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Libyan plane crash on route to gatwick 104 killed.

  • 12-05-2010 09:46AM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭


    Not good news,

    More than 100 people including Britons have been killed when a passenger jet crashed in Libya en route to to London Gatwick airport. The A330 200F plane operated by Libyan airline Afriqiyah crashed on landing at Tripoli airport where it originally took off from South Africa, The sole survivor is believed to be an eight-year-old Dutch boy.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8676758.stm


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 118 ✭✭girl24


    Hi, just wondering if anyone thinks its odd that another airbus has crashed, isn't it the third one in the last year or so?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭pclancy


    We don't have any idea why it went down yet so there's no point comparing it with other crashes yet, regardless of aircraft manufacturer. There have been several Airbus incidents this year but also several Boeing and other manufacturer related incidents also.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭Andrew33


    I was looking forward to flying on an AL 330 this summer,
    now I'm not so sure:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭pclancy


    Theres no logic at all to thinking like that any more then you wont get into your friends Toyota because your neighbour's Corolla the one down the road just hit a lampost.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,561 ✭✭✭andy_g


    Ok I know its only early days on this accident.But I will ask everyone to please not jump jump to any conclusions. This happened in our other thread regarding AF447. So I dont want to see examples of (Oh my god it was shot down kind of thing). Yes its going to be touchy subject because there was an Irish person on board. Andy


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭Andrew33


    pclancy wrote: »
    Theres no logic at all to thinking like that any more then you wont get into your friends Toyota because your neighbour's Corolla the one down the road just hit a lampost.

    Hence the "sarcastic smilie"
    I'd fly in anything:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 123 ✭✭aircraft tech trng


    I believe this is the 2nd A330 accident since production so lets hope the cause is found out. Its the only way to prevent a repeat, wether its due to weather, pilot error or a technical error. Was just reading an article published 15hrs ago in flightglobal regarding the AF447 incident and seems still their trying to obtain the recorder...

    AF447 search fails to locate A330 wreck

    Search teams in the South Atlantic have not turned up any trace of the crashed Air France Airbus A330 in a new exploration zone.
    Since 7 May the vessel Seabed Worker, aided by two autonomous underwater vehicles, have been searching for the wreckage of flight AF447 in an area some 40nm (75km) southwest of the jet's last known position.
    This area had been highlighted after a reassessment of acoustic signals obtained by the French nuclear submarine Emeraude in July 2009 suggested it had detected a beacon from the A330's flight recorders.
    But the French Bureau d'Enquetes et d'Analyses says that, after ensuring "optimal coverage" of the area during an underwater search "hampered by technical problems", the resources are to be redeployed, to a region further north that was being combed prior to 7 May.
    Flight AF447 came down in the South Atlantic on 1 June last year while en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris.
    While the search based on the submarine's information did not revealed evidence of the aircraft's wreckage, the BEA says it will collaborate with French Navy personnel to "continue to work on the accuracy of the data".

    http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/05/12/341897/redirected-af447-search-fails-to-locate-a330-wreck.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭kelle


    This is awful.

    It's amazing the plane had done it's full journey, and crashed as it landed. That's the part I'm always relieved at, but goes to show it's not over until the engine is switched off and passengers disembarked.

    I hope this little boy makes a full recovery (he is most likely an orphan though), and RIP to the other passengers and condolances to their families.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 123 ✭✭aircraft tech trng


    What is also suprising is total hours since production was around 1600hrs so it had just completed its 2nd A Check or was scheduled for one


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭John_Mc


    Tripoli has serious issues with its ATC services and navigational aids. From reading up on this over on PPRUNE, a lot of pilots said it's been an accident waiting to happen.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,561 ✭✭✭andy_g


    John_Mc wrote: »
    Tripoli has serious issues with its ATC services and navigational aids. From reading up on this over on PPRUNE, a lot of pilots said it's been an accident waiting to happen.

    But then againiit may not have anything to do with atc or nav aids as it looks like it came down short of the airport fencing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭John_Mc


    andy_g wrote: »
    But then againiit may not have anything to do with atc or nav aids as it looks like it came down short of the airport fencing

    That's true, unless it's a collision or the result of avoiding a collision, ATC can't be blamed for the crash as the captain has the final say in everything.

    However, the lack of an accurate and reliable navigation aid to use for approach could definitely contribute to one. Over on PPRUNE, a lot of pilots are describing crazy scenarios that would frighten you...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 123 ✭✭aircraft tech trng


    PPRUNE is also notorious for rumors hence the name PPRuNe PROFESSIONAL PILOTS RUMOR NETWORK. Just have a read of the statement at the very bottom of the home page........

    As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, or sciolists*, to elicit certain reactions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭John_Mc


    PPRUNE is also notorious for rumors hence the name PPRuNe PROFESSIONAL PILOTS RUMOR NETWORK. Just have a read of the statement at the very bottom of the home page........

    As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, or sciolists*, to elicit certain reactions.

    Yes, I know what PPRUNE stands for thanks. Nevertheless, check out the recent NOTAMS for Tripoli and you'll see the standard of the nav aids in use. A lot of pilots on PROFESSIONAL PILOTS RUMOR NETWORK also say that the notams aren't actually accurate.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 123 ✭✭aircraft tech trng


    Then shouldnt the pilots who find inaccuracy not raise a ASR to their local Aviation Authority highlighting this....wether it was the cause or not it could lead to an incident...............if there was any inaccuracy found in Europe, I bet it would hit headliness & fines
    Anyway its pointless arguing or jumping to conclusions. lets just hope the investigation points to the cause and lessons can be learnt to avoid a reoccurance


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭John_Mc


    Then shouldnt the pilots who find inaccuracy not raise a ASR to their local Aviation Authority highlighting this....wether it was the cause or not it could lead to an incident...............if there was any inaccuracy found in Europe, I bet it would hit headliness & fines

    Yep you're totally correct. This is Africa though, completely difference kettle of fish down there


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 123 ✭✭aircraft tech trng


    I'm not just referring to a Lybian airline pilot making an ASR but any pilot from whatever country that has experienced inaccuracy should be highlighting this to his airlines country of origin Aviation Authority and that authority should be following up.

    SAFETY IS EVERYONES RESPONSIBILTY... from the catering lorry to the bagage handler, to the engineer and the pilot


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭John_Mc


    Yes, I know what you are saying. So you file an ASR, and it goes through your airline to you aviation authority. What then? There SFA they can do about the lack of safety standards or infrastructure in Africa. Obviously if it were within the EU then the authority involved would actually be listened to.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 123 ✭✭aircraft tech trng


    Your right, I cant argue with that. Its a very fair answer. I just hope it wasnt due to inaccuracy. Over 100 lives lost, a son becomes an orphan............. a terrible tragedy and if it is due to inaccuracy then I really dont know what to say.

    hopefully investigation results will find the cause


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 123 ✭✭aircraft tech trng


    Here is an eye opening interesting article on the Afriqiyah crash: the circumstances


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