandwagon, at least they are informing the head in the sand portion of the population how bad the situation really is and starting a debate on how to get out of this mess which is a good thing.

Absolutimo..too much secrecy behind closed doors, backhanding and certain pockets getting filled. Time for get people interested & debating. This country needs new blood, new ideas and some visionaries for a change. Cowen's drool about 'yes mistakes were made, things could have been done better..blah blah' just goes to show this government are not visionaries and only ever & have ever thought about 'the now'..thats why we are in this sorry state. Yes we are making a crawlback but at what cost? Fiar play to rte for that much at least

Nijmegen

The Dell episode was a very good insight into life on the dole for workers who, really, don't deserve to be there.

Good to dispell any keyboard warrior notion that all people on the dole are scroungers...

One fellow, who's up before the crack of fawn on his small farm before heading out to do FAS courses to try and get a job. Some scrounger, eh?

The Polish lady who has paid in her taxes here... Deserves to be sent 'home'? No more than you or I should be kicked out if we're on the dole, having paid into the system.

Etc. Etc.

donkey balls

Nijmegen wrote: »

The Dell episode was a very good insight into life on the dole for workers who, really, don't deserve to be there.

Good to dispell any keyboard warrior notion that all people on the dole are scroungers...

One fellow, who's up before the crack of fawn on his small farm before heading out to do FAS courses to try and get a job. Some scrounger, eh?

The Polish lady who has paid in her taxes here... Deserves to be sent 'home'? No more than you or I should be kicked out if we're on the dole, having paid into the system.

Etc. Etc.

yeah my heart went out for that poor aul lad at least he was getting of his arse and enjoyed meeting new people while doing the FAS course i know of people who during the boom were sitting on there arse getting the dole.

gurramok

donkey balls wrote: »

yeah my heart went out for that poor aul lad at least he was getting of his arse and enjoyed meeting new people while doing the FAS course i know of people who during the boom were sitting on there arse getting the dole.

He was doing a welding course as far as I remember. Thats construction related and not many jobs there.

Why not put him on a computer related course instead(insert course name where the jobs are) where the demand is??

Head The Wall

gurramok wrote: »

He was doing a welding course as far as I remember. Thats construction related and not many jobs there.

Why not put him on a computer related course instead(insert course name where the jobs are) where the demand is??

There's feck all welding done in construction, most steel structures are bolted together. Welding is more of a manufacturing geared skill.

Some people don't have an aptitude for computing the same way I don't have one for languages. No point teaching an auld fella something he will probably never be good at and he doesn't want to do.

danbohan

donkey balls wrote: »

yeah my heart went out for that poor aul lad at least he was getting of his arse and enjoyed meeting new people while doing the FAS course i know of people who during the boom were sitting on there arse getting the dole.

the '' poor auld lad '' probably has a lot more money in the bank and or hen house than most , its the young mortgaged to the neck that are real pity

Tim Robbins

My problem with is the analysis is so poor. It's full of slick editiing and media whores saying the obvious.

Vincent Browne's show provides a deeper analysis and it's done for a 1 / 50th of the price.

Tipp Man

Tim Robbins wrote: »

My problem with is the analysis is so poor. It's full of slick editiing and media whores saying the obvious.

Vincent Browne's show provides a deeper analysis and it's done for a 1 / 50th of the price.

Vincent Browne provides a safe haven for Commie's and Lefties to talk absolute garbage about taxing the rich, give to the "poor", industry commerce is bad, social welfare good. And the worst thing is he lets it go completly unchallenged on it and more often than not joins in. There are numbers regularly trotted out on that programme which are completly and utterly wrong, but because everyone is on the same "side" on the programme they are not challenged or questioned.

Its garbage TV and I'm glad the licence I'm paying is in no way going towards it

Boxoffrogs

I'm gonna bust open the piggy bank now because RTE were telling porkies.

Seriously though, I'm glad to see RTE, for a change, not peddling the same FF line that things are close to Hunky Dorey and actually telling it like it is.

sinnerboy

They (RTE) should bring back those who through the "boom" kept saying things like " the fundamentals of the economy are sound" and " there is fantastic value in property" .

If only these people would return to our screens and airwaves everything would be "booming" again .

Sleepy

Look at house prices on daft.ie and tell me that the population as a whole understands reality of our economic situation.

danbohan

Sleepy wrote: »

Look at house prices on daft.ie and tell me that the population as a whole understands reality of our economic situation.

chr....t man , if people were still getting the prices been asked on daft we still be in property boom !, least outside the pale

Sleepy

From what I can see on Daft it's becoming clearer and clearer to me that I'll most likely spend the rest of my life renting.

kuntboy

There was a good piece on the other day about changing the Dail system to make it less regional and more national. To stop all this business of TDs acting like councillers to get elected.

Oak1000

My God - If you guys are a sample of the mindset out there we may as well pull the plug now and let the ship go down. God the Irish love to wallow in Misery. Yes we are screwed but we will never move forward unless we stop feeling sorry for ourselves and engaging in a nightly wake in front of the TV. The "end of days" according to some muppet like "Pat Kenny"
We need to get the record amount of money that is on deposit back into circulation so we can create Jobs and wealth and get out of this pit of debt we are in. Sitting around self flagulating to Aftershock / Prime Time night after night is going to help who exactly ???
Does anyone think the Govt or the Bankers care what RTE show ? But unfortunately Joe Public does and the wallet stays shut as he huddles in fear at home for the IMF to come take his house - load of Balls.
Great opportunity hear for the media who talked up this economy to help to get it back on track by trying a positive spin for a change.

sinnerboy

You are about 3 years too late with this . Thats the stuff Cowen initially came out with in the early days of his "leadership" . It was b******x then and it is now .

SkepticOne

kuntboy wrote: »

There was a good piece on the other day about changing the Dail system to make it less regional and more national. To stop all this business of TDs acting like councillers to get elected.

A good piece I thought too. The introduction of a list system as well as a rule that politicians must resign their seat in order to take up ministerial positions.

I would also eliminate multi-seat constituencies altogether. First past the post for constituency TDs with proportionality provided by the list system itself. In addition reduce the overall number of TDs and get rid of the Seanad. If the TD became a purely legislative job you could reduce their expenses and allowances dramatically.

A more streamlined system with less chance to pass the buck is what is needed.

oceanclub

Oak1000 wrote: »

God the Irish love to wallow in Misery.

The history of the past decade suggests this is not that case; that the Irish indeed have an overinflated sense of both optimism and our importance/

P.

Mr.Micro

oceanclub wrote: »

The history of the past decade suggests this is not that case; that the Irish indeed have an overinflated sense of both optimism and our importance/

P.

Yes sir, here in Ireland its all or nothing, excess be it money, beer or misery.

DidierMc

Oak1000 wrote: »

What is the story with RTE and a whole week of ramming down our throat how screwed we all are. Unless you have been on Mars for two years you know how screwed the country is and who is responsible.
RTE seem to be on a crusade to make sure the recession never ends. We need confidence to get people spending so we can crawl out of this mire. Telling us on a nightly basis via Aftershock / Frontline / Prime Time how buggered we are is not what the country needs. Unbelievably we fund these incompetent Muppets and no wonder their advertisng revenue is down. They are killing retail which is their biggest advertiser. Maybe if they didn't have 100% job security and gravy all day funded by us, they would care and take a responsible approach to what they broadcast.

You believe in the Marc Coleman approach then? Talk up the economy and everything will be fine.

mathie

Oak1000 wrote: »

Does anyone think the Govt or the Bankers care what RTE show ? But unfortunately Joe Public does and the wallet stays shut as he huddles in fear at home for the IMF to come take his house - load of Balls.

But isn't consumer confidence up?
"The overall KBC Ireland/ESRI Consumer Sentiment Index rose in April to 65.6. This compares to a figure of 61.9 in March and at its all time low in July 2008 when the index was at 39.6."

http://www.esri.ie/irish_economy/consumer_sentiment/latest_consumer_sentiment/?

And it won't be the IMF taking your house if you can't pay your mortgage.
It'll be the bank.

oceanclub

It's the same people who 2 years ago were telling everyone else we were being pessimistic and went and bought houses, who are now telling us why didn't we warn them and asking for a "Nama Beag" (that is, they want me to pay their mortgage).

P.

Liam Byrne

oceanclub wrote: »

It's the same people who 2 years ago were telling everyone else we were being pessimistic.....

I thought Fianna Fáil were against NAMA Beag ?

oceanclub

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I thought Fianna Fáil were against NAMA Beag ?

I'm talking about individuals here. FF have been quiet enough on the concept, which means I guess there actually is a limitation to their stupidity.

P.

Agent J

Just finished watching it.

Man that was depressing and we really could have done with it 2 years ago but better late then never.

Anyone who ever tries to make a "Donnie Cassidy" style point about housing being an investment, property ladder, 100% mortgages etc should be locked in a room with this program on repeat until they have some sense restored.

People need to be aware of the reall affects which are going on at present. Quite frankly im surprised RTE managed to make this.

Mister men

Oak1000 wrote: »

What is the story with RTE and a whole week of ramming down our throat how screwed we all are. Unless you have been on Mars for two years you know how screwed the country is and who is responsible.
RTE seem to be on a crusade to make sure the recession never ends. We need confidence to get people spending so we can crawl out of this mire. Telling us on a nightly basis via Aftershock / Frontline / Prime Time how buggered we are is not what the country needs. Unbelievably we fund these incompetent Muppets and no wonder their advertisng revenue is down. They are killing retail which is their biggest advertiser. Maybe if they didn't have 100% job security and gravy all day funded by us, they would care and take a responsible approach to what they broadcast.

Are you for real. It's not reporting the state of the country that got us into this mess in the first place.

Tim Robbins

Tipp Man wrote: »

Vincent Browne provides a safe haven for Commie's and Lefties to talk absolute garbage about taxing the rich, give to the "poor", industry commerce is bad, social welfare good.

Wow! What an argument. I am surprised you didn't mention pinko's.