ATH Knockout match no.3: Waltersobchek vs Danger Dave

Bounty Hunter

So we had a quality opener with Voltwad seing off Volt_2007 to progress on to face Flahavaj in the quaterfinal and the really tight Degag vs Campo match which saw Campo progress to another QF, but who will he face Waltersobchek or Danger Dave.... now we find out!

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Q3: Who is currently the most underutilised member of the WWE roster? Why them and not other options available to you? and how would you change that situation if given the opportunity to book for them?

good luck.

waltersobchak

Q3: Who is currently the most underutilised member of the WWE roster? Why them and not other options available to you? and how would you change that situation if given the opportunity to book for them?

Well for me the most underutilised member of the WWE roster is Evan Bourne.. The guy is quite possibly the best highflyer in Pro Wrestling atm, is simply incredible in the ring, and has a great connection with the WWE audience imo, as the gutsy underdog. Although Bourne is on Raw regularly the majority of the time its in a loosing effort. The other thing about Evan Bourne is WWE changed their policy of top rope finishers for his SSP another example of this guys talent in the ring, if Vinny Mac is willing to allow him to use a banned move again thats obvious example of his talent consider guys like Juventud Guerrera and Paul London where'nt..The other options i could have gone for would have been guys like Matt Hardy or R- Truth or Chavo Guerreo but in truth these guys have been in WWE a long time and may be over, but will never win a world title, and in all honesty there best years arew clearly behind them..Bourne still has youth on his side and unlimited un-tapped potential.. And with an underdog gimmick he could go far

Firstly i would move Bourne to Smackdown, and give him a good run of matches and wins.. Then i would put him in a match with Rey Mysterio, Bourne puts in a tremendous performance and loses, but after the match Mysterio shakes Bournes hand and tells him he reminds him of a younger Rey Mysterio, and over the coming weeks they form a Tag Team.. Logically over time this puts Bourne in the position to be the logical replacement for Mysterio as that high flying babyface underdog role on Smackdown, also perhaps give him a midcard title run, and take it from there.

Danger_dave1

The "Animal " Batista


Do not let him leave the WWE , Big mistake, batista booked in the correct way is an "Animal " . So what do yo do? Simple you've got to bring him down before you build him up , and im mean build him up to the same extent as when he faced HHH at wrestlemania 21, Its already been discussed on the board, batista should fight john cena in an I quit match at over the limit .
The end of the match is key, a clean finish for Cena, with Batista not being able to take anymore.

Batista takes a 2 weeks break, the commentators on raw will push that fact that batista thinks he cant handle it at the top anymore. So he comes back a on raw two weeks later, not looking the same imposing figure as before, he's booked in a singles match against willaim regal. Regal wins with interfernce from skip sheffield. Batista goes on to lose two more matches on the following Raws. He cant seem to get a win from anywhere. Backstages clips are shown with him looking dejected and depressed with his perfomances. ( try to make it appears hes doubting himself)


The final raw before Fatal four way! Batista the sleeping animal awakens in a match against Sheamus , its not a match its a pounding, The "Animal" lets lose, Sheamus cant handle the power. Batista is disqualfied for hitting the referee. He gets dragged out of the areana by security . He is banned from taking part in fatal four way. all the time the commentators are saying it looks as if Batista cant control himself anymore, and theres doubts if he can ever get back to the main event.


From here Batista beats everyone contending for the WWE Championship . Batista cuts a promo 3 weeks from Summerslam calling out Cena ! he's sick of people bring up the I quit match , he's sick of seeing the clips of him quiting . So at summerslam he wants to see Cena quit. He wants a rematch , I quit match Summerslam! the result a no decision due to both wrestlers passing out, which leads to a longer feud with the rage of Batista building to an eventual win


Now why have i pick Batista ? Batista correctly booked is a brilliant WWE champion/ contender he can create big moments of hype in matches, look back to the feud with Undertaker 2/3 years ago, that was not all taker the ending of the elimnation chamber, the Hell in the cell, look at his feud with HHH and Flair again he brought a hunger to all these feuds, thats what made them work. Yes he has his flaws all wreslters do, but with the rumours of him leaving the WWE being true, one thing is sure he's too good used correctly to be outside the WWE. So a push like this opens the doors to so many excellent feuds Batista and HHH, Jericho . Get him to go to Smackdown and feud with Swagger. Batista is a big name and could help push swagger even more.

waltersobchak

How exactly is a 6 time World Champion, Royal Rumble Winner and multipule Wrestlemania Main Eventer underutilized??

Not only that but Batista's current gimmick as the cock sure, obnoxiously arrogant heel, has won over many wrestling fans who thought Big Dave only got to the top because of his friendship with HHH. And the guy is more over now that he's ever been.. And has for me personally along with CM Punk and Jericho been the most compelling heel of 2010, firstly with his involvement with the Bret Hart storyline and then using Mr McMahon as a way to get the title from Cena

Whereas someone like Evan Bourne who is legimately underutilized by WWE barely gets a look in on WWE programming other than Superstars and loosing on Raw. Compared to Batista who won the title from WWE's poster boy John Cena at Elimination Chamber, and then Main Evented the subsequent 2 PPV's.. Batista if anything is overultized by WWE and has been on the top of card on both brands since 2005..

Also why would you have Batista completely bury WWE newest monster heel of 2010 in Sheamus, that reeks of Vince Russo booking in my honest opinion, especially since Batistas on the way out and Sheamus is on the rise

Danger_dave1

waltersobchak wrote: »

How exactly is a 6 time World Champion, Royal Rumble Winner and multipule Wrestlemania Main Eventer underutilized??

Big Dave only got to the top because of his friendship with HHH

Big Dave did not just get to the top because of HHH and Flair, He got to the top within an excellent feud with both of them. He proved he could create a meanginful feud with two of the top Superstars of the WWE at the time. Theres only so much help you can get before you turn into Mark Henry. Dave Batista got a hand up but he kept himself up there

Batista could be a 10 time world champion and still be underutilized. Any Main eventer can be underutilized. I feel that batista still has massive potential in building future superstars and creating a classic feud with any of the top wrestlers and i could easily seem him give a big rub to a future main eventer, such as jack swagger from a feud with the "Animal" . To let established main eventers leave who pull the crowds , pull the numbers for ppvs.

Now you would give Evan Bourne a run which would effectively end in a defeat. Now that stops all of the momentum that you just gave him and it puts him in the limbo of a tag with Rey mysterio .

He gets a mid card push to what ? , against who ? to what end? may have sounded better if you elaborated to how best utilize his high flying game, but it just seems you'll move him to a different brand where he'll end up being used in the same manner as to whats happening to him now on Raw

waltersobchak

Danger_dave1 wrote: »

Big Dave did not just get to the top because of HHH and Flair, He got to the top within an excellent feud with both of them. He proved he could create a meanginful feud with two of the top Superstars of the WWE at the time. Theres only so much help you can get before you turn into Mark Henry. Dave Batista got a hand up but he kept himself up there

Yes he did, Flair and HHH by association got Batista over.. when Batista first came into WWE and was Bautista and was Reverend D'Vons sidekick, he got absolutely nowhere, he was just another Wooden,Green, Big Man.. Until he moved to Raw and joined Evolution, becoming the muscle
of the group, by being in a stable with HHH and Ric Flair he became a big deal, and was put over by HHH at Wrestlemania 21... Do you honestly think that would have happened if he was still holding D'Vons collection box??

Batista could be a 10 time world champion and still be underutilized. Any Main eventer can be underutilized. I feel that batista still has massive potential in building future superstars and creating a classic feud with any of the top wrestlers and i could easily seem him give a big rub to a future main eventer, such as jack swagger from a feud with the "Animal" . To let established main eventers leave who pull the crowds , pull the numbers for ppvs.

But he isnt Underutilized, he's Main Event Wrestlemania's, PPV's on both Smackdown and Raw, won the Royal Rumble, And is a 6 time world Champion.. All is the space of 5 years, so to call him underutilized is outreagous, Also i doubt Batista will stick around WWE just to put people over.. Also Heel vs Heel is not very likely considering Swagger is such a green champion, who has no heat at all from the crowd, fair enough if you said forming an alliance between Swagger and Batista, which would be
a tremendous way for Jack Swagger to get over as a legitimate champion, and draw some of the huge heat Batista has earned in 2010, but a match between the 2 wouldnt be quite so good in my honest opinion..

Now you would give Evan Bourne a run which would effectively end in a defeat. Now that stops all of the momentum that you just gave him and it puts him in the limbo of a tag with Rey mysterio .

He gets a mid card push to what ? , against who ? to what end? may have sounded better if you elaborated to how best utilize his high flying game, but it just seems you'll move him to a different brand where he'll end up being used in the same manner as to whats happening to him now on Raw

Yes by losing he still look's good and also a worthy competitor to Mysterio, ala The Undertaker, Jeff Hardy Ladder match from Raw in 2002, Whereby even in defeat Bourne would look good as the respect earned from Mysterio would echo with the fans, making Bourne look good and elevating him.

He gets a mid card push because im being realistic here Dave, i could say push Bourne to the moon but the likelihood to that is all relative to what WWE is doing at the time, and currently Smackdown is pushing young talent, so yes Bourne fits the brand perfectly and furthermore associating him with Mysterio means he looks like the next Mysterio in the eyes of the fans, and as Mysterio is WWEs biggest star arguebly amoungst childern, Bourne also fits the mould perfectly as a clean cut babyface..

Also being in a tag team with Rey, a former World champion is hardly limbo, its a tremendous way for Mysterio to past the torch to a young up and comer with more potential than anyone else in WWE in my honest opinion.. Wheras Big Dave is a constant in WWE, always on shows,
alway on PPV's and regularly wins big titles.. He's about as underutilized in the WWE as John Cena, Randy Orton, Edge or Chris Jericho

Also what was your reason for picking Batista over actual underutilized WWE talent?

Danger_dave1

waltersobchak wrote: »

Until he moved to Raw and joined Evolution, becoming the muscle
of the group, by being in a stable with HHH and Ric Flair he became a big deal, and was put over by HHH at Wrestlemania 21...

He gets a mid card push because im being realistic here Dave, i could say push Bourne to the moon but the likelihood to that is all relative to what WWE is doing at the time, and currently Smackdown is pushing young talent, so yes Bourne fits the brand perfectly and furthermore associating him with Mysterio means he looks like the next Mysterio in the eyes of the fans, and as Mysterio is WWEs biggest star arguebly amoungst childern, Bourne also fits the mould perfectly as a clean cut babyface..

Also being in a tag team with Rey, a former World champion is hardly limbo, its a tremendous way for Mysterio to past the torch to a young up and comer with more potential than anyone else in WWE in my honest opinion.. Wheras Big Dave is a constant in WWE, always on shows,
alway on PPV's and regularly wins big titles.. He's about as underutilized in the WWE as John Cena, Randy Orton, Edge or Chris Jericho

Also what was your reason for picking Batista over actual underutilized WWE talent?

You only state that Rey will pass the torch now?, you did not elaborate on how he'd do that, your just stating thats how it will happen, we've all seen mid carders go into tags with bigger star gets lost with them and fall back into low end of the company

One i did not state if batista would be heel against Swagger or the other way round, i only showed the possibility. That direction would be farther down the track than i booked.

The Reason i chose batista is simple, in all likely hood he is leaving the WWE, now if someone is not being used to there full potential then thats why they'll leave. So with the Batista leaving , that would be the loss of a star over under utilization over proven talent.

Batista went into a Stable with two of the biggest names in the WWE and another up and coming Randy orton , Unlike other stars who have failed to make the grade when they were given the big push to make it at the top e.g Matt Hardy, Batista took the opportunity with both hands and became a legitimate main eventer. The Animal could possible become even bigger if pushed in a similar vein to his initial push, Which could give him the edge to be a major force in either brand , Developing talent while building upon his own legacy .

Bounty Hunter

With a staggering 92% of the vote, despite a valiant effort by Danger Dave, Waltersobchek continues on to the Quaterfinal stage where he will face Campo in an all BWE bookers face-off. Congrats walter, hard luck Dave

waltersobchak

Jesus im shocked over that:eek: Thanks to Danger Dave for a great debate, cant wait for the next round..