Can I claim the dole if I quit my job?

Antorossupgrade

I am employed full time in a job I hate but thats not why I'm quittig exactly, I'm getting trained on a new career path that won't pay for a few month and is not regarded as education or an apprentaship so I won't be classed as a student. I'm working full time 11 years now. So if I quit could I claim he dole?

Thanks

Taxipete29

Antorossupgrade wrote: »

I am employed full time in a job I hate but thats not why I'm quittig exactly, I'm getting trained on a new career path that won't pay for a few month and is not regarded as education or an apprentaship so I won't be classed as a student. I'm working full time 11 years now. So if I quit could I claim he dole?

Thanks

The dole is for job seekers. My understanding of your post is that you wont be seeking or available for work the short answer is no you are not entitled to the dole.

speedboatchase

Taxipete29 wrote: »

The dole is for job seekers. My understanding of your post is that you wont be seeking or available for work the short answer is no you are not entitled to the dole.

So if you quit and are looking for a job you're entitled to job-seekers allowance?

Taxipete29

speedboatchase wrote: »

So if you quit and are looking for a job you're entitled to job-seekers allowance?

Not sure what the rules are now, but it used to be that if you quit your job you could get it after waiting for 9 weeks. Its a long time since i have had to deal with them so that could well of changed.

cson

Fail to see what this has to do with the Irish Economy.

Welfare and Benefits may be a more suitable forum.

Antorossupgrade

Taxipete29 wrote: »

The dole is for job seekers. My understanding of your post is that you wont be seeking or available for work the short answer is no you are not entitled to the dole.

haha well i could give you the names of at least 25 people I know who claim the dole for the past 2-3 years and believe me are not job seeking. And I will be seeking the job i'm training to do i just want to claim while im being trained as they wont pay me.

Antorossupgrade

cson wrote: »

Fail to see what this has to do with the Irish Economy.

Welfare and Benefits may be a more suitable forum.

im irish and its my economy im talking about

Taxipete29

Antorossupgrade wrote: »

haha well i could give you the names of at least 25 people I know who claim the dole for the past 2-3 years and believe me are not job seeking. And I will be seeking the job i'm training to do i just want to claim while im being trained as they wont pay me.

Job seekers benefit or Job seekers allowance. The clues are in the name.

You might be entitled to some other payment( doubt it but dont know for sure) but the dole does not apply to you

Dannyboy83

If you get fired or laid off, you can probably claim.

If you quit, you cannot.

The_Honeybadger

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

If you get fired or laid off, you can probably claim.

If you quit, you cannot.

I had to claim about two years ago for a short time after being made redundant, I put down redundancy as my reason for claiming, but could just as easily have quit, nobody in SW checked this out with my employer, it is open to fraud in this regard.

cson

Antorossupgrade wrote: »

im irish and its my economy im talking about

It's yours is it?

dan_d

No.
Voluntary redundancy coming up for me. I will be "exempt" from claiming for whatever allowance it is for 9 weeks.
Check the social welfare website. It's fairly clear.

gollem_1975

mickeyk wrote: »

I had to claim about two years ago for a short time after being made redundant, I put down redundancy as my reason for claiming, but could just as easily have quit, nobody in SW checked this out with my employer, it is open to fraud in this regard.

don't you have to provide the Social welfare with a p50 ?

OP probably won't be able claim immediately if he quits..if he was already unemployed and in receipt of JSB he could probably retain his benefit under the WPP scheme.

shoxter

To claim either of the benefits your employment must have been ended by your employer. You will not receive it if you voluntarily leave employment. You will also not recieve it if you were let go for reasons of indiscipline or incompetence, employment generally has to have been terminated for financial reasons.

The_Honeybadger

gollem_1975 wrote: »

don't you have to provide the Social welfare with a p50 ?

OP probably won't be able claim immediately if he quits..if he was already unemployed and in receipt of JSB he could probably retain his benefit under the WPP scheme.

Was on contract for a few years, when it ended it was not renewed due to cutbacks, I received a small redundancy payment / bonus, a sort of payoff perhaps not your typical redundancy. My point is nobody in SW checked this out. I could have been simply fed up with work and quit, they wouldn't have known the difference, so while it is all very well to tell the OP he is not entitled to JB if he quits, he could quite easily claim it anyway.

sceptre

Moved to State Benefits.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Antorossupgrade wrote: »

I am employed full time in a job I hate but thats not why I'm quittig exactly, I'm getting trained on a new career path that won't pay for a few month and is not regarded as education or an apprentaship so I won't be classed as a student. I'm working full time 11 years now. So if I quit could I claim he dole?

Thanks

The fooook?

The dole isn't there for when you decide to take a break, or because you don't want to work. It's there for those that need it. You are not entitled to it. You can upskill and still have a job, there's thousands of people doing that at the moment.

Antorossupgrade wrote: »

haha well i could give you the names of at least 25 people I know who claim the dole for the past 2-3 years and believe me are not job seeking. And I will be seeking the job i'm training to do i just want to claim while im being trained as they wont pay me.

25 people? I highly doubt it. Either way, send their names into your local welfare office if it bothers you. They are committing fraud.

Again, welfare isn't there for your benifit, for when you want a change of scene. It's there for those in dire need. Who cannot get work.

You have to be actively seeking work, which means, if you are offered a job, you must have a reason for declining it.

450,000 people out there want to be in your position, they want to have a job and you have the cheek to ask this? What a joke...

cee_jay

Antorossupgrade wrote: »

I am employed full time in a job I hate but thats not why I'm quittig exactly, I'm getting trained on a new career path that won't pay for a few month and is not regarded as education or an apprentaship so I won't be classed as a student. I'm working full time 11 years now. So if I quit could I claim he dole?

Thanks

You have to be available for and looking for full time work to claim Jobseekers Benefit/Allowance - you won't be so do not have an entitlement to claim.
Also if you quit your job of your own accord you can be disqualified from claiming for up to 9 weeks.

the_big_kahuna

I am considering quitting my job. Although I hate it, I am thinking of quitting because I am setting up my own thing.

If I quit and things fail, or don't go well, can I claim the dole then or seek assistance?

davydoc

This is in reply to the original question, the way I read it - if you're prepared to wait for 9 weeks, you can leave a job, whatever the reason is.Not saying its right or wrong , just stating a fact, below is from citizeninformation.ie...

Disqualification from Jobseeker's Allowance

You may be disqualified from getting Jobseeker's Allowance for 9 weeks if you:

• Left work voluntarily and without just cause
• Lost your job through misconduct
• Refused an offer of suitable alternative employment or suitable training.

Suitable employment does not include the employment in a job that is vacant because of a trade dispute. In addition, the employment must be suitable, having regard to your age, sex, physique, education, normal occupation, where you live, rate of pay offered and your family circumstances.

runswithascript

davydoc wrote: »

Disqualification from Jobseeker's Allowance

You may be disqualified from getting Jobseeker's Allowance for 9 weeks if you:

• Left work voluntarily and without just cause

Definitely not fully enforced and investigated.

trixie_belle12

I left my job 9 weeks ago as I was miserable in it with issues with one co-worker and what I believed to be unrealistic targets in terms of sales etc.

On following up my claim this morning I have been told that I may be disqualified indefinitely as I left voluntarily. They also checked this with my previous employers, they had a document which stated why I had left according to them which they were quite happy to show me.

I have been seeking other opportunities however nothing has come up yet. If I have any chance of gaining any assistance from Social Welfare I will have to provide them with a "broader statement on my reasons for leaving". Seems as though they are becoming more thorough on the whole..

poozers

trixie_belle12 wrote: »

I left my job 9 weeks ago as I was miserable in it with issues with one co-worker and what I believed to be unrealistic targets in terms of sales etc.

On following up my claim this morning I have been told that I may be disqualified indefinitely as I left voluntarily. They also checked this with my previous employers, they had a document which stated why I had left according to them which they were quite happy to show me.

I have been seeking other opportunities however nothing has come up yet. If I have any chance of gaining any assistance from Social Welfare I will have to provide them with a "broader statement on my reasons for leaving". Seems as though they are becoming more thorough on the whole..

I am in the exact same boat now as you were in your job!!! although i havent left yet, i am THIS close to doing it in the next week!!! I dont get along with, or trust my employers! im on my final warning for not reaching my targets even though business is totally slumping! but i AM the lowest achiever in fairness! but ive been there 5 years and was made go part time last year due to them cutting staff hours, and i am on the part time dockets! i am currently being reviewed for the year! i am absolutely miserable in there. its not the job as i love it, its the people i work for and with!! i have been looking for new jobs but nothing has come up! what can i do??? and im totally not able to navigate around welfare.ie!!!

trixie_belle12

poozers wrote: »

I am in the exact same boat now as you were in your job!!! although i havent left yet, i am THIS close to doing it in the next week!!! I dont get along with, or trust my employers! im on my final warning for not reaching my targets even though business is totally slumping! but i AM the lowest achiever in fairness! but ive been there 5 years and was made go part time last year due to them cutting staff hours, and i am on the part time dockets! i am currently being reviewed for the year! i am absolutely miserable in there. its not the job as i love it, its the people i work for and with!! i have been looking for new jobs but nothing has come up! what can i do??? and im totally not able to navigate around welfare.ie!!!

I know exactly how you must feel. It's a horrible situation for anyone to be in particularly at the moment. Are you still set on leaving? I wouldn't dream of telling anyone to leave however nor would I tell anyone to stay in those circumstances.

Have you made any queries at your SW office?

poozers

well, im actually handing in my two week notice tomorrow!!! and i cant wait!ive worked out i can manage for about 6 weeks, the longest!but i have some pull with another job, although its part time, my friend loves it there and i am in with a good chance there!!! not putting all my eggs in one basket, but fingers crossed anyway! but ive thought it over and over and over and over, dont want to ask social welfare anything just yet, until i am desperate as i want to find a job first! ive come to the obvious conclusion that i am wasting my life, unhappy and stressed and at the end of my tether!! its a risk i am taking, but that job is so not worth my stress!!!

trixie_belle12

poozers wrote: »

well, im actually handing in my two week notice tomorrow!!! and i cant wait!ive worked out i can manage for about 6 weeks, the longest!but i have some pull with another job, although its part time, my friend loves it there and i am in with a good chance there!!! not putting all my eggs in one basket, but fingers crossed anyway! but ive thought it over and over and over and over, dont want to ask social welfare anything just yet, until i am desperate as i want to find a job first! ive come to the obvious conclusion that i am wasting my life, unhappy and stressed and at the end of my tether!! its a risk i am taking, but that job is so not worth my stress!!!

How did you get on Poozers? Mine came through with somebackdating but I could have a new job soon yay!!

Fabo

trixie_belle12 wrote: »

How did you get on Poozers? Mine came through with somebackdating but I could have a new job soon yay!!

Hi Trixie,

Im in the same position. Unrealistic sales targets and constant badgering about bringing in new work. I want to try to get a better job with better pay but I am not able to attend interviews and a lot of employers wont take me on coz they need someone to start quickly.

So I am thinking of leaving my job. What are my chances of getting some sort of SW payment considering that I will be applying and attending interviews every week. (ive already got called for 5 in the last 2 weeks)

I just need something to cover petrol and food for a couple of months.

BornToRun88

I'm seriously considering quitting my job. I've been there 7 months now. First 3 months I was happy there on a part time flexi basis working 20-30 hours per week but when I went full time it went downhill. First I went into the butchers in the shop where I got bullied and harassed by the head butcher and left after 3 weeks. I was moved back onto the shop's floor staff but into the car park. Out in the cold, collecting trolleys and bits of cleaning which bores me to death. I can't help think I'm better than this and that I was put on this crappy job by the head butcher for revenge. I've asked the managers how long would I be on this job but they won't give me an answer. I even threatened to quit. Still there 3 months after I issued that threat but I'm nearing the end of my tether. My mind is at me all day on that job. Not knowing how long I'll be doing this or even if I'll ever get off this job is upsetting me deeply. I have an interview for a part time job this Wednesday, really hope I get it, especially when I have going back to college in mind so I'll need a part time job. Otherwise I'll quit my job in March when I will have done that crappy job for 6 months. Now I'd stay if they take me off the car park before that but I doubt that. 9 weeks to wait to claim jobseeker's allowance tho....jaysus!

Ryuken

Just tell them you were sacked. They don't check I've done it before, years ago during the boom times I quit a high volume call centre because I despised it. Went in and told them I got the sack. No problems.

BornToRun88

Ryuken wrote: »

Just tell them you were sacked. They don't check I've done it before, years ago during the boom times I quit a high volume call centre because I despised it. Went in and told them I got the sack. No problems.

I'll try that then. I'm really just fed up. I told the store manager my problem and he just blanked everything and didn't even listen to me and just spoke over me. He then approached me two weeks after that, did the same thing but gave out to me over being grumpy and said he could find anyone out there to do my job. I really don't know how I stayed on since, felt like writing a resignation letter that day. I really hope I get this job as I want out badly of that place and I need a part time job with a return to college in mind.

Ryuken

BornToRun88 wrote: »

I'll try that then. I'm really just fed up. I told the store manager my problem and he just blanked everything and didn't even listen to me and just spoke over me. He then approached me two weeks ago, did the same thing but gave out to me over being grumpy and said he could find anyone out there to do my job. I really don't know how I stayed on since, felt like writing a resignation letter that day. I really hope I get this job as I want out badly of that place and I need a part time job with a return to college in mind.

Return to college if you can my friend, or be doomed to doing crappy jobs like that on and off for the rest of your days. I went back to education and I have never looked back!

By the way if you've only been there for less then a year and its soul destroying and you really need to leave then a good cop out to tell the SW is that you "did not successfully pass the probation period and was let go".

eastbono

Ryuken wrote: »

Return to college if you can my friend, or be doomed to doing crappy jobs like that on and off for the rest of your days. I went back to education and I have never looked back!

By the way if you've only been there for less then a year and its soul destroying and you really need to leave then a good cop out to tell the SW is that you "did not successfully pass the probation period and was let go".

A red alert to sw stating you did not pass your probation period social welfare will issue a letter to your employer asking the reason why you left your job or why they let you go.

Ryuken

eastbono wrote: »

A red alert to sw stating you did not pass your probation period social welfare will issue a letter to your employer asking the reason why you left your job or why they let you go.

No they wont. I've done it. Job can refuse to answer anything like that anyway. A Private company can fire who they like if its within a probation period and don't have to answer to anybody for this.

eastbono

Ryuken wrote: »

No they wont. I've done it. Job can refuse to answer anything like that anyway. A Private company can fire who they like if its within a probation period and don't have to answer to anybody for this.

They can refuse to answer it but in my experience they dont.

boodee

I had to quit my job last year, in October, for health reasons and I still haven't been sorted out. I'm falling into no mans land as I can't physically work full time and I can't claim dole if i'm not available full time. So i ended up on sick certs.

If you have to leave work for whatever reason that isn't to do with your employer you really are going to have to fight and play along with the sw to get what you want. It;ll be hard but if you get the info you need i'm sure there's a loophole somewhere, this is ireland afterall.

Frankly it's disgusting because what I can get from a lot of these posts are that you(and myself) worked all our lives and supported the econony to get it to where it was, now that it's gone down the shi**er, they are still looking to us to put up and shut up regardless of how we feel in our jobs and feck all the tax we paid over the years of full emplyment.

There needs to be something in place for first time applicants to sw who have worked for more than 5- 10 years without a claim, isn't it obvious that these are the age group that have kept the taxes coming in and it's time they got something back instead of staying in sh*te soul destroying jobs with no outlook just beacuse the bubble burst for everyone else...who were probably on the dole a lot longer than us anyway.

In regards to knowing about fraud....if you are bothered enough, report them, there is even a reward i'm told. It causes me great mental stress to know of people in my village that were on the dole the whole way through the boom when there were plenty of jobs and they are so far in the ''system'' now they have everything that's available....but will i report them....no, because it's a bigger problem than anyone can change on thier own and it makes no difference to me.

As the wife of a hard working self employed man we went through hell last year when an employee got the hump and walked off...he wanted to say he was made redundant and we wouldn't sign the paperwork for the SW so he then decided to go and threaten sue us for unfair dismissal. We eventaually had to pay him off, just money he was owed and every cent of holiday/overtime etc, despite his lack of diligent work.....but the law is always in the empolyees favour, so to the poster working in the supermarket yard...take note.

And YET I'm still trying to get some help.

The country and the system seems to be set up for total abuse.....if you can't beat them.....join them.

TOTAL RANT OVER.........:D:D:D:D

boodee

eastbono wrote: »

They can refuse to answer it but in my experience they dont.

Depending on the relationship between the employer and employee, the size of the company and how much bother the employer is willing to go to.....they will answer the sw.

OP....by the time you get sorted with sw, you will probably be in another job. If not be prpared to go in and state your caswe, the more you stand up for yourself, the further you'll get.

cee_jay

Ryuken banned for a week for breach of forum charter.
BorntoRun - what he suggests doing is Social welfare fraud. please do not do this - social welfare do check with your employer to see why you left - in fact many offices are doing this now as par for the course, so you will be found out.

wmpdd3

SW send a letter to the company to fill out about why they were let go, its very detailed, goes into will there be a job there for them int he near future etc.

mikemac1

wmpdd3 wrote: »

SW send a letter to the company to fill out about why they were let go, its very detailed, goes into will there be a job there for them int he near future etc.

Suppose I worked in a place, left to go travelling, back seven or eight months later and start job seeking

You're saying SW contact the old company?
Even if you left months and months ago?

Or is there some cut-off

Thanks

LegacyUser

I left my job last year of my own accord and had my first job seekers payment within two weeks. There were no letters sent to my employer or any other "checks" done and there was no mention of the 9 week exclusion period eventhough I had clearly stated on my application that I had left my job to relocate to another county (partner got offered a new job on the opposite side of the country so we chose to move).

Also, my partner, before he was offered the new job, had left his old job stating to SW that his contract had run out and no checks were done with his previous employer either. He had his first job seekers payment within two weeks also.
Perhaps it depends on where you're applying and who's dealing with your application but for us it couldn't have been easier.

BornToRun88

cee_jay wrote: »

Ryuken banned for a week for breach of forum charter.
BorntoRun - what he suggests doing is Social welfare fraud. please do not do this - social welfare do check with your employer to see why you left - in fact many offices are doing this now as par for the course, so you will be found out.

I don't intend lying cos the Social Welfare will know from the form they get from the employer when you want to sign on.

boodee

There is a huge discrepency between sw offices and even what person you get on the day. I sometimes deal with different offices depending on what town i'm in. My friend left work voluntary last year and had no bother, I on the other hand am having a lot of trouble.

silverwex

One quick question out of curiousity - if you have to wait 9 weeks before you can claim again is that 9 weeks of back pay you get back or does payment only begin once the 9 weeks is up?

Cheers

mp22

silverwex wrote: »

One quick question out of curiousity - if you have to wait 9 weeks before you can claim again is that 9 weeks of back pay you get back or does payment only begin once the 9 weeks is up?

Cheers

Payment only begins after 9 weeks.

fluff_daddy

Im thinking of doing something similar to many on here - going to jack in the job for many reasons. It states that if you leave without 'Just Cause' what does that mean exactly..

Anyway Im going to look for a new job or investigate a different career but i dont think i could do with waiting 9 weeks for SW or worse not at all :O

Wonder could I apply for a FAS couse or would this be in any way related [I heard somewhere that you have to be on the dole for so long to apply for FAS courses]

Gareth2011

So why not try to stay in your current job untill you find a new one then you won't need to worry about not having any money in between. As for "just cause" I guess it means if you leave because you walked out, or because you weren't getting your own way etc. Also if your sacked I think you have to wait also.

Just cause would prob be you moved further away from your job and you can't afford the commute or to rent close to it. There isn't alot of good reasons to quit a job especially now a days and I think the social would take a very dim view of your situtation if the wasn't a very good one.

fluff_daddy

Cheers I think you've got it spot on there... Actually nabbed a SW officer there at lunch after he was investigating my housemate lol and he said the same

Might look into doing a FAS course then - setup a meeting and see if theres anything id be interested in..

Zdenek79

Loss of employment

You must have suffered a substantial loss of employment in any period of six consecutive days to be eligible for Jobseeker's Benefit. This means that you must have lost at least one day's employment and as a result of this loss be unemployed for at least 3 days out of 6 days. Your earnings must also have been reduced because of the loss of employment. You may be disqualified from getting Jobseeker's Benefit for 9 weeks if you:

Left work voluntarily and without a reasonable cause
Lost your job through misconduct
Refused an offer of suitable alternative employment or suitable training
Are aged under 55 and get a redundancy payment of more than €50,000. The exact length of your disqualification (up to nine weeks) will depend on the amount of redundancy payment you received - see below.

Work and Jobseeker's Benefit

To get Jobseeker's Benefit you must be unemployed or have lost at least one day's employment and as a result be unemployed for at least 3 days out of 6 days. You may continue to get Jobseeker's Benefit if you can only find part-time or casual work. More information is available about work and Jobseeker’s Benefit.

cee_jay

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