China: A man with a kitchen cleaver hacked to death a teacher and 7 kindergarten kids

Hazys

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/05/11/china.school.attack/

Beijing, China (CNN) -- The death toll from an attack at a kindergarten in northwestern China rose to nine Wednesday after one of the wounded victims died, state media said.

A man with a kitchen cleaver hacked to death a teacher and seven kindergarten students -- five boys and two girls. He then returned home and committed suicide, state media said.

The teacher's mother, who was wounded in the attack, later died at a hospital -- bringing the toll to nine, the Xinhua news agency said.

Officials do not yet know what prompted the 48-year-old man to attack students at a private school in Shaanxi province.

It was at least the fourth such attack on school children in the last month.

In addition to the fatalities, 11 children were wounded in the attack. Among them were two children who were hospitalized in serious condition, Xinhua said.

Twenty children attended the school.

China has seen a spate of attacks at schools in recent days.

On April 30, a man armed with a hammer injured five preschool children in east China before setting himself on fire in a classroom suicide, a government spokesman told Xinhua news agency.

The attacker held two children in his arms as he poured gasoline over himself, the spokesman said. Teachers in Weifang City, Shandong province, pulled the children away as the man died, the spokesman said.

On April 29, at least 28 children were injured when a man with a knife attacked a kindergarten in east China, state media said. Most of the victims were 4-year-olds and three of the children were in critical condition.

Police arrested a 47-year-old suspect. The incident happened in Taixing city in Jiangsu province.

On April 28, a man attacked 18 students and a teacher with a knife at a primary school in southern China's Guangdong province, Xinhua said.

The attacks come despite the execution of Zheng Minsheng, 42, a former community doctor who stabbed eight children to death and wounded five others at an elementary school in eastern China on March 23.

Zheng, executed by a firing squad in Nanping City late last month, told investigators he carried out the attack because he was frustrated by "failures in his romantic life and in society," according to Xinhua.

China Daily newspaper quoted Nanjing University sociology professor Zhu Li as saying Zheng's attack inspired copycats.

"Some people may not have thought about stabbing school children, but due to the media's coverage of such a case, they got an idea," Zhu said.

Chinese authorities have begun teaching safety awareness in school curriculums, China Daily reported.

Officials also have tightened security in schools by hiring extra guards to escort students to and from class

What a sick and cowardly thing to do. It seems to becoming a trend in China, the 4th such attack in a month.

Is it the fact that China is such an oppressive country that it drives people mad and they commit such horrible acts?

I know horrible sh1t happens all around the world in democratic 1st world countries but they are never as bad and as frequent as adults murdering kids aged 4/5 with meat cleavers.

Iwasfrozen

Hazys wrote: »

Is it the fact that China is such an oppressive country that it drives people mad and they commit such horrible acts?

Nah, it's just that more people means more loonies.

Coriolanus

I know horrible sh1t happens all around the world in democratic 1st world countries but they are never as bad and as frequent as adults murdering kids aged 4/5 with meat cleavers.

Yeah, at least the Dunblane mass-murderer was "civilised" enough to use a gun. :rolleyes:

Hazys

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Nah, it's just that more people means more loonies.

But still even with a population of >1B these acts to population ratio is very very high.

Coriolanus

Hazys wrote: »

But still even with a population of >1B these acts to population ratio is very very high.

Do you have any statistics on that?

Myrddin

Seriously, what the hell is going on over there???

galwayrush

EnterNow wrote: »

Seriously, what the hell is going on over there???

Wait until their property bubble bursts.:eek:

Iwasfrozen

Hazys wrote: »

But still even with a population of >1B these acts to population ratio is very very high.

Nevore wrote:

Do you have any statistics on that?

This. You can't jsut say something like that without backing it up.

Resi12

I heard about this but I either blocked it out of my mind for obvious reasons or they were being hush-hush about it at the time.

Awful, when he is caught he is going to be massacred, they give the death penalty over there for drugs let alone something as disgusting as that.

Iwasfrozen

Resi12 wrote: »

I heard about this but I either blocked it out of my mind for obvious reasons or they were being hush-hush about it at the time.

Awful, when he is caught he is going to be massacred, they give the death penalty over there for drugs let alone something as disgusting as that.

Article wrote:

He then returned home and committed suicide, state media said

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Hazys

Nevore wrote: »

Do you have any statistics on that?

USA has a quarter of the population, so one in every 4 months would mean one a month in the USA.

Sure US has high school mass shootings but these certainly dont happen on a monthly basis, maybe one/two a year. As bad as those acts are its never as fcuked up as an adult killing children with a meat cleaver, its usually students killing other students.

Coriolanus

Biased sampling is a pretty common statistical error. You're comparing apples to oranges ie: a single, one month, aberrant sample in China compared to an general, anecdotal review of the States.

Get me the numbers on all shootings involving 1) children victims and adult perpetrators and 2) multiple casualties, in the last, say twenty years, and we can start drawing some conclusions.

Otherwise we're just cherry picking the results that'll suit our agendas.

Hazys

Nevore wrote: »

Biased sampling is a pretty common statistical error. You're comparing apples to oranges ie: a single, one month, aberrant sample in China compared to an general, anecdotal review of the States.

Get me the numbers on all shootings involving 1) children victims and adult perpetrators and 2) multiple casualties, in the last, say twenty years, and we can start drawing some conclusions.

Otherwise we're just cherry picking the results that'll suit our agendas.

It was just an educated guess, im not going off and pulling up US crime statistics (or other 1st world country statistics) and hacking the Chinese govt site to get their figures to compare.

And its not just one month either this has been going on,for a while now. These are particularly sick mass murder crimes against the least able to defend themselves, these crimes aren't happening that often elsewhere in the world outside of war zones or lawless countries.

Coriolanus

If it's just an educated guess, state it as so, not as fact. Try including "in my opinion" or "it seems to me that" etc.
Seriously, it's a pretty serious attack on an entire nation to assert that they're statistically more likely to murder children. If it was someone posting this about Ireland, there'd be bloody murder.
But the Chinese? Sure they're all mad. Wouldn't put it past them. :rolleyes:

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

This. You can't jsut say something like that without backing it up.

You don't have to, it's pretty obvious...

Overheal

Those Chinese with their Liberal Meat Cleaver legislation!! :mad:

Hazys

Nevore wrote: »

If it's just an educated guess, state it as so, not as fact. Try including "in my opinion" or "it seems to me that" etc.
Seriously, it's a pretty serious attack on an entire nation to assert that they're statistically more likely to murder children. If it was someone posting this about Ireland, there'd be bloody murder.
But the Chinese? Sure they're all mad. Wouldn't put it past them. :rolleyes:

Where did i try to pass off anything as fact other than my opinion?

Or do i have to prefix every post i post on boards with IMO?

Biggins

5th attack in as many weeks.

The incident in Shaanxi province, which ended with the assailant's suicide, was the fifth attack on children in less than two months

See: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20100512/twl-nine-hacked-to-death-in-new-chinese-ef7dd21.html

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Hazys wrote: »

USA has a quarter of the population, so one in every 4 months would mean one a month in the USA.

Am I reading this right?

TPD

Ban meat cleavers?

Duggy747

It's wierd, I see a lot of nasty vids on the web and vids from China always have some nutter randomly slicing people up in the streets.

When Chinese nutjobs crack, they grab a knife, take out as many people as possible and then top themselves

Lately, it's been focused on kids, the sick fùcks!

Hazys

Melvin Harsh Cab wrote: »

Am I reading this right?

Again educated guess...damn ye educated guess nazis

US population: 300m
China population: 130m
Roughly China's population is 4X the US population

If an event occurs 4 times in a month in China, you would expect the same event to occur once a month in the US with all things being equal.

My name is URL

I wonder if it's something to do with the one-child-policy.. that's pretty barbaric in its own right. Maybe the fact that children are being targeted and little regard shown for their lives is correlated to the lack of regard for the population's own lives.

sron

My name is URL wrote: »

I wonder if it's something to do with the one-child-policy.. that's pretty barbaric in its own right. Maybe the fact that children are being targeted and little regard shown for their lives is correlated to the lack of regard for the population's own lives.

Seems to be that most Chinese people are treated like a cog in a machine (and not in that fancy European existential way), and the worth of the individual is pittance. Perhaps when you see yourself and the people around you as of such little worth, you do a thing like this. The psychological health of the nation there is worrying.

enniscorthy

GODS CURSE ON THAT PIECE OF SHIT ... HIS DEEDS THEY WOULD SHAME ALL THE DEVILS IN HELL

DarkJager

Sometimes you simply feel nothing but shame for being part of this species.

Kirnsy

Duggy747 wrote: »

It's wierd, I see a lot of nasty vids on the web and vids from China always have some nutter randomly slicing people up in the streets.

When Chinese nutjobs crack, they grab a knife, take out as many people as possible and then top themselves

Lately, it's been focused on kids, the sick fùcks!

I think its more a copy cat crime, the first one got widespread media attention and then someone else has being picking up the knife for the next assault. shocking.

enniscorthy

SOMEBODY STOP THE WORLD I WANT TO GET OFF :mad:

bytesize

A lot of people are coming on here with little to no knowledge of China or the Chinese people apart from what they read or hear in the Western news. I lived in China for 2.5 years and have known and lived with Chinese people for years before that.

A lot of what you hear in the news is just Western bull hype. Some is true but to the extent it is dramatised is false.

Yes, there have been killings related to children in China. Yes, we are hearing about it over here, but you fail to realise or simply turn a blind eye to things that happen on a wider scope all around the world.

Everyday children are being beaten, molested, abused, turned into slaves. You name it, it happens. And that is just here in the western world. Just because a few incidents happen in a short time doesn't mean it is a widespread and constant occurance.

The streets of China can be far safer than the streets of Dublin.

Thirdfox

Hazys wrote: »

But still even with a population of >1B these acts to population ratio is very very high.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

China 2.36 per 100,000 (Hong Kong is 0.49 per 100k)
US 5.4 per 100,000 (more than 2 times the rate of China)
Rep. of Ireland 1.59 per 100,000
Northern Ireland 2.48 per 100k
United Kingdom 2.03 per 100k
South Africa 37 per 100k

So China is in between Portugal and Switzerland in terms of murders. The reason that it's in the news right now is that it's so shocking that people have been murdered - you'll note that the article (at least on the BBC) states that violent deadly crime is usually so rare in the country.

Though none of us are as good as the Japanese - 0.44 per 100k.

In fact, walking around Tokyo, they had billboards in front of police stations informing people walking by that they have had X reported assaults, Y car accidents, Z murders in the city that day (the city has a population of 15+ million I believe). Shockingly safe

Resi12 wrote: »

I heard about this but I either blocked it out of my mind for obvious reasons or they were being hush-hush about it at the time.

Awful, when he is caught he is going to be massacred, they give the death penalty over there for drugs let alone something as disgusting as that.

They also give the death penalty for corruption and white collar crime - not that I'm in favour of the death penalty but certainly I think that if you're going to kill a drug trafficker then you should also apply that punishment to someone who, say, took bribes to allow medicines to get by the FDA without proper tests.

orourkeda

Hazys wrote: »

Again educated guess...damn ye educated guess nazis

US population: 300m
China population: 130m
Roughly China's population is 4X the US population

If an event occurs 4 times in a month in China, you would expect the same event to occur once a month in the US with all things being equal.

They're not

Manic Moran

Awful, when he is caught he is going to be massacred, they give the death penalty over there for drugs let alone something as disgusting as that.

I don't think you can have a massacre of one person, can you?

Besides, I'm sure it would be done with the usual Chinese efficiency (If he hadn't killed himself). Bullet to the back of the head, and send the bill to the executed's family. Like what happened the guy who stabbed and killed a bunch of kids about two months ago.

NTM

goose2005

China has very poor mental health facilities.

x PyRo

enniscorthy wrote: »

SOMEBODY STOP THE WORLD I WANT TO GET OFF :mad:

Here's your own theme tune.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxkjqU78aRQ

kumate_champ07

Nevore wrote: »

Do you have any statistics on that?

4:1,000,000,000?

Nodin

Hazys wrote: »

Is it the fact that China is such an oppressive country that it drives people mad and they commit such horrible acts?.

.....well, the last I looked, such things weren't confined to china....It may be that because of the one child policy, children are so precious as to become a target for the worst kind of nut, however.

Hazys wrote: »

I know horrible sh1t happens all around the world in democratic 1st world countries but they are never as bad and as frequent as adults murdering kids aged 4/5 with meat cleavers.

Theres 300 Million Americans and (on memory) over 1.20 Billion Chinese....I also seem to remember the age of the children in the Dunblane massacre were around 5/6.

Coriolanus

Manic Moran wrote: »

I don't think you can have a massacre of one person, can you?

Besides, I'm sure it would be done with the usual Chinese efficiency (If he hadn't killed himself). Bullet to the back of the head, and send the bill to the executed's family. Like what happened the guy who stabbed and killed a bunch of kids about two months ago.

NTM

Except where the jail is near a hospital renowned for ocular surgeries up to and including eye transplants. Then I think they find another way. Strange that, eh?

Iwasfrozen

Madison Small Sunscreen wrote: »

You don't have to, it's pretty obvious...

...No, it isn't.

jimi_t2

goose2005 wrote: »

China has very poor mental health facilities.

Appallingly bad, as are its orphanages. A harrowing documentary is available on google videos, I'd suggest you watch it.

I wonder if it's something to do with the one-child-policy.. that's pretty barbaric in its own right. Maybe the fact that children are being targeted and little regard shown for their lives is correlated to the lack of regard for the population's own lives.

I don't think this fella was trying to make a political statement to be fair -
he hacked to death a teacher and seven kindergarten students before committing suicide. Had they all been of the same gender you could make some sort of case for a bias related to the one-child-policy.

Seems to be that most Chinese people are treated like a cog in a machine (and not in that fancy European existential way), and the worth of the individual is pittance. Perhaps when you see yourself and the people around you as of such little worth, you do a thing like this. The psychological health of the nation there is worrying.

I'll reserve judgement on that, but from having met a lot of ex-pats who lived in China this would seem to be the general view of things for the working classes over there.

I lived in China for 2.5 years and have known and lived with Chinese people for years before that.

A lot of what you hear in the news is just Western bull hype. Some is true but to the extent it is dramatised is false.

Yes, there have been killings related to children in China.... Just because a few incidents happen in a short time doesn't mean it is a widespread and constant occurance.

I'm flabbergasted that you're trying to defend this. There have been FIVE incidences of mass-murder by a 3rd party in an educational institutions this month in china.

While this might be an incident without precedent, five in a row cannot be ignored - regardless of the size of population. When a cultural precedent is set, the size of the sample group really doesn't matter anymore.

5 mass murders in a row in Chinese schools...Has there been that many in Europe and the US combined in the last 10 years? I know there were a few in Belgium, Columbine, Texas Tech...

garv123

Nevore wrote: »

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But the Chinese? Sure they're all mad. Wouldn't put it past them. :rolleyes:

Have you proof and statistics for thst statement or is that just an educated guess?

ChocolateSauce

An east Asian went on a killing spree in a school?

Must be Tuesday.

Coriolanus

garv123 wrote: »

Have you proof and statistics for thst statement or is that just an educated guess?

Check your sarcasm detector. Actually wait, considering the content of your post it's pretty obvious you read all of mine, and knew it was sarcasm. Way to contribute internet warrior.