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ATTENTION: Blair Horan and the CPSU Leadership...

  • 13-05-2010 08:31AM
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    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭


    A 2:1 majority rejecting the Croke Park sellout is pretty comprehensive.

    However it gives Blair Horan, who is an ICTU conformist at heart, enough wriggle room to try and bring us under the Yes umbrella as I'm sure SIPTU and IMPACT will accept.

    If you do try to railroad us into the deal and therefore totally ignore our deomcratic ballot I and many of my colleagues will resign from the CPSU fortwith...


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  • Posts: 22,785 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How was that a democratic ballot?
    The ballot paper had 3 pages of vote no propaganda on the ballot paper itself signed by Blair Horan.

    You wouldn't have seen as biased an operation in the old soviet union.


  • Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    How was that a democratic ballot?
    The ballot paper had 3 pages of vote no propaganda on the ballot paper itself signed by Blair Horan.

    You wouldn't have seen as biased an operation in the old soviet union.

    Each member had the option to accept or reject the sellout. Nuff said...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,895 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    A fair ballot paper is not ment to have any biased information on it.


    It be like the FF saying vote FF on the ballot papers. That kind of behaviour does get extra votes and so its not a fair ballot.

    But then again thats unions for you and doesnt matter if ye vote yes or no, you be getting a pay cut, except if the EU has its ways you be out of a job!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 806 ✭✭✭bonzos


    I think the CPSU members are right...look for a better deal,even a pay rise. The country is full of wealthy people who made a fortune and had better working conditions than us....P.S. if your trying to contact me i wont be at work until 9.30 and i wont be able to take and work related phone calls because its not in my contract:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,364 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    You wouldn't have seen as biased an operation in the old soviet union.

    old soviet union is exactly where the unions want us to end up


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  • Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    I wonder how many of you will howl from the rooftops when SIPTU defile their ballot papers with Zanu FF propaganda calling on members to support the sellout...:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,164 ✭✭✭hobochris


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    old soviet union is exactly where the unions want us to end up
    is that speculation or your opinion?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,164 ✭✭✭hobochris


    I wonder how many of you will howl from the rooftops when SIPTU defile their baoolt papers with Zanu FF propaganda calling on members to support the sellout...:D

    how is it a sell out? are options not pretty much agreed cuts or forced cuts.

    Agreed cuts would sure;y be more favourable of the two for PS workers as they would have some input.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,235 ✭✭✭The_Honeybadger


    I wonder how many of you will howl from the rooftops when SIPTU defile their baoolt papers with Zanu FF propaganda calling on members to support the sellout...:D
    Having said no, and lets assume for a minute that the croke park deal falls apart, where would you like to go from here? Do you think you can get a better deal somehow, and if ye can how will it be paid for?

    No redundancies and no further paycuts was a great deal I thought, I'm not in the PS so i suppose I don't fully understand the anger that is among the membership, but anger is not a strategy, I really fail to understand what you think can be acheived from a refusal of the deal on offer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,044 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    A 2:1 majority rejecting the Croke Park sellout is pretty comprehensive.

    However it gives Blair Horan, who is an ICTU conformist at heart, enough wriggle room to try and bring us under the Yes umbrella as I'm sure SIPTU and IMPACT will accept.

    If you do try to railroad us into the deal and therefore totally ignore our deomcratic ballot I and many of my colleagues will resign from the CPSU fortwith...
    Your union (as you have known all along) is a member of ICTU and if ICTU as a whole accepts the deal, your union will have to accept it too.

    It looks increasingly likely that deal or no deal, public sector pay will have to be cut further as Merkel has indicated the EU will want a greater say in domestic economic policy of member states requiring bailouts from German taxpayers! And rightly so Angela!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    If this deal is rejected then god help you and all the others in the CPSU and other unions. As we saw from what happened in Greece last week we as a country have no choice but to knuckle down and sort out our finances and cuts to Public Service costs is one of the areas this is going to happen.

    The Croke Park deal was a very good one that guaranteed job security for those lucky enough to have permanent positions which by itself should have meant the deal was a no brainer to pass.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,903 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    A fair ballot paper is not ment to have any biased information on it.


    It be like the FF saying vote FF on the ballot papers. That kind of behaviour does get extra votes and so its not a fair ballot.

    I dont agree here, its a private vote by members of an organisation, not a national democratic election...its 'leaders'(!) are entitled to put forward their reasons for supporting or oppossing it...its up to members to decide.

    Your union (as you have known all along) is a member of ICTU and if ICTU as a whole accepts the deal, your union will have to accept it too.

    no they don't....like other unions before, they can leave ICTU and go on their own

    A 2:1 majority rejecting the Croke Park sellout is pretty comprehensive

    67% of 74% is just less than half the members


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,025 ✭✭✭Tipp Man


    How was that a democratic ballot?
    The ballot paper had 3 pages of vote no propaganda on the ballot paper itself signed by Blair Horan.

    You wouldn't have seen as biased an operation in the old soviet union.

    Is this actually true??

    If so is it even legal??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭dean21


    murphaph wrote: »
    Your union (as you have known all along) is a member of ICTU and if ICTU as a whole accepts the deal, your union will have to accept it too.

    It looks increasingly likely that deal or no deal, public sector pay will have to be cut further as Merkel has indicated the EU will want a greater say in domestic economic policy of member states requiring bailouts from German taxpayers! And rightly so Angela!
    The IMF is visiting Ireland next week and they have said that they are very happy with what has being done in Ireland
    The pay cut that is coming is TAX increase for all worker and we will then hear the entire moan from the private sector workers
    I can just hear it now “why are we paying more tax to keep dose public sector workers on they inflated wages and gold plated pensions, it not fair"
    Well it is fact so live with it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭Welease


    So Vote No, and leave ICTU.. You won't because as usual you are all talk, and the only reason you are getting listened to is we have a weak incompetant government.

    There are about 450,000 people who didn't get to vote on continuing to receive bloated salaries and benefits..

    If you are looking for sympathy, then why don't you have a pity party at work.. It will give you something to do while you are not answering the phones.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,903 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    Tipp Man wrote: »
    Is this actually true??

    yes
    If so is it even legal??

    yes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭galway2007


    Welease wrote: »
    So Vote No, and leave ICTU.. You won't because as usual you are all talk, and the only reason you are getting listened to is we have a weak incompetant government.

    There are about 450,000 people who didn't get to vote on continuing to receive bloated salaries and benefits..

    If you are looking for sympathy, then why don't you have a pity party at work.. It will give you something to do while you are not answering the phones.
    Sorry it is not the PS fault that 450k are on the dole
    A lot of that is due to private sector employers protecting there massive profits


  • Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    murphaph wrote: »
    Your union (as you have known all along) is a member of ICTU and if ICTU as a whole accepts the deal, your union will have to accept it too.

    Nonsense. If ICTU try to bulldoze this through us, despite our rejection and our union leaders lie down then there'll be mass resignations from the union.

    If however the CPSU leaders stand their ground and properly represent their members then we will see a dismantling of the ICTU cabal...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭Welease


    galway2007 wrote: »
    Sorry it is not the PS fault that 450k are on the dole
    A lot of that is due to private sector employers protecting there massive profits

    Who said the PS were to blame?

    I said they didnt get a vote on their conditions..

    You have your vote.. You all want to talk the talk on here.. Lets see if you will walk the walk..

    I'm guessing you won't.. Vote No, leave ICTU and give the rest of us the biggest laugh we have seen in years..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭problemchimp


    I don't think the croker deal is as straight forward as no job losses and no future pay cuts. As I have said in previous threads, the cuts need to start at the top down. Judges immune from pension levy because they are judges? Is this fair? pensions being paid to politicians in their 50's while still working. The majority of the cabinet are teachers on a career break and the tax payer is still paying contributions into their teachers pension fund. Is this fair? Ex taoisigh having government cars driven by garda at a time when we need Gardai for more important things, not driving around the country promoting their book like Bertie. We are also paying their mobile phone bills. It all adds up. The lower paid PS workers shouldn't be the first ones hit in PS reform, it should be from the top down. The system is set up to protect the people in power not the average citizen in public or private sector. When that system starts to fail they set up NAMA to protect the big donators of the past and meanwhile stirring up trouble among the working class public and private. The PS workers are trying to protect themselves and their families and I suggest the private sector do the same by organising themselves and protesting about the real reason we are in the shiite instead of having a go at lower paid PS workers. And please note that I am not a PS worker myself but a self employed worker on my fukcing knees with no benefits.


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  • Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Welease wrote: »
    Vote No, leave ICTU

    Thats my ideal scenario...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭Welease


    Thats my ideal scenario...

    The option is there.. You lot haven't the balls to do it though..

    All fkin talk.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,424 ✭✭✭garhjw


    too many civil servants are overpaid and underworked.

    i feel sorry for those civil servants who work hard and take pride in their jobs.

    along with the government squandering money, the unions have bled this country dry. how can this country progress with a government and union leaders like this.

    institutionalised incompetence


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,638 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    Nonsense. If ICTU try to bulldoze this through us, despite our rejection and our union leaders lie down then there'll be mass resignations from the union.

    If however the CPSU leaders stand their ground and properly represent their members then we will see a dismantling of the ICTU cabal...

    you knew before you voted that it would be an ictu majority and not just cpsu that would decide it

    if you didnt agree with that you should have said so before the vote and forced the cpsu to so not after when its sour grapes cause you look like your not going to get your way


  • Posts: 3,925 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    dean21 wrote: »
    The IMF is visiting Ireland next week and they have said that they are very happy with what has being done in Ireland
    The pay cut that is coming is TAX increase for all worker and we will then hear the entire moan from the private sector workers
    I can just hear it now “why are we paying more tax to keep dose public sector workers on they inflated wages and gold plated pensions, it not fair"
    Well it is fact so live with it


    What?


  • Posts: 3,925 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    @ Silvio - there's 400k people who'd love some scab work if you're planning on striking. Go for it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭Welease


    Nonsense. If ICTU try to bulldoze this through us, despite our rejection and our union leaders lie down then there'll be mass resignations from the union.

    If however the CPSU leaders stand their ground and properly represent their members then we will see a dismantling of the ICTU cabal...

    You don't have the balls or intelligence to do anything of the sort..

    A few weeks ago you were all proclaiming no deal would be agreed...
    Then you were claiming no one would vote for the CP deal
    Then the majority are voting for the CP deal..

    The government have played you like the muppets you are.. They know you are all talk and when push comes to shove will go crawling back looking for more handouts.

    So this weeks cry is.. we will walk away from ICTU.. <laughs> you have been wrong on everything else so far...you will be wrong on this ..

    Standing alone you would be right in the firing line for this weak government, and without your big bully union mates standing behind you... you are nothing..

    You lack the balls to do anything.. and have proven that amply thus far...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,583 ✭✭✭✭cson


    I want to know what a gold plated pension is. I want me one of those. :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭Head The Wall


    cson wrote: »
    I want to know what a gold plated pension is. I want me one of those. :cool:
    It's one where you pay feck all in compared to what you get out. Some members can also start collecting theirs at 50 yrs


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭problemchimp


    cson wrote: »
    I want to know what a gold plated pension is. I want me one of those. :cool:
    gold plated pensions are for Fingleton, Fitzpatrick and other private sector workers of their like. Hard workers who saved our country from ruin.


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