Astec 63D & GSM Dialler

boxeyes

I have no land line (UPC cable and phone) and I would like to install a GSM dialler. I have a Astec 63D
can someone tell me where to take the best input for the relay to the dialler.
Can I take the 12V fron the internal alarm or what ???

The input can be either normally open or closed, or do I even need a 12V relay.

Any help appreciated !

fred funk }{

You wont get 12VDC from the internal. You will need to get an Astec relay card, this will give you your open closed.
You know you can connect your voice dialler to a UPC modem?

KoolKid

It would be easier and cheaper to replace the 63D with a 63DV and connect to your UPC modem if you want to self monitor.

altor

boxeyes wrote: »

I have no land line (UPC cable and phone) and I would like to install a GSM dialler. I have a Astec 63D
can someone tell me where to take the best input for the relay to the dialler.
Can I take the 12V fron the internal alarm or what ???

The input can be either normally open or closed, or do I even need a 12V relay.

Any help appreciated !

Hi boxeyes,

What type of GSM are you putting on to the 63D ?
If it needs an trigger off the external bell you could install a SAB conversion kit S:22 to the alarm.

boxeyes

I'm using a GSM dialler I bought it from http://www.sim-entry.com/

Is it also possible that this GSM can dial a monitoring station or is there any type of protocal?

One other point someone said that I could my UPC modem, can someone tell me how this works.

Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions

Brendan

altor

boxeyes wrote: »

I'm using a GSM dialler I bought it from http://www.sim-entry.com/

Is it also possible that this GSM can dial a monitoring station or is there any type of protocal?

One other point someone said that I could my UPC modem, can someone tell me how this works.

Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions

Brendan

Hi Brendan,

I have not used this GSM. From reading the installer guide you need to connect it to the external bell if you want to self monitor the alarm. There is no way to connect it to the dialer on the astec alarm. The protocol is set up in the alarm panel not the GSM unit. If you wanted your 63D monitored you could get an astec GSM and connect that to the alarm for the monitoring to a monitoring station.

With regard connecting to the UPC modem it can be done by connecting into the back of the unit. I would not advise anyone to monitor there alarm this way as if the power is off so is your modem.

boxeyes

Hi Altor

First, thanks for answer !

My question is why can't I take 12V from the internal bell for the 12V relay, why do I have to take the external bell ?

regards Brendan

altor

boxeyes wrote: »

Hi Altor

First, thanks for answer !

Your welcome.

boxeyes wrote: »

My question is why can't I take 12V from the internal bell for the 12V relay, why do I have to take the external bell ?

The reason you would use the external bell is if you have a entry fault then the dialer wont ring out unless the full alarm was activated.

boxeyes

Hi Alter

Thanks for your patience with my silly questions,
however I assumed that the internal or external 12V would be the same,
am I right to assume that !

again thanks
Brendan

altor

boxeyes wrote: »

Hi Alter

Thanks for your patience with my silly questions,
however I assumed that the internal or external 12V would be the same,
am I right to assume that !

again thanks
Brendan

Always happy to help. If you need an external bell trigger for the alarm i would install a SAB conversion kit S:22 to the alarm and connect it to the external bell.

The two are different. If you have an exit fault on the alarm the internal bell will ring first, then after a set time the external bell will ring. This is to allow you to deactivate the alarm if it activates by mistake. If you connect to the internal bell the dialer will ring you regardless of the situation.

boxeyes

Hi Alter

I connected the 12V relay to the external bell. but the relay keeps chattering when the alarm is activated, am I doing something wrong?

Thanks in advance
Brendan

KoolKid

You will not get 12vdc trigger from an Astec SAB. You need to use a relay card or SAB conversion unit.

altor

boxeyes wrote: »

Hi Alter

I connected the 12V relay to the external bell. but the relay keeps chattering when the alarm is activated, am I doing something wrong?

Thanks in advance
Brendan

Hi Brendan,

If you just connected it on to the sounder bus on the panel this is where you are going wrong. If you need an external bell trigger for the alarm you will need to install a SAB conversion kit S:22 to the alarm and connect to the external bell of this unit.

boxeyes

Hi Alter

Maybe now I'm making some progress where can I purchase a SAB conversion kit S:22 ?

again thanks for the advise

Brendan

altor

boxeyes wrote: »

Hi Alter

Maybe now I'm making some progress where can I purchase a SAB conversion kit S:22 ?

again thanks for the advise

Brendan

Astec sell them, they are on Pearse Street, Dublin 2. 016704202.

KoolKid

You can get them direct from Astec. They are in the IDA centre Pearse Street.Tell me your location and Ill post up some more options.

boxeyes

Hi I'm in Malahide Co Dublin

Thanks Brendan

KoolKid

I don't know anyone nearer to you that stocks Astec. I have an old one lying around if you want it.

fred funk }{

REW are in Finglas, they stock Astec equipment.


REW
Unit 17 / 18,
Finglas Business Centre,
Jamestown Road,
Dublin 11

Tel:01 858 0960
Fax:01 8569830
Email: sales@rew.ie

altor

boxeyes wrote: »

Hi I'm in Malahide Co Dublin

Thanks Brendan

If you ring Astec and pay over the phone they will post it out to you. You should get it the next day but as fred funk said REW is the closes supplier of Astec to you if you need to get it straight away.

boxeyes

Hi Guys

I have a SAB conversion kit S:22 , I need an engineer to install it for me, I have programed the GSM dialler and it works OK, I only need the SAB conversion kit S:22 installed.

Thanks in advance

Brendan

altor

boxeyes wrote: »

Hi Guys

I have a SAB conversion kit S:22 , I need an engineer to install it for me, I have programed the GSM dialler and it works OK, I only need the SAB conversion kit S:22 installed.

Thanks in advance

Brendan

Hi Brendan,

If you have the engineer code off the alarm it is very simple to install on the alarm. Just connect to the sounder bus, change the ID to 2, enter command 73, press set when the cards id is showing and set is flashing. The output for the external bell 1 - 2 + on the converter.

Any problems let us know..

MICHAELO_4921

I have a astec 63DV alarm system connected to my phone line and im looking to change it over to a GSM dailer. Do anybody know the cost of this unit and recommend someone to install it. I'm in the Dublin 15 area.

Thanks,
Michael

altor

MICHAELO_4921 wrote: »

I have a astec 63DV alarm system connected to my phone line and im looking to change it over to a GSM dailer. Do anybody know the cost of this unit and recommend someone to install it. I'm in the Dublin 15 area.

Thanks,
Michael

Hi Michael,

They are expensive, if you ring astec, they are on Pearse Street, Dublin 2. 016704202 they will give you a price. It is only a mater of connecting the GSM to the alarm as it is programmed already if you just loosing your phone line. Very easy to install if this is the case. If not it is easy to program the astec alarm. If you need any help doing it just post any question here..

KoolKid

Expect to pay €300-€400 for Astec D2M. I wouldn't be recommending GSM for any form of monitoring. Its not saving you money and its not secure.

MICHAELO_4921

koolkid wrote: »

Expect to pay €300-€400 for Astec D2M. I wouldn't be recommending GSM for any form of monitoring. Its not saving you money and its not secure.

Thanks Altor & Koolkid for the information. The only reason I still have the landline is that it is conected to the alarm system. Koolkid if you wouldn't recommend GSM is there any other option with this alarm system to have a dailer in it.

Michael

KoolKid

There is no cost effective solution. If you want a secure option radio is your best bet.

altor

MICHAELO_4921 wrote: »

Thanks Altor & Koolkid for the information. The only reason I still have the landline is that it is conected to the alarm system. Koolkid if you wouldn't recommend GSM is there any other option with this alarm system to have a dailer in it.

Michael

Your welcome,

The best solution is a well protected phone line.

delly

Thread moved to the new Home security systems forum

henryporter

I was reading somewhere on here recently that GSM diallers are already outmoded (or soon to be), whats the latest thinking?

KoolKid

Without going into too much detail, they are not as secure as they used to be.
We will no longer connect them to our monitoring station & we would be recommending radio as the most secure form of monitoring. After that a secure phone line with the external junction box tampered & alarmed. For a home owner just looking for text or voice notification they are fine as long as you understand their limitations.

henryporter

My problem is that I have an unsecured overhead telephone line, and live in an area where mobile signals are non existent (due to topography and the house being an old cottage with 2 foot wide stone walls), so would a radio be (a) a better option and (b) affordable?