Current Ring pound for pound rankings

eagle eye

I'm not fully in agreement with these rankings. The most startling thing is the no.1. When you look at the rankings Floyd Mayweather jnr. has beaten the no.3 and the no.5 in recent times and both by a country mile. On top of that Floyd is no.1 at Welterweigt and Manny is no.2. So how is Manny no.1 then? Surely Floyd should be no.1 and Manny no.2.

Besides the top two who are deffo 1 and 2, I don't think anybody would disagree with that at the present time, there are other questions too.

Personally I'm disappointed that Timothy Bradley is not on that list, hopefully when he takes out Devon Alexander that will change. I have a big problem with Chad Dawson being on that list, he has done nothing imo to put himself on that list beating two old guys in Johnson and Tarver twice.
The middleweight division is poor at the moment imo, I can understand Paul Williams being ranked though but Sergio Martinez should not be on that list either imo.

So whats your thoughts?

Pound For Pound

All Weights

• 1. Manny Pacquiao
  
  Country: Philippines (General Santos City)
  
  Record: 51-3-2 (38 KOs)
  
  Ranking: This Week: #1 | Last Week: #1 | Weeks On List: 334
  
  Titles: WBO, The Ring
• 2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
  
  Country: USA (Las Vegas, Nevada)
  
  Record: 41-0-0 (25 KOs)
  
  Ranking: This Week: #2 | Last Week: #2 | Weeks On List: 32
• 3. Juan Manuel Marquez
  
  Country: Mexico
  
  Record: 50-5-1 (37 KOs)
  
  Ranking: This Week: #3 | Last Week: #4 | Weeks On List: 164
  
  Titles: WBA, WBO, The Ring
• 4. Nonito Donaire
  
  Country: USA (San Leandro, Calif.)
  
  Record: 23-1-0 (15 KOs)
  
  Ranking: This Week: #4 | Last Week: #5 | Weeks On List: 53
• 5. Shane Mosley
  
  Country: USA (Las Vegas, Nevada)
  
  Record: 46-6-0 (39 KOs)
  
  Ranking: This Week: #5 | Last Week: #3 | Weeks On List: 67
  
  Titles: WBA
• 6. Chad Dawson
  
  Country: USA (New Haven, Conn.)
  
  Record: 29-0-0 (17 KOs)
  
  Ranking: This Week: #6 | Last Week: #8 | Weeks On List: 26
• 7. Paul Williams
  
  Country: USA (Augusta, Ga.)
  
  Record: 38-1-0 (27 KOs)
  
  Ranking: This Week: #7 | Last Week: #9 | Weeks On List: 26
• 8. Sergio Martinez
  
  Country: Argentina
  
  Record: 44-2-2 (24 KOs)
  
  Ranking: This Week: #8 | Last Week: - | Weeks On List: 1
  
  Titles: WBC, The Ring
• 9. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
  
  Country: Thailand
  
  Record: 75-3-1 (39 KOs)
  
  Ranking: This Week: #9 | Last Week: - | Weeks On List: 1
  
  Titles: WBC, The Ring
• 10. Celestino Caballero
  
  Country: Panama
  
  Record: 34-2-0 (23 KOs)
  
  Ranking: This Week: #10 | Last Week: #10 | Weeks On List: 67
  
  Titles: WBA

mr.mayo

Yeah, I'm not to keen on their ratings either. For me, Floyd is the #1 P4P fighter in the world today but to be fair to Ring, it would look a bit dodgy dropping Manny from the #1 spot when he hasn't lost, or even come close to losing a fight in recent history. That said though, the caliber of Floyd's opponents is far superior and imo, would be enough to justify him getting the #1 spot.
Marquez at #3? I certainly don't agree with this, to be honest, Marquez mightn't even make my top 10. Mosley at #5? While it would be harsh to drop him out of the top ten purely because of his loss to arguably the greatest fighter of this generation, I do still think #5 is a bit high. In another P4P thread a month or two ago before the Mayweather fight, I only had Mosley at #10, he would proably drop out of my list
The Martinez rating is a bit dodgy too, they had Pavlik in their previous ;ist so I guess they wanted to hold face and say "Well if he can beat Kelly, he should be in the top 10" I don't necessarily agree with that though, He wouldn't be in my top ten anyway. I wouldn't have Wonjongkam in there either
Personally I don't have a problem with Dawson being there, I rate him very highly and while I agree with you that his opposition hasn't been the best, he can only beat what's put in front of him.

My List:
1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Juan Manuel Lopez
4. Nonito Donaire
5. Paul Williams
6. Chad Dawson
7. Andre Ward
8. Celestino Caballero
9. Vitali Klitschko
10. Devon Alexander/Timothy Bradley (Big Cop Out, I know)

moneyman

mr.mayo wrote: »

Yeah, I'm not to keen on their ratings either. For me, Floyd is the #1 P4P fighter in the world today but to be fair to Ring, it would look a bit dodgy dropping Manny from the #1 spot when he hasn't lost, or even come close to losing a fight in recent history. That said though, the caliber of Floyd's opponents is far superior and imo, would be enough to justify him getting the #1 spot.
Marquez at #3? I certainly don't agree with this, to be honest, Marquez mightn't even make my top 10. Mosley at #5? While it would be harsh to drop him out of the top ten purely because of his loss to arguably the greatest fighter of this generation, I do still think #5 is a bit high. In another P4P thread a month or two ago before the Mayweather fight, I only had Mosley at #10, he would proably drop out of my list
The Martinez rating is a bit dodgy too, they had Pavlik in their previous ;ist so I guess they wanted to hold face and say "Well if he can beat Kelly, he should be in the top 10" I don't necessarily agree with that though, He wouldn't be in my top ten anyway. I wouldn't have Wonjongkam in there either
Personally I don't have a problem with Dawson being there, I rate him very highly and while I agree with you that his opposition hasn't been the best, he can only beat what's put in front of him.

My List:
1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Juan Manuel Lopez
4. Nonito Donaire
5. Paul Williams
6. Chad Dawson
7. Andre Ward
8. Celestino Caballero
9. Vitali Klitschko
10. Devon Alexander/Timothy Bradley (Big Cop Out, I know)

That is utter bull. I fully understand that people may want Floyd no.1, and it would be fair in my eyes also, but Floyd has not fought better opponents than Pacquiao. Anyone that thinks he has is, quite frankly, a biased fool! I mean, open your eyes for Christs sake! To say that they're "far superior" is just laughable.

cowzerp

Williams in my opinion should be higher up the list, he beats all comers in 3 weight divisions and is willing to fight anyone, if anyone is to beat Mayweather its that man, My list would have as top 4

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Vitali Klitcshko
4. Paul Williams
5. Wladimir Klitcshko

joepenguin

Floyd has been a welter for years now and has even proved himself at 154. So his win over Marquez doesnt count for much. JMM wasnt even big at lightweight and could have made super feather. Imagine if Bernard Dunne had moved to featherweight but atill oculd have made super bantam. Then JMM calls him out at 133 but he himself weighs in at 135 on the day, cause that is what the equivalent of Mayweather-Marquez in September. Mosely was 38 so hard to give the p4p #1 for a win over an inactive 38 year old. At the same time you could argue that floyd id the number one welterweight cause cotto beat shane, margo beat cotto, shane beat margo, floyd beat shane. Plus he is the last linear champ so you can make a strong argument at the weight.
The ring ratings can be a bit dodgy at times but a good guideline for the most part.

Kaizer Sosa

I personally would consider Donaire to be the most unusual inclusion. Really good fighter but I don't see him anywhere near number 4 on pound for pound lists. Klitschkos must be wondering what they have to do to get on it!

mr.mayo

moneyman wrote: »

That is utter bull. I fully understand that people may want Floyd no.1, and it would be fair in my eyes also, but Floyd has not fought better opponents than Pacquiao. Anyone that thinks he has is, quite frankly, a biased fool! I mean, open your eyes for Christs sake! To say that they're "far superior" is just laughable.

Ouch! What can I say to that?
Well let's look at their last 4 opponents and compare them shall we
Mayweather: De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez, Mosley
Pacquiao: De la Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey

The Oscar De La Hoya Floyd Mayweather fought wasn't a prime DLH by any means, but it was definitely a lot closer to that than the version Manny fought. Floyd moved up to 154 to fight Oscar, Oscar was still widely considered as one of the best fighters around and it was a very close fight but ultimately Floyd edged out the victory
When Manny fought Oscar, he was almost two years older and well past his prime On top of that, he was drained down to 147 and that obviously took its toll on Oscar. Manny beat him from pillar to post and that beating convinced Oscar to hang up the gloves.
Manny certainly had the more impressive performance, but it's fair to say that Floyd fought a much better DLH than he did.

Hatton: Floyd took on an undefeated Ricky Hatton, he schooled him right from the off, completely outclassing him and ultimately the fight was stopped late on because Hatton couldn't continue.
Manny took on a weaker version of Hatton, he obviously wasn't the same after the Floyd defeat and Manny exploited him big time. He shook him in the first, before landing the KO in the second. Another impressive performance but again, it's fair to say Floyd fought a stronger Ricky Hatton than Manny did

Mayweather then returned after a 21 month absence to take on one of the top P4P fighters in the world - Marquez, the same guy who had almost beaten Manny on more than two occasions. Okay, Marquez had to move up in weight for the fight, and Floyd actually came in over the limit, but it was still a very impressive performance. It wasn't the toughest fight out there, but after a 21 month break, nobody was expecting Floyd to fight somebody like Manny straight away.
Manny's next fight was against Cotto, a fantastic fighter no doubt, but you can't honestly say that was a prime Cotto can you? The defeat to Margarito had obviously taken its toll, it was still a great victory, don't get me wrong but it would have meant more if he had beaten Cotto pre Margarito imo

Mayweather's last fight was against the #3 P4P fighter in the world Shane Mosley. Mosley was universally recognised as the toughest opponent out there after talks over a fight with Manny fell through. Anywho, we all saw the fight. Mayweather was simply outstanding, he changed his style and still managed to dominate right from the off. Superb performance
Manny's last fight was against a Punching Bag named Joshua Clottey. Clottey is a decent fighter but ffs he didn't even try in this one, he just stood there while Manny hit him time and time again. I think it's fair to say that Floyd fought a much tougher opponent than Manny did here

So on my counting, from their last 4 fights, 3 of Floyd's opponents were far superior to those of Manny: May 07 Oscar > December 08 Oscar, December 07 Hatton > May 09 Hatton, and Mosley > Clottey. I will admit that Cotto was a tougher fight than Marquez, but we all know that wasn't a prime Miguel Cotto.
I don't know, maybe my opinion is "laughable", but I think when it's laid out like that, to say Mayweather's opponents have been superior to Manny's isn't outrageous at all

Benny Lava

Floyd is #1.

cowzerp

mr.mayo wrote: »

to say Mayweather's opponents have been superior to Manny's isn't outrageous at all

I agree with you on your assesment of the 4 opponents, Floyd fought the tougher fights but not by a huge amount, Mosley is the real deal and i dont think age was an issue at all, he was simply in with a better fighter, Hatton was finished by PBF and De la hoya was younger and not weight drained in the fight unlike when he was a shell of himself fighting pacman.

clottey was there to survive, but in fairness the marquez fight was an easy comeback for PBF and presented no danger at all..

Cotto was a tough enough fight in fairness and manny fought great that night..

wireless101

cowzerp wrote: »

Williams in my opinion should be higher up the list, he beats all comers in 3 weight divisions and is willing to fight anyone, if anyone is to beat Mayweather its that man, My list would have as top 4

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Vitali Klitcshko
4. Paul Williams
5. Wladimir Klitcshko

Vitali ahead of Wlad? i would have him maybe 9/10. Failed to put away a pathetic Kevin Johnson, lost a lot of speed. Don't get me wrong, Im a fan, but no way hes a P4P no. 3. Not the man he once was.

cowzerp

wireless101 wrote: »

Vitali ahead of Wlad? i would have him maybe 9/10. Failed to put away a pathetic Kevin Johnson, lost a lot of speed. Don't get me wrong, Im a fan, but no way hes a P4P no. 3. Not the man he once was.

Vitali is far better than Wlad and he is basically unbeatable in the division, if he was that dominant in any other division he would be no 1 in the list, the heavyweight division is just not "cool" anymore!!

wireless101

cowzerp wrote: »

Vitali is far better than Wlad and he is basically unbeatable in the division, if he was that dominant in any other division he would be no 1 in the list, the heavyweight division is just not "cool" anymore!!

wlad would beat him IMO. The heavyweight division isnt cool anymore, but that doesnt mean the boxers are getting underrated. The fact is, Vitali has only beaten bums since he has come back. You get on P4P lists by beating quality. Kevin Johnson isn't quality.

3hn2givr7mx1sc

cowzerp wrote: »

Vitali is far better than Wlad and he is basically unbeatable in the division, if he was that dominant in any other division he would be no 1 in the list, the heavyweight division is just not "cool" anymore!!

It'd be well cool if Haye was Unified Champ.:cool:

corny

mr.mayo wrote: »

Manny took on a weaker version of Hatton, he obviously wasn't the same after the Floyd defeat and Manny exploited him big time. He shook him in the first, before landing the KO in the second. Another impressive performance but again, it's fair to say Floyd fought a stronger Ricky Hatton than Manny did

That is nonsense. Why is fair to say that? You mistakenly assume Hatton wasn't at his best because he was beaten early. He was beaten because Manny drilled him with hard fast counter punching. Hatton approached the fight like he always does. The difference was Manny.

Hatton was also fighting at his preferred junior welterweight (he was previously undefeated at LWW) against Manny. Against Floyd the fight was at welterweight. He's a much better LWW.

6 months before the Manny fight Hatton also destroyed Paulie Malignaggi at LWW, showing no ill effects whatsoever from the Mayweather fight.

Everything would point to Manny fighting the more comfortable, experienced Ricky Hatton. He just dealt with him more effectively.

wireless101

corny wrote: »

That is nonsense. Why is fair to say that? You mistakenly assume Hatton wasn't at his best because he was beaten early. He was beaten because Manny drilled him with hard fast counter punching. Hatton approached the fight like he always does. The difference was Manny.

Hatton was also fighting at his preferred junior welterweight (he was previously undefeated at LWW) against Manny. Against Floyd the fight was at welterweight. He's a much better LWW.

6 months before the Manny fight Hatton also destroyed Paulie Malignaggi at LWW, showing no ill effects whatsoever from the Mayweather fight.

Everything would point to Manny fighting the more comfortable, experienced Ricky Hatton. He just dealt with him more effectively.

Feather fisted malignaggi with 5 kos in his whole career was hardly going to trouble him.

That said, i love pacquaio, but mayweather has the better resume, and i have him at no. 1 because of this.

3hn2givr7mx1sc

corny wrote: »

That is nonsense. Why is fair to say that? You mistakenly assume Hatton wasn't at his best because he was beaten early. He was beaten because Manny drilled him with hard fast counter punching. Hatton approached the fight like he always does. The difference was Manny.

Hatton was also fighting at his preferred junior welterweight (he was previously undefeated at LWW) against Manny. Against Floyd the fight was at welterweight. He's a much better LWW.

6 months before the Manny fight Hatton also destroyed Paulie Malignaggi at LWW, showing no ill effects whatsoever from the Mayweather fight.

Everything would point to Manny fighting the more comfortable, experienced Ricky Hatton. He just dealt with him more effectively.

mr mayo's post wasn't nonsense, what is nonsense is you mentioning Malignaggi and Pacquiao in the same sentence. Malignaggi wouldn't bayte snow off a rope, everyone knows that, tbf. I don't think Hatton was right in the head after his loss to PBF, not in that he has brain damage but like he just seemed to lose a bit of passion after being beaten and totally outclassed. Pac and Hatton have similar styles, they don't counter, they just tear in from the off, Pacquiao was always going to win a fight like that, unless Hatton got a lucky box.

corny

wireless101 wrote: »

Feather fisted malignaggi with 5 kos in his whole career was hardly going to trouble him.

That said, i love pacquaio, but mayweather has the better resume, and i have him at no. 1 because of this.

I'm well aware of malignaggi the fighter.

What i'm saying is at the time Hatton had lost none of the verve he had before the Mayweather fight. New trainer in tow we were told he'd learned from the defeat and now he'd added a new found boxing ability to CV. It was onwards on upwards. The manner in which he dealt with malignaggi would have given credence to this idea and filled Hatton with the confidence he needed going into the Pacquaio fight.

End result i don't see how anyone can say definitively "its fair to say" Hatton (V Mayweather) was a superior fighter to Hatton (V Pacquaio).

corny

baz2009 wrote: »

mr mayo's post wasn't nonsense, what is nonsense is you mentioning Malignaggi and Pacquiao in the same sentence. Malignaggi wouldn't bayte snow off a rope, everyone knows that, tbf. I don't think Hatton was right in the head after his loss to PBF, not in that he has brain damage but like he just seemed to lose a bit of passion after being beaten and totally outclassed. Pac and Hatton have similar styles, they don't counter, they just tear in from the off, Pacquiao was always going to win a fight like that, unless Hatton got a lucky box.

Prove that?

And BTW i made no direct comparison, or even an indirect comparison, between Manny and malignaggi so "what is nonsense is you mentioning Malignaggi and Pacquiao in the same sentence." is total f***in nonsense.

eagle eye

My reasoning for believing that Mayweather should be no.1 is quite simple.

He beat the no.3 and the no.5 on that list. Manny has only beaten one of them ergo Pretty Boy no.1, Manny no.2.

colly10

mr.mayo wrote: »

That said though, the caliber of Floyd's opponents is far superior and imo, would be enough to justify him getting the #1 spot.

I agree with a good bit of what you say about the list but think your miles off the mark here. Also remember that Manny is not a natural WW and has moved up to take on all these fighters. Floyd is naturally bigger than Manny, the fact that Manny is doing so well against these bigger fighters when entering the ring nearly the same weight he weighs in at is a testament to how good he is. Floyd should beat Manny but I would give Floyd #1 if he does.
Your also taking about the caliber of Manny's first 4 opponents when he moved up, he's hardly going to be looking to fight someone like Williams just after he moved up, the fact he had just moved up makes these fighters more of a challange.

mr.mayo wrote: »

The Oscar De La Hoya Floyd Mayweather fought wasn't a prime DLH by any means, but it was definitely a lot closer to that than the version Manny fought ....
Manny certainly had the more impressive performance, but it's fair to say that Floyd fought a much better DLH than he did.

Yes De La Hoya was shot when he fought Manny and Manny totally destroyed him. De La Hoya gave Mayweather a good fight. Nothing can be judged between the 2 in this fight as they fought a completely different version, if Mayweather destroyed De La Hoya i'd see your point. I also don't remember everyone calling De La Hoya shot before he entered the ring against Manny, it was a surprise to most.

mr.mayo wrote: »

Hatton: Floyd took on an undefeated Ricky Hatton, he schooled him right from the off, completely outclassing him and ultimately the fight was stopped late on because Hatton couldn't continue.
Manny took on a weaker version of Hatton, he obviously wasn't the same after the Floyd defeat and Manny exploited him big time. He shook him in the first, before landing the KO in the second. Another impressive performance but again, it's fair to say Floyd fought a stronger Ricky Hatton than Manny did

Floyd fought a stronger version, how much stronger is hard to say, Floyd did outclass Hatton but Manny completely destroyed him (badly enough that Hatton decided to join De La Hoya in retirement). I personally don't think Floyd could leave that version of Hatton out cold inside 2 rounds

mr.mayo wrote: »

Mayweather then returned after a 21 month absence to take on one of the top P4P fighters in the world - Marquez, the same guy who had almost beaten Manny on more than two occasions.

Your assuming that Marquez could do similar to Manny at his first fight at WW. This to me was a complete joke of a fight, embarrassing actually. Marquez had to move up 10 lbs and Floyd only had to drop 2, Floyd didn't even go to the bother of dropping the 2 to make it even more of a farce. I watch all floyds fights but didn't bother with this one. P4P #3 or not, I don't know how you could class Marquez as a reasonable opponent especially when Floyd didn't have to loose a single pound to fight him, he could have took Mosley at the time or anyone who actually fights at WW, fighting a lightweight and not even dropping a few pounds is no more than a sparring session

mr.mayo wrote: »

Mayweather's last fight was against the #3 P4P fighter in the world Shane Mosley. Mosley was universally recognised as the toughest opponent out there after talks over a fight with Manny fell through. Anywho, we all saw the fight. Mayweather was simply outstanding, he changed his style and still managed to dominate right from the off. Superb performance
Manny's last fight was against a Punching Bag named Joshua Clottey. Clottey is a decent fighter but ffs he didn't even try in this one, he just stood there while Manny hit him time and time again. I think it's fair to say that Floyd fought a much tougher opponent than Manny did here

I respect Floyds choice of Mosley, noone knew how Mosley would be going in to it, Mosley still has a great chin and could KO floyd if he could land (and he wasn't far off in the second). Mosley looked like he aged though, he was breating heavy in the corner early on, that in itself does not take away from Floyd as he chose a dangerous opponent where there was a risk and it was his skill that won out.
I would not call Clottey a punch bag, he is a cautious fighter and Manny's speed and workrate caused him to keep the hands high, he did try but he knew he'd leave himself too open if he started letting the hands go against manny. I could say the same thing about Mosley, where was the heart of the warrior why didn't he fly in and let the shots go, he normally throws way more. The reason that Mosley didn't fly in is that he knows Mayweather would have destroyed him if he did, in the same way Clottey didn't fly in cause he knows Manny would destroy him if he did.
The accusation could be aimed more at Mosley cause Mosley is a fighter at heart where as Clottey is a defensive fighter at heart, I know though that the reason that neither Mosley or Clottey didn't do what they wanted is that they weren't allowed to. I can let combinations fly against good boxers but won't let them go against much worse, its all down to the guy your fighting and what his style allows you to do

megadodge

Getting back to the original topic, people forget it's a pound for pound list, not a who-beats-who if they fought as they are.

Vitali Klitchko would beat all ten on that list, simply because he's bigger, but p4p ???

Manny Pacquiao is a former FLYWEIGHT world champ, who's now fighting way above his natural weight, simply because he keeps beating everyone put in front of him and the next challenge is the bigger guys.

I really think people forget how small Pacquiao naturally is. I honestly think he'd make superfeather no problem whatsoever, yet he's hammering big welterweights.

So, at welterweight Mayweather being ranked over Pacman makes sense (I think Floyd will win if they fight), but as I've already said, it's a case of bigger fighter beating a smaller one, hence the pound for pound rating being different.

walshb

Floyd has beaten the number 3 and 5, but did you see who they were?

**** me, I respect JMM, but the guy has nothing much to offer at this
stage and it was a complete mismatch between him and Floyd.

Does anyone believe that JMM would beat Kahn? I don't....
So, Floyd beating JMM does nothing for me.

Mosley is past it, and has been for many years now. I am convinced that
at 140-147 lbs Manny would beat both these on the same night in brutal
fashion.

Pac's hammering of Cotto and Clottey and Hatton is far more
impressive than Floyd beating/dominating JMM and Mosley.

Yuri Gamboa and JML should be considered here. I think both beat Caballero and
both are better all around fighters

cowzerp

megadodge wrote: »

Vitali Klitchko would beat all ten on that list, simply because he's bigger, but p4p ???

My logic is simple, Vitali is unstoppable in the Heavyweight division-no 1 even comes close to him unlike other fighters in the list, he actually could not do any better, why should he be left out for been too good?!

If he was American he would be considered no, 1 this i have no doubt.

walshb

This is the trouble with this mythical p4p exercise; it is completely flawed.

Heavyweights always seem to get penalised. Well, to me, the heavyweight champ is THE man in the world of boxing, and Vitali deserves his praise.

We can speculate all we want about IF Floyd or Manny were bigger would they beat
the big men? Well, the fact is that if they met now, they get crushed. That is all we know
for almost certainty.

Example: Nobody is going to try to convince me that in 1986 and 1987 that
Mike Tyson was not the best fighter on earth, p4p or whatever label
you wanna' put on it. Better than Hagler, Leonard, Hearns, Nelson, Whitaker,
McCallum, Holyfield et al. He was THE man, they were simply great fighters in their divisions.

Same in 1964-1967-1970-1974......One man was THE man, and that was Ali; not Monzon, Duran,
Napoles, Jofre or any other great non heavyweight

megadodge

Sorry Paul, I just used Vitali as the first name that came into my head of a much bigger man than Floyd or Pacquiao.

I don't disagree with you at all especially about not being American!

phily2002

Quote:
Pound For Pound

All Weights



1. Manny Pacquiao

Country: Philippines (General Santos City)

Record: 51-3-2 (38 KOs)

Ranking: This Week: #1 | Last Week: #1 | Weeks On List: 334

Titles: WBO, The Ring
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Country: USA (Las Vegas, Nevada)

Record: 41-0-0 (25 KOs)

Ranking: This Week: #2 | Last Week: #2 | Weeks On List: 32
3. Juan Manuel Marquez

Country: Mexico

Record: 50-5-1 (37 KOs)

Ranking: This Week: #3 | Last Week: #4 | Weeks On List: 164

Titles: WBA, WBO, The Ring
4. Nonito Donaire

Country: USA (San Leandro, Calif.)

Record: 23-1-0 (15 KOs)

Ranking: This Week: #4 | Last Week: #5 | Weeks On List: 53
5. Shane Mosley

Country: USA (Las Vegas, Nevada)

Record: 46-6-0 (39 KOs)

Ranking: This Week: #5 | Last Week: #3 | Weeks On List: 67

Titles: WBA
6. Chad Dawson

Country: USA (New Haven, Conn.)

Record: 29-0-0 (17 KOs)

Ranking: This Week: #6 | Last Week: #8 | Weeks On List: 26
7. Paul Williams

Country: USA (Augusta, Ga.)

Record: 38-1-0 (27 KOs)

Ranking: This Week: #7 | Last Week: #9 | Weeks On List: 26
8. Sergio Martinez

Country: Argentina

Record: 44-2-2 (24 KOs)

Ranking: This Week: #8 | Last Week: - | Weeks On List: 1

Titles: WBC, The Ring
9. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam

Country: Thailand

Record: 75-3-1 (39 KOs)

Ranking: This Week: #9 | Last Week: - | Weeks On List: 1

Titles: WBC, The Ring
10. Celestino Caballero

Country: Panama

Record: 34-2-0 (23 KOs)

Ranking: This Week: #10 | Last Week: #10 | Weeks On List: 67

Titles: WBA



Donaire should be nowhere near the top 10, one good win against Vic then fights nobodys and wouldn't even sign for a rematch with Vic... then look at Bradley who since beating Witter has fought Cherry, Holt, Cambell, Peterson and signed to fight Maidana...
Mosley was good against Margarito but the fight before Mayorga was outboxing him and we saw what happened against PBF, imo he shouldn't be top 10 either.
I'd also take Wonjongkam out of there.

mr.mayo

corny wrote: »

That is nonsense. Why is fair to say that? You mistakenly assume Hatton wasn't at his best because he was beaten early. He was beaten because Manny drilled him with hard fast counter punching. Hatton approached the fight like he always does. The difference was Manny.
Hatton was also fighting at his preferred junior welterweight (he was previously undefeated at LWW) against Manny. Against Floyd the fight was at welterweight. He's a much better LWW.
6 months before the Manny fight Hatton also destroyed Paulie Malignaggi at LWW, showing no ill effects whatsoever from the Mayweather fight.
Everything would point to Manny fighting the more comfortable, experienced Ricky Hatton. He just dealt with him more effectively.

Sorry but I have to disagree. Floyd took on an undefeated Ricky Hatton who was well up there in all the P4P lists. The Hatton Pacquiao fought was a completely different fighter.
Hatton's first fight after his loss to Floyd was against a 33 year old Juan Lazcano. Even in his prime, Lazcano wasn't anything close to a top level fighter, but that didn't stop him giving Hatton one hell of a fight. He certainly gave as good as he got, he stunned Hatton on numerous occasions. Here's an article from the Daily Mail about the fight, just look at the pictures of Hatton- He was a complete mess, this remember was after a fight with a 33 year old journeyman. It was pretty obvious that his defense wasn't up to scratch and neither was his punch resistance. Knowing this, his handlers then made an intelligent call by picking Paulie Malignaggi as his next opponent. Paulie isn't a bad boxer by any means, but we all know he has absolutely no power and would never have been able to test Hatton's now suspect chin. Paulie was also having well documented problems at the time, there were numerous disagreements during camp with his trainer, who he actually fired straight after the fight. Basically, Hatton fought the right guy at the right time. After almost being embarrassed by Lazcano, he was now the public's darling once again. Manny was white hot at the time, everybody was high on him after his emphatic victory over DLH. There was huge money to be made from a Hatton - Pacquiao fight so they decided to go for it. Hatton was made for Pacquiao, he wasn't as quick as he once was, his defense was dodgy, and so was his chin. Pacquiao almost murdered him that night, rocking him with numerous shots in the first, before finishing him off in the second.
For me anyway, the Ricky Hatton we all knew and loved, was finished after the beating he took from Mayweather

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mr.mayo wrote: »

Sorry but I have to disagree. Floyd took on an undefeated Ricky Hatton who was well up there in all the P4P lists. The Hatton Pacquiao fought was a completely different fighter.
Hatton's first fight after his loss to Floyd was against a 33 year old Juan Lazcano. Even in his prime, Lazcano wasn't anything close to a top level fighter, but that didn't stop him giving Hatton one hell of a fight. He certainly gave as good as he got, he stunned Hatton on numerous occasions. Here's an article from the Daily Mail about the fight, just look at the pictures of Hatton- He was a complete mess, this remember was after a fight with a 33 year old journeyman. It was pretty obvious that his defense wasn't up to scratch and neither was his punch resistance. Knowing this, his handlers then made an intelligent call by picking Paulie Malignaggi as his next opponent. Paulie isn't a bad boxer by any means, but we all know he has absolutely no power and would never have been able to test Hatton's now suspect chin. Paulie was also having well documented problems at the time, there were numerous disagreements during camp with his trainer, who he actually fired straight after the fight. Basically, Hatton fought the right guy at the right time. After almost being embarrassed by Lazcano, he was now the public's darling once again. Manny was white hot at the time, everybody was high on him after his emphatic victory over DLH. There was huge money to be made from a Hatton - Pacquiao fight so they decided to go for it. Hatton was made for Pacquiao, he wasn't as quick as he once was, his defense was dodgy, and so was his chin. Pacquiao almost murdered him that night, rocking him with numerous shots in the first, before finishing him off in the second.
For me anyway, the Ricky Hatton we all knew and loved, was finished after the beating he took from Mayweather

Fair point. But Hatton's always been that sort of fighter. He comes forward and gets caught but he keeps coming forward. Despite Lazcano catching him a few times he won the fight convincingly on the score cards. For me THATS vintage Ricky Hatton. His greatest achievement (beating Kostya Tszyu) was done in the same manner. He didn't change. The big difference with Floyd and Pacquiao is you can't get away with that. You can talk about walking through punches and all that but doing it is a different story. They're gonna make you look foolish if you have deficiencies in your game and Hattons' always had them.

I'll stick to it anyway. Hatton didn't deteriorate overnight before our eyes. Especially since he'd just turned 30 for the Pacquiao fight (hardly past it). The difference with that fight was no matter what stage in his career he fought Pacquiao that was always liable to happen. Walking forward, placing zero emphasis on defending yourself against a fast, hard puncher who's accurate and not afraid to throw is a recipe for disaster and so it proved. Mayweather being a bit more cautious is the only difference in the fights for me. Hatton was the same old Hatton for both fights.

James Ford

megadodge wrote: »

Getting back to the original topic, people forget it's a pound for pound list, not a who-beats-who if they fought as they are.

Vitali Klitchko would beat all ten on that list, simply because he's bigger, but p4p ???

Manny Pacquiao is a former FLYWEIGHT world champ, who's now fighting way above his natural weight, simply because he keeps beating everyone put in front of him and the next challenge is the bigger guys.

I really think people forget how small Pacquiao naturally is. I honestly think he'd make superfeather no problem whatsoever, yet he's hammering big welterweights.

So, at welterweight Mayweather being ranked over Pacman makes sense (I think Floyd will win if they fight), but as I've already said, it's a case of bigger fighter beating a smaller one, hence the pound for pound rating being different.

At least one person on here understands the concept of the P4P rankings.

People dismissing Marquez because Floyd schooled him two full divisions higher than his natural weight is laughable. Marquez is a great fighter, and deserving of a top three spot. The reason he gave Manny hell was because they were both fighting at their natural weight at the time (both times).

Mayweather, campaigning as a welterweight, REFUSED to fight the best fighters at that weight. Sharmba Mitchell, Baldomir, who are they? He fights a limited Ricky Hatton, out of his best weight, then retires, refusing to go near Cotto, Margarito, Williams, Mosley.

My frustration with Mayweather is that he probably would have beaten all these fighters (Williams at welterweight might give him trouble, being a southpaw). We know that now after he annihilated Shane Mosley. So why didn't he just do it, and prove beyond all doubt that he's the best?

Instead, you have Pacquiao, who has Barrera, Morales, Marquez, De La Hoya, Hatton and Cotto on his resumé. The guys Manny has beaten, taking into account the weight, how good the opponents were at the time, the fact that Manny was coming up in weight for a lot of those fights, and hadn't much experience at those weights, are better than the guys Floyd has beaten, taking the relevant situations into account for him.