This is the kind of thing I want to do - dear god.

MilanPan!c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc3g7uu1Gdk

I wish I could convince one of you guys to help me sort out this sort of live set up.

I sometimes think that if you had 3 studio guys and a drummer and a singer you could make a world-class band.

Anyway, just wow! Look at this setup.

Very cool.

madtheory

Looks like a very cool setup. Why don't they dress up the flight cases though? They're ugly.

MilanPan!c

madtheory wrote: »

Looks like a very cool setup. Why don't they dress up the flight cases though? They're ugly.

Totally agree... I was discussing this with my singer...

Why do so many bands not dress the stage?

Talk about instant bonus points, for doing basically nothing.

I've seen it happen maybe twice in Dubs... saw it endlessly in the States and occasionally in the UK.

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On a related note, where are the people in Dublin that can do this kind of thing with me? I see ads and what not, other people LOOKING for the same thing I am, but no one ever seems to reply.

Maybe I should hit the recording colleges.

Hmm...

Anyone else know artists with crazy setups like this?

The other one that pops to mind is Fujiya & Miyagi and Lali Puna:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz3SsEu4H0A

studiorat

In fairness Milan, the interview sounds like a gear list, got bored very quickly. You'd have no trouble if you had the equipment...

I reckon I could make up some of the stuff, at least a system that could bang off loops and the like to cues. As it stands making a loop and using it 'on the fly' is a bit tricky unless you have a 'Looper pedal' or something. I'm racking my brain trying to think of a software version but can't.

I reckon most of the people with the skills to do that live for this are doing electroacoustic improvisation and live coding and all that weird stuff.

Personally I'd be interested in sticking a couple of extra loudspeakers around the venue while we were at it. :-)

MilanPan!c

studiorat wrote: »

In fairness Milan, the interview sounds like a gear list, got bored very quickly. You'd have no trouble if you had the equipment...

I reckon I could make up some of the stuff, at least a system that could bang off loops and the like to cues. As it stands making a loop and using it 'on the fly' is a bit tricky unless you have a 'Looper pedal' or something. I'm racking my brain trying to think of a software version but can't.

I reckon most of the people with the skills to do that live for this are doing electroacoustic improvisation and live coding and all that weird stuff.

Personally I'd be interested in sticking a couple of extra loudspeakers around the venue while we were at it. :-)

This may offer more context...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rea_AhxGstE

What I really want, is not the electronic thing, I want the ability to mix it all together with a live band...

And I want, really want, to make a BIG sound. Have all of the sounds I can make be included...

Prolly to much to aim for, but damn it'd be cool.


And yes, absolutely to the extra speakers!

I'd also like to be able to FX the entire mix as well, pre-house... control band dynamics artificially...

Ahhh dreams...

Neurojazz

Ableton.

Crazy stuff.... record it all live (don't know about multiple inputs and the needed hardware for low latency)

but you can adjust everything on the fly, sends and all.

Would be interesting to take the app live and mess with sections recorded in on the fly like that.

fitz

No issue with using pre-recorded samples if you're drummer is playing to a click live.
MainStage, which comes with logic, can do a lot, but Abelton is probably the best fit.

Obi-Jim

Milan, what exactly are you looking to do?

It doesn't sound like you want to do anything too complicated. (when it comes to lights and stuff, venues would be my concern with their shoddy equipment)

You could get multitrack playback from ableton or something and have a limited degree of control over things. You could play some softsynths too.
A looping system could be banged together somehow. Am I being too simplistic here?

Its a cool setup, doing that stuff live. Interesting stuff certainly, can make for a good show and great sound. It's amazing how a few simple layers of synths can really make a show sound huge.

MilanPan!c

well, if you listen to some of my stuff:

http://www.myspace.com/theriottapes
http://soundcloud.com/the-riot-tapes

you can see, more or less the ideas.

In the end, I want to basically have:

bassist/keyboards/extra drummer
guitarist/laptopist/keyboards/extra bass X2
Drummer/triggerer
Singer

And I want one of the guitarists (prolly me) to trigger scenes so that instead of a lot of hardware, a lot of software can be used (different synths for the four people).

I want it to be flexible though: Some songs would have a LOT of extra stuff, some would basically be live, and a synth would only be a piano.

AND

I want to be able to, like I said, control the mix, etc, as much as possible...

Which might involve a 5th member.

And, of course, I want to be able to record the whole damn mess and sell it, more or less on the spot.

So, not toooo much, but more than three amps, a few drums and some mics.

Basically, I want to make something special that people are willing to pay for and something flexible, but big.

Something I can write with and then take to a group.

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This is why I'm not playing live yet.... I don't wanna just make some garbage.

I'd rather not play live than crap up my ideas.

Neurojazz

MilanPan!c wrote: »

Something I can write with and then take to a group.

Dam, no money in that then! ;P

MilanPan!c

Neurojazz wrote: »

Dam, no money in that then! ;P

What do you mean?

I really just mean, and this is my current reality, I'm frontloading this thing, trying to get all the initial writing and record done before I drag a lot of people in...

for instance, I've talked to a few VERY interested drummers, but they all want (for totally reasonable reasons) to start jamming in a space...

I have NO interest in that at this point for a few reasons (money, limited time, compromise, etc.)

So, what I keep pitching is a collaboration, writing wise, which would involve either recording drums/writing electronic (well sampled) and becoming part of this writing/recording process... hard to find someone interested in that.

So, because of that I say write->take to others.

In a perfect world it would be write WITH.

Does that make sense?

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On a side note, the song I have called NIBW has an electronic bit at the end... I would LOVE to really expand that live... and then end with the rock again!

Neurojazz

Hehe, was just poking fun... sounds like good do-able concept.

MilanPan!c

Neurojazz wrote: »

Hehe, was just poking fun... sounds like good do-able concept.

Jerk!

romarr

we're doing something along the lines your talking about - albeit a touch simpler

2 guitarists + vox
bass man
laptop running ableton

as neuro above said ableton is a good way to go

I have all the drums on ableton (had a similar expereience to you, all the drummers we tried just didnt work...)

pre programmed synths , vocal samples, sampled guitars and loops all loaded up on ableton. I basically do a simple live set for each of the songs, mixing it altogether.

If i had any advice it would be to keep the set up simple to start as it can get tricky quickly

in the future i'd like to have all the instruments and vox running through the computer ... sample, effect, mess with those on the fly

It took a while to get going but its rewarding now and we're starting to make some good music

tasters below

movement

snowday

be interested to hear what yis think

MilanPan!c

romarr wrote: »

we're doing something along the lines your talking about - albeit a touch simpler

2 guitarists + vox
bass man
laptop running ableton

as neuro above said ableton is a good way to go

I have all the drums on ableton (had a similar expereience to you, all the drummers we tried just didnt work...)

pre programmed synths , vocal samples, sampled guitars and loops all loaded up on ableton. I basically do a simple live set for each of the songs, mixing it altogether.

If i had any advice it would be to keep the set up simple to start as it can get tricky quickly

in the future i'd like to have all the instruments and vox running through the computer ... sample, effect, mess with those on the fly

It took a while to get going but its rewarding now and we're starting to make some good music

tasters below

movement

snowday

be interested to hear what yis think

I'll check it out a bit later and let you know... Thanks for the advice!