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Irish public sector has give more than other EU public sector

  • 12-05-2010 09:28PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭


    Irish public sector has give more than any other public sector
    The Irish public sector have given way more than any other public sector and it is time to stand up and be ready to bring this country to its knees if need be
    The Greeks have given the following
    Public sector pay frozen until 2014
    Public sector salary bonuses - equivalent to two months' extra pay - scrapped or capped
    Public sector allowances cut by 20%
    The Spanish will give
    5% pay cut
    Now is the time to reject the croke park deal and also reject the crap that is written here by private sector worker as most of them in one way or another cause this country to be F*****D by their greed.
    Stand up for our condition and pay vote no now but remember that your union is in bed with this government
    If they touch us again be prepared to take all services out but for now vote no and take no more crap


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭Welease


    Great..vote No.. and stop whining..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    I suggest you visit another european country and experience their health systems, their transport systems, their planning systems, and then ask yourself, money aside, which public sector has given the most.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,136 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    This is more of it.. Just fanning the flames. You could really have posted this at the end of one multiple "anti-PS" threads. Did it really deserve a new one?

    Anyway to your point. Given more away than any other EU Public sector? Possibly because they were overpaid to begin with!

    Go on. Vote No. See how far and how much it gets you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,456 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Is this a troll?!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭Scarab80


    galway2007 wrote: »
    Irish public sector has give more than any other public sector
    The Irish public sector have given way more than any other public sector and it is time to stand up and be ready to bring this country to its knees if need be
    The Greeks have given the following
    Public sector pay frozen until 2014
    Public sector salary bonuses - equivalent to two months' extra pay - scrapped or capped
    Public sector allowances cut by 20%
    The Spanish will give
    5% pay cut
    Now is the time to reject the croke park deal and also reject the crap that is written here by private sector worker as most of them in one way or another cause this country to be F*****D by their greed. Stand up for our condition and pay vote no now but remember that your union is in bed with this government
    If they touch us again be prepared to take all services out but for now vote no and take no more crap

    Is that right? The removal of the 2 month bonus is a 14% reduction straight up along with the following....

    Freeze on state pensions (450 million)
    Reducing bonuses and pay by 7 percent for public sector employees (360 million)
    Cuts to pension subsidies (150 million)
    Other measures include: reducing government overtime hours by 30 percent, cutting public-sector benefits 10 percent


    Paycuts for the irish public / civil servant

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 321 ✭✭dromdrom


    Just after watching 'life after dell' on t.v there real people struggling to get by, it sickens me to the core to come on here and see well paid public servants with a sense of entitlement that would put an African dictator to shame harp on about the pain they are feeling. Dear god let them vote no and lets give our leaders a mandate to take them down.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,754 ✭✭✭oldyouth


    Delighted to hear that the CPSU has rejected the Croke Park agreement. I for one will toot my horn as I drive by yout picket line. In fact, I look forward to doing that for years to come. Keep up the good work, the nation is proud of you. Great to hear that the island of public service has aligned itself to a small country like Ireland


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,123 ✭✭✭stepbar


    dromdrom wrote: »
    Just after watching 'life after dell' on t.v there real people struggling to get by, it sickens me to the core to come on here and see well paid public servants with a sense of entitlement that would put an African dictator to shame harp on about the pain they are feeling. Dear god let them vote no and lets give our leaders a mandate to take them down.

    O please god they do vote no.

    Then the government might actually take the hatchet to the bloated public service that exists in this country.

    But don't be fooled.... it won't happen overnight.


  • Posts: 3,925 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    dromdrom wrote: »
    well paid public servants with a sense of entitlement that would put an African dictator to shame

    Haha!

    Well said.


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  • Posts: 3,925 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'd also like to add that the Irish public sector has give a fair bit more pay than similar public sectors. Someone on the dole in Ireland earns almost as much as a teacher in Greece. Which you might want to take into account when you get into the "has give" side of the argument.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 85 ✭✭johnhargrove


    I worked in the department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment (As it was then known) for 2yrs.

    People in the public sector don't work as hard as those in the private,
    there's more perks, its an easier life, and the unions are having a laugh right now.
    Again I speak from personal experience, I was even in the union!

    We cannot afford our bloated public sector anymore,
    get over it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,123 ✭✭✭stepbar


    I worked in the department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment (As it was then known) for 2yrs.

    People in the public sector don't work as hard as those in the private,
    there's more perks, its an easier life, and the unions are having a laugh right now.
    Again I speak from personal experience, I was even in the union!

    We cannot afford our bloated public sector anymore,
    get over it.

    I worked 3 months in a Dole Office and seen enough in that 3 months to have an opinion.

    The breaks were absolutely amazing (probably on average 1hr 45min). Flexi Time another joke. One person in addition to the 20 days holidays she had, worked up another 20 days in flexi time even though there was no work to be done.

    The computer system was (and still is) a joke and actually was the main reason for probably keeping about half the office in a job.

    If anyone tells me that there's not scope for improvement in the public service I'll throw them a box.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 879 ✭✭✭dunsandin


    To OP- and yet not enough.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 85 ✭✭johnhargrove


    stepbar wrote: »
    I worked 3 months in a Dole Office and seen enough in that 3 months to have an opinion.

    The breaks were absolutely amazing (probably on average 1hr 45min). Flexi Time another joke. One person in addition to the 20 days holidays she had, worked up another 20 days in flexi time even though there was no work to be done.

    The computer system was (and still is) a joke and actually was the main reason for probably keeping about half the office in a job.

    If anyone tells me that there's not scope for improvement in the public service I'll throw them a box.


    Why the heck can't people get together and put a stop to this carry on??

    We're borrowing to pay 50% of the public sector wage bill.
    This is not sustainable.

    You could argue that public servants deserve the pay. Fine.
    But we simply haven't got the money to pay them!!!!!!!!
    You can't spend more than you earn!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 827 ✭✭✭thebaldsoprano


    galway2007 wrote: »
    Irish public sector has give more than any other public sector

    Maybe it's because they were getting more than any other public sector. Looking at teacher's pay from 2007:

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    Taken from here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 827 ✭✭✭thebaldsoprano


    Interesting article here about the EU wishing to set guidelines for public sector pay.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    I dont think using teachers is a good example. For instance it is a skilled job, in that you have to learn the subjects your teaching, and you have to deal with kids - yuck.

    But there are hundreds of other jobs in the PS to compare to. How much does a woman with basic typing skills earn in the dole office, compared to other european countries.

    I'm in the Czech Republic and am on a fantastic wage of 1200 euro a month. An office clerk would be on a third of that. Now I know a PS worker will come on and say "Ah yes but cost of living..." For a start clothes here are more expensive than in Ireland. I honestly wonder how people clothe themselves. Alcohol and cigarettes are alot cheaper but you cant live on them, and my GF and I are paying 100 euro less than our house in Dublin did.

    Btw the reason I am here is because neither my GF or I had a job for life. I pray to the almighty the unions vote no on the croke park deal and Brian lenihan can take a scalpel to the PS. Abolish the RSA they do nothing anyway. Getting rid of the QUANGOs, would do half the job and bypass the unions.

    Minister:"We're cutting your pay"
    Union:"Well if you do that then we'll go on strike and no work will be done"

    Minister:"We're closing your department, your all unemployed"
    Union:"Well if you do that then we'll go on strike and no work will be done... Oh."

    Minister:"Yeah."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭Andrew33


    Rojomcdojo wrote: »
    I'd also like to add that the Irish public sector has give a fair bit more pay than similar public sectors. Someone on the dole in Ireland earns almost as much as a teacher in Greece. Which you might want to take into account when you get into the "has give" side of the argument.

    EARNS? hahahahahaha!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Andrew33 wrote: »
    EARNS? hahahahahaha!

    I actually LOL'ed. As in for real. That does not happen really happen very often.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 932 ✭✭✭paddyland


    galway2007 wrote: »
    The Irish public sector have given way more than any other public sector

    The Irish public sector has taken way more than any other public sector too. The more they have taken, the more they have to give.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭#15


    Maybe it's because they were getting more than any other public sector. Looking at teacher's pay from 2007:

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    Taken from here.

    Maybe primary teachers were getting more than most countries because they worked more than primary teachers in most other countries.

    OECD 2009

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    This thread is ridiculous btw.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 85 ✭✭johnhargrove


    Look you can debate whether public sector workers deserve the money until the cows come home.
    We just haven't got the money to pay them in this country, spending is out of control.
    If we're not seen to be making more cuts our cost of borrowing will increase further putting us in a tougher situation.

    I think the first cuts to make would be to politicians pay + pensions (cut further), cut CEO of semi-state bodies pay, cut hospital consultants pay (€250,000 in Ireland, £110,000 in the UK), cut the public sector expenses entitlements - when I worked in the public sector, if you were in a city such as Amsterdam for a day you got €222 per day to cover expenses. There was also some crazy rule that if you had a 10hr+ flight you could fly business class, some of my colleagues at a junior level took advantage of this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 85 ✭✭johnhargrove


    If working in the public sector is 'so bad', why are thousands upon thousands of private sector workers desperate to work in the public sector??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭dean21


    stepbar wrote: »
    O please god they do vote no.

    Then the government might actually take the hatchet to the bloated public service that exists in this country.

    But don't be fooled.... it won't happen overnight.

    Take the hatchet if they want
    You kids will be taught in a class room of 50 kids
    You will more than likely die on a trolley in pain
    And if you house is broken in you will be best to say in bed
    The people that will suffer from a reduced public sector are the poor and not the private sector worker that are moaning here
    But then I don’t expect any more from private sector worker as all thought the boom it was me me me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭galway2007


    Scarab80 wrote: »
    Is that right? The removal of the 2 month bonus is a 14% reduction straight up along with the following....

    Freeze on state pensions (450 million)
    Reducing bonuses and pay by 7 percent for public sector employees (360 million)
    Cuts to pension subsidies (150 million)
    Other measures include: reducing government overtime hours by 30 percent, cutting public-sector benefits 10 percent


    Paycuts for the irish public / civil servant

    5ap1sx.jpg

    They cut all there bonus not they real pay
    There is no bonus here for public sector except the higher paid PS who got to include that in they pay cut
    We have an overtime ban


  • Posts: 3,925 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    dean21 wrote: »
    Take the hatchet if they want
    You kids will be taught in a class room of 50 kids
    You will more than likely die on a trolley in pain
    And if you house is broken in you will be best to say in bed
    The people that will suffer from a reduced public sector are the poor and not the private sector worker that are moaning here
    But then I don’t expect any more from private sector worker as all thought the boom it was me me me.


    Anyone else noticing a certain lack of...well...intellect from certain people in this thread? Feck it sure, let's give them 25k a year for opening envelopes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭galway2007


    Why the heck can't people get together and put a stop to this carry on??

    We're borrowing to pay 50% of the public sector wage bill.
    This is not sustainable.

    You could argue that public servants deserve the pay. Fine.
    But we simply haven't got the money to pay them!!!!!!!!
    You can't spend more than you earn!
    Or the money to pay the 450 k on the dole
    look like we will have to ask them to leave the county


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭galway2007


    Rojomcdojo wrote: »
    Anyone else noticing a certain lack of...well...intellect from certain people in this thread? Feck it sure, let's give them 25k a year for opening envelopes.
    and you do????


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭galway2007


    Maybe it's because they were getting more than any other public sector. Looking at teacher's pay from 2007:

    eurozone-teachers-salaries.png

    Taken from here.
    cost of living????


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