Huge Corrib trout

Auldloon

This being boards I suppose I should say that IMHO they probably only released it because they were full from a nice dinner of swan That's a joke BTW before anyone has a hernia.

What a beauty, a new record?
http://www.wrfb.ie/Publications/Angling%20Reports/WesternAnglingReport5thMay2010.html

tomybhoy

You spend your life dreaming of catching one that size.

coolwings

A tremendous fish.

premiercad

That's a beast! wasn't the sheelin record broke earlier this year also?

Big discussions around on the uk forums regarding FEROX trout at the mo.

wondering what people think here.

Are ferox trout;

a: salmo trutta that have just got big started eating fish /cannibalising and deforming.

or

b: a genetic strain of trout that is predesposed to growing to large sizes with these defects big teeth/jaw long life..etc already preprogramed from birth.

Personally I was always told these big fish had "turned cannibal" once they were big enough to escape the creel and needed to eat fish to maintain enough energy, but the scientists are I believe leaning towards option b above.:eek:

jolter

always knew their were some big trout in the corrib, a cracking fish.

ironbluedun

yes Sheelin record was broken this year 15lbs 2oz i think, and there are no ferox in Sheelin!!!

That is a fine fish and he let it back too, well done that man, a real angler, very good to see indeed.

fontanalis

What a fish, good job DryFlyFishing didn't catch it.

Zzippy

Well done to him for releasing such a beauty. Could teach a few of our own a thing or two about respect for fish - heard of a local who killed 6 ferox trout last week. This guy and his buddy apparently caught 8 more big trout between 70 and 87cm, as well as the big one, and released them all.
Check out tomorrow's Irish Indo for an article about it.

bribren2001

Zzippy wrote: »

heard of a local who killed 6 ferox trout last week.
.

yeah hard to believe aint it, question is why? i cant imagine a ferox been to tasty to eat? kind of like a big pike!! one for the table maybe but what they do with the other five?

lads like them want to be named and shamed....

tomybhoy

You will hear this and that, its most likely imo not true and spread by antis as the greens policy advisors are on record as saying they want an end to all hunting including fishing, shooting, coursing, fox hunting.
They are also against track racing, its an end to sports or hobbys where there is human interaction with species imo.

ironbluedun

tomybhoy wrote: »

You will hear this and that, its most likely imo not true and spread by antis as the greens policy advisors are on record as saying they want an end to all hunting including fishing, shooting, coursing, fox hunting.
They are also against track racing, its an end to sports or hobbys where there is human interaction with species imo.

nonsense it is true, some 'anglers' are smoking them and exporting them

Tender Hoop

Foreigners returning fish eh?? Gentleman.

stylie

bribren2001 wrote: »

yeah hard to believe aint it, question is why? i cant imagine a ferox been to tasty to eat? kind of like a big pike!! one for the table maybe but what they do with the other five?

lads like them want to be named and shamed....

Not going to name names but there is a local who years ago had 27 10lb + fish over the season and twice had 4 in one day. I cant confirm he killed all 27 but I know he killed the 4 in one day twice as I saw the photos in the magazine.
Some of the local anglers are the biggest fish mongers on the lake, I emphasis some as I do know locals that care deeply for the lake, seems to be the older generation are quicker with the priest than the younger.

ironbluedun

stylie wrote: »

Some of the local anglers are the biggest fish mongers on the lake, I emphasis some as I do know locals that care deeply for the lake, seems to be the older generation are quicker with the priest than the younger.

totally correct

tomybhoy

Are you saying that green party advisors are not on record stating that they want angling banned?

ironbluedun

tomybhoy wrote: »

Are you saying that green party advisors are not on record stating that they want angling banned?

to be honest i dont know what the green party people have said, i dont pass much remarks of them, they are a diminishing minority and will be gone after the next election, thank god.
i am saying that there are some people killing too many trout, even big ferox, they smoke them and sell them, i cant see anything sporting about that

Sfinn

smoke trout with capers, Hmmmmm:p I think its time for lunch:D All this talk of food!!

I can't remember what trout tastes like, it been sooooo long;) Whats a priest for anyways:D is it something to do with C&R or dryfly!!!;)

tomybhoy

People could very well be doing that but as other sports have seen it could also be the animal activists putting about such stories as they have done very recently with other sports.

cremeegg

respect the fish...

ironbluedun

tomybhoy wrote: »

People could very well be doing that but as other sports have seen it could also be the animal activists putting about such stories as they have done very recently with other sports.

possibly,, but i am not so sure...all anglers know people who are 'anglers' and they kill a lot of fish they catch and they are nothing to do with the animal rights extremists. just mutton-heads living in the 1890s with nothing between their ears except a big ball of sh1t.
theres nothing wrong with taking 1 for the pot now and again but some people are too greedy, last season there was a four trout bag limit introduced on the corrib and the amount of moaning by the mutton-heads was un-real.

skipz

Anyways, what a trout!:D

tomybhoy

ironbluedun wrote: »

possibly,, but i am not so sure...all anglers know people who are 'anglers' and they kill a lot of fish they catch and they are nothing to do with the animal rights extremists. just mutton-heads living in the 1890s with nothing between their ears except a big ball of sh1t.
theres nothing wrong with taking 1 for the pot now and again but some people are too greedy, last season there was a four trout bag limit introduced on the corrib and the amount of moaning by the mutton-heads was un-real.

I have fished the Corrib and it is a most pleasureable few days when I go, I also fish Waterville.
I personally have not seen people killing everything they catch but obviously a minority of people will do that given the opportunity.
I think the activists will become center stage very soon and the mutton heads will be a distant memory given the activists are intent on banning fishing.

ironbluedun

not sure about that, i cant see angling being banned any time soon. if angling is banned we will have to close down abattoirs and tell farmers to stop farming animals for human consumption, then we will tell the restaurants to stop selling meat, tell the shops not to sell any animal products, leather banned, perfume etc etc where do you draw the line?? while you are correct to raise the issue those people you are talking about don't live in the real world, they are a fanatical minority, but a dangerous one nonetheless.

tomybhoy

You have it in one Iron, that is the campaign which is ongoing.
The Green Party keep commenting about their program for Government but will not answer to the fact that their advisors are on record as saying that after fox hunting and coursing they are going after angling and shooting.
It is very dangerous to think they are not capable of banning it through the back door as they are trying to do with greyhounds through the dog breeding legislation bill which is currently being debated, we didnt think anything about this bill as it was to concentrate on puppy farms but then the greens added in all the extra stuff to hurt the greyhound industry.

Read a comment from Green Policy advisor Bernie Wright.


Added to the forthcoming end to carted Stag hunting and the Ward Union Stag abuse, things are certainly not going their way. And Yes, fox hunting , fishing, shooting, and the whole animal abusing community will be next in line …yes…..just call this the vegan agenda.

fontanalis

tomybhoy wrote: »

You have it in one Iron, that is the campaign which is ongoing.
The Green Party keep commenting about their program for Government but will not answer to the fact that their advisors are on record as saying that after fox hunting and coursing they are going after angling and shooting.
It is very dangerous to think they are not capable of banning it through the back door as they are trying to do with greyhounds through the dog breeding legislation bill which is currently being debated, we didnt think anything about this bill as it was to concentrate on puppy farms but then the greens added in all the extra stuff to hurt the greyhound industry.

Read a comment from Green Policy advisor Bernie Wright.


Added to the forthcoming end to carted Stag hunting and the Ward Union Stag abuse, things are certainly not going their way. And Yes, fox hunting , fishing, shooting, and the whole animal abusing community will be next in line …yes…..just call this the vegan agenda.

I don't think anyone (even a green party member) would label somethign a vegan agenda.
Anyways, brownie or ferox?

scartman1

fontanalis wrote: »

I don't think anyone (even a green party member) would label somethign a vegan agenda.
Anyways, brownie or ferox?

Fontanalis
You are right in that you would think that no one could have a vegan agenda, even a Green, but it is an Animal Rights Agenda.
It is probably correct to say that angling is not in any danger at present given the numbers that are involved in it. I go fishing myself and like to Shoot also along with Coursing, and the latter field sports are definately in the sights of the Green Party, who have a considerable rump of Animal Rights Activists wagging their tail.
All field sports share the same standards and it is unfortunate that shooting and coursing are the current targets. All field sports should stand together to support each other. Can you imagine if a shooter or Greyhound Owner was prevented from following his chosen sport by a few misguided antis and put yourself in his shoes. Apathy amongst the field sports organisations to the Anti Agenda, from Fox Hunting, Shooting, Coursing, Deer Stalking, Fishing etc has not served field sports well.

Its worth considering!

tomybhoy

fontanalis wrote: »

I don't think anyone (even a green party member) would label somethign a vegan agenda.
Anyways, brownie or ferox?

Thats part of the interview this person gave to aliberation.
She heads the hunt saboteurs and many other anti groups all using the same PO BOX 4374.
Think what you will but this person is seriously out of kilter with reality, these groups support terrorism and have been know to break green bottles and spread them in fields to cut the paws off hunting dogs.

fontanalis

I should have said "I would like to think" but these PETA types are delusional. The best way to deal with them is mockery, don't some morons protest outside Rorys the odd time?
Fishing will never be banned but I do think that anglers can do better by encouraging C&R etc

coolwings

fontanalis wrote: »

.....but I do think that anglers can do better by encouraging C&R etc

In Germany, a Green Party government banned Cthe release of caught fish on grounds of "cruelty" and essentially made the law into an "Anglers must kill all they catch" situation.
The PETA lobby within the Green movement probably had a lot to do with that. So very strange decisions can be made in the name of "conservation" by novices at wildlife management who get into political decision making positions.

tomybhoy

coolwings wrote: »

In Germany, a Green Party government banned Cthe release of caught fish on grounds of "cruelty" and essentially made the law into an "Anglers must kill all they catch" situation.
The PETA lobby within the Green movement probably had a lot to do with that. So very strange decisions can be made in the name of "conservation" by novices at wildlife management who get into political decision making positions.

Great post!
Its time to contact your local TD's now and dont listen to its not in the program for government as that is their standard reply to anything they are trying to get banned in the future.

coolwings

If that is to be successful, that is, to get a clear statement of support for angling in the Green party manifesto, also to get a clear rejection of PETA anti angling activism, then the approach most likely to get a good result is for the leaders of the Angling Federations to make contact together with the promise of a clear recommendation to their federation members to support or withdraw votes in numbers, based on the response from the Party.

snow ghost

People who take the very large ferox trout, usually do so to have them stuffed as a trophy. I doubt they are good eating.

As for the Green Party - I wouldn't worry about them, angling won't ever be banned. And tbh many of the general public have a soft-spot for fellow cuddly mammals - hence opposition to hunting - but don't have the same love for our under water friends.

tomybhoy

snow ghost wrote: »

People who take the very large ferox trout, usually do so to have them stuffed as a trophy. I doubt they are good eating.

As for the Green Party - I wouldn't worry about them, angling won't ever be banned. And tbh many of the general public have a soft-spot for fellow cuddly mammals - hence opposition to hunting - but don't have the same love for our under water friends.

There are far more fish killed as a % of the overall population than our cuddly friends who are protected and that is where they are coming from, assuming that it is ludicrious is a big big mistake with these people.

The Coursing Community thought their conservation efforts made the case for Coursing a NO Brainer, the North banned Coursing 6 years ago and has seen a decline in the overall population of 50%, the hare is thriving down south and a fraction of 1% of the total hare population in the south is lost to Coursing each year, in return the hare population have preserves where they are protected from poachers, innoculated for disease, wormed and generally looked after.
The antis still come and their beliefs are so far fetched it is untrue, most people think it is silly and wont go any further but this apathy has allowed them to make inroads the last few years.

Dont take chances lads, they have stated categorically that after Coursing and Fox Hunting it will be Fishing and Shooting next on the list, its time to take them seriously and do something about it or your kids wont get the opportunity to partake in the same passtimes that you have done throughout your life.

snow ghost

I wont be losing too much sleep worrying about it tomybhoy - it will never happen. And I don't see any need to contact my TD about it.

Angling is not under threat to any extent and never will be.

Hare coursing, fox hunting and those deer hunts are a different matter altogether, if anything it is the blood sports lobby trying to scaremonger and garner support by bringing angling into the equation.

When people are banned from eating fish fingers I might start worrying but any reasonable person knows that isn't going to happen.

tomybhoy

Angling is on the list, this is a global campaign by terrorists that now have a foothold in Ireland.
When you see a man who was imprisoned in the UK for his animal activist activities lecturing in UCD.......they are getting their people in place to rachet up the campaign and Angling will suffer, remember our Governments of the past sold out ourt fishing Industry a long time ago and have no bother finishing it off altogether if the right set of circumstance present themselves..........

snow ghost

Sorry tomybhoy, I just don't share your major fear of a global terrorist campaign against angling... but if you spot any suicide bombers targeting anglers at Lough Corrib I might reconsider. :eek:

On a serious note angling is worth too much to the economy and tourism for any governments here to outlaw it. Moreover, it has a special place in our heritage and culture. Many blood sports here have political associations, and are seen by some as the remnants of a colonial establishment, plus humans being mammals tend to feel for other mammals beng ripped to pieces by hounds a bit more than they do a mackeral being hooked on a feather.

I think you need to have a strong cup of tea and worry about things that really are possible.

scartman1

The Green Party have a lot of unusual elements in their ranks who have a considerable influence on their policy. They are practically overtaking the more moderate forces within the party.
PETA, are a crowd that i had not heard about until recently but the Irish Anti Field sports lobby have a strong links with them. Any right minded person, if they studied their ideologies and tactics, would have the hair standing on your head afterwards. They are intent on ramming these policies down everybodies throats.

I would be a person that generally minded my own business and put down these anti's and greens for the cranks that they are, and basically ignored them to date. However I have seen that they have a strong foothold in this current government and I was anxious that they not get sops from the government to damage field sports in any way.
I wrote to a few TD's expressing my concerns and posted like I am now on a few forums to express my concern at how they were attacking field sports, and were going to ban the Ward Union and have a go at the Greyhound Industry thro the dog Breeding Establishments Bill. I suffered from apathy for too long and feel somewhat better doing something. I would ask others to consider what they can do. It will effect us all at the end of the day.

Octopus

reading the posts above re the green party i believe, unfortunately, that our greatest enemy at the moment is complacency.

I agree that angling will not be banned in this country, not due to it's popularity as a sport but due to the revenue that it creats especially in these hard times.

Our attitudes seem to be 'sure it's terrible about them ward union lads but i'm ok'. The green party have a set agenda against not blood sports but sport that involves animals (and they include angling in this).
Time to row together on this. Now it does not always involve going to the next RISE meeting or campaigning your local TD (great if you can) but keep it in mind for the next local / general election and make sure as many of your friends and associates as possible are fully informed as to who conserves the countryside, rivers and streams of this country and who just talks about it.

snow ghost

Right... so we have a number of Ward Union supporters here on this forum that want to drag angling into the foray that they are involved in.

Sorry boys, but we didn't come down in the last shower - I can see your agenda, and it aint gonna work, it has nothing to do with you being concerned about angling.

Much more, I sincerely hope they ban the ward union, and whats more, with your actions here trying to involve angling in this matter... I am going to write to every TD I have ever heard of requestng that they ban the ward union.

Go try and use somebody else, we aint that stupid.

Tinytony

I think TomyBohy is being a tad melodramatic above but he is not far off the mark as regards these animal rights activists. They have some seriously deluded members amongst their ranks and they are very influential within the Green Party. Remember alot of these people are the ones responsible for decimating some of our rivers by the liberating of hundreds of mink without any thoughts of the damage they would do to local wildlife.

Only last month they released a video of what was purported to be a hare being killed at the national coursing meeting in Clonmel. But when the video was exmined more closely it was plain to see that the whole thing was staged and the hare in the video was actually being strangled by a wire noose that had been placed around it's neck for the purpose of recording the video.

Myself I can't see there being any concerted push to get angling banned in this country in the immediate future. As mentioned above it provides huge tourist revenue and the majority of people view it in a totally different light to field sports. That said I would still support the actions of RISE pretty much on the basis that I feel the Greens see the banning of the Ward Union hunt as a stepping stone towards implenting other bans on rural pursuits to appease their more radical elements. My main concern in the short term would be about them deciding to "regulate" fishing and introducing impractical rules etc.

Niall Gavin

snow ghost wrote: »

Sorry tomybhoy, I just don't share your major fear of a global terrorist campaign against angling... but if you spot any suicide bombers targeting anglers at Lough Corrib I might reconsider. :eek:

On a serious note angling is worth too much to the economy and tourism for any governments here to outlaw it. Moreover, it has a special place in our heritage and culture. Many blood sports here have political associations, and are seen by some as the remnants of a colonial establishment, plus humans being mammals tend to feel for other mammals beng ripped to pieces by hounds a bit more than they do a mackeral being hooked on a feather.

I think you need to have a strong cup of tea and worry about things that really are possible.

Maybe they do snowghost but from my perspective, I always thought that the fish suffered greater than the fox. A fox is killed almost instantly whereas Ive often had a fish on a line for 20 mins. He's then taken out of his environment to where he partly suffocates/culled/released.

Personally, I have no problem with either and have spent many a sunday up the lake or following a hunt on foot. But dont be fooled if you think fishing will be exempt, these people have nothing else to do with their lives and will move from sport to sport. Their downfall is that they cannot differentiate between that mackerel and ourselves or any other animal and the last time I checked, they were not speciesist.

Niall Gavin

snow ghost wrote: »

Sorry tomybhoy, I just don't share your major fear of a global terrorist campaign against angling... but if you spot any suicide bombers targeting anglers at Lough Corrib I might reconsider. :eek:

On a serious note angling is worth too much to the economy and tourism for any governments here to outlaw it. Moreover, it has a special place in our heritage and culture. Many blood sports here have political associations, and are seen by some as the remnants of a colonial establishment, plus humans being mammals tend to feel for other mammals beng ripped to pieces by hounds a bit more than they do a mackeral being hooked on a feather.

I think you need to have a strong cup of tea and worry about things that really are possible.

Maybe they do snowghost but from my perspective, I always thought that the fish suffered greater than the fox. A fox is killed almost instantly whereas Ive often had a fish on a line for 20 mins. He's then taken out of his environment to where he partly suffocates/culled/released.

Personally, I have no problem with either and have spent many a sunday up the lake or following a hunt on foot. But dont be fooled if you think fishing will be exempt, these people have nothing else to do with their lives and will move from sport to sport. Their downfall is that they cannot differentiate between that mackerel and ourselves or any other animal and the last time I checked, they were not speciesist.

ironbluedun

I think it is misleading comparing angling to hunting, now I know nothing of hunting but there is a huge difference between hunting and angling,, and you have said it yourself the fox is killed. In angling a good angler has the choice to return the fish relatively un-harmed to continue its life. When the fox is caught by the hounds do they turn around and say “ok Mr. Fox go now and have a nice life”, no they flitter him to pieces. The same when a pheasant gets his arse blown off by a shot gun he is then dead full stop,, so you cant really compare them.. Some forms of hunting were banned in Britain is angling banned in Britain? of course there are extremists who will want angling banned but we will always have that minority, and the majority do not support them.

Niall Gavin

Hi ironbluedon.
You are 100 % correct in your assertion that the angler has a choice to return the fish. But I know where I would put a trout that I caught, and that is into my bag to bring home. How many fishermen also operate this way?
TBH I find your post somewhat hypocritical, you feel its ok to hook a fish for X amount of time but its not ok to shoot a pheasant? Is it because the fish is smaller or what is your reasoning? I dont want to come across that I have something against angling but I don't understand how you can distinguish between the two, the outcome is the same, an animal is used for sport/food. I think anyone who is involved in these types of sports should stand together as opposed to sniping that one sport is morally better than another.

scartman1

snow ghost wrote: »

Right... so we have a number of Ward Union supporters here on this forum that want to drag angling into the foray that they are involved in.

Sorry boys, but we didn't come down in the last shower - I can see your agenda, and it aint gonna work, it has nothing to do with you being concerned about angling.

Much more, I sincerely hope they ban the ward union, and whats more, with your actions here trying to involve angling in this matter... I am going to write to every TD I have ever heard of requestng that they ban the ward union.

Go try and use somebody else, we aint that stupid.

I think your attitude is unfortunate and shortsighted. Personally I have never gone Fox Hunting or even seen the Ward Union. I must admit that i have since my youth had a coursing dog from time to time, I go fishing and go shooting from time to time.
Morally I see very little difference between any of the field sports and how they are carried out. I believe if anyone was to consider it fully then we would all reach the same conclusion.
I certainly am in favour of avoiding a ban on the Ward Union, and yes i see that all field sports should band together to achieve this. There is no hidden agenda, its just a logical and necessary step to take.
I would not be proud of myself, if i , having considered that my field sports are morally identical , that i let a fellow sportsman be denied his right to his sport. An 'I'm alright Jack' attitude is not really a good position to take.

An earlier poster mentioned that in Germany, the Greens got C&R outlawed. How would you like to fight this issue if it was to arise. Surely the support of fellow field sports organisations who really know about conservation would be helpfull in putting your position across to government.

Please consider what is best for the overall of field sports !

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

I think a few people are loosing the run of themselves. There is no threat to Angling. Certainly the pro Hunt people want us to think it is but it's just a cheap attempt to gain support for their cause.
The talk of terrorists is a bit over the top and is an insult to any of us who felt the impact of true terrorism in this country for so long.
I think some people are trying to convince us that there is a huge campaign to eradicate all forms of country sports just so they can boost their delusions that the Animal Rights lobby are much more active and violent than is true.
Let's enjoy the sport and stop trying to make out there is a huge political issue here.

stylie

Niall Gavin wrote: »

Maybe they do snowghost but from my perspective, I always thought that the fish suffered greater than the fox. A fox is killed almost instantly whereas Ive often had a fish on a line for 20 mins. He's then taken out of his environment to where he partly suffocates/culled/released.

Personally, I have no problem with either and have spent many a sunday up the lake or following a hunt on foot. But dont be fooled if you think fishing will be exempt, these people have nothing else to do with their lives and will move from sport to sport. Their downfall is that they cannot differentiate between that mackerel and ourselves or any other animal and the last time I checked, they were not speciesist.

What sort of fox hunting are you talking about ?

ironbluedun

anyway this debate could and would go on for years.........great to see a big ferox like that and returned alive.....fair play to that angler.......its a hard thing to do to let such a big fish back........but the fish is alive and hopefully will spawn this year..:D

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Niall Gavin wrote: »

... A fox is killed almost instantly ...I have no problem with either and have spent many a sunday up the lake or following a hunt on foot....

Following the hunt on foot obviously means you were some way behind the action because I have seen several Foxes caught by hounds and, let's just say, death was not instant by any means.
I'm not anti-hunting at all but let's be truthful about it. I fish. I know the fish must suffer but I accept it as part of the process of catching food. And I minimise the suffering as best I can.

scartman1

Khaleesi Puny Stagehand wrote: »

Following the hunt on foot obviously means you were some way behind the action because I have seen several Foxes caught by hounds and, let's just say, death was not instant by any means.
I'm not anti-hunting at all but let's be truthful about it. I fish. I know the fish must suffer but I accept it as part of the process of catching food. And I minimise the suffering as best I can.

Khaleesi Puny Stagehand
I find it hard to understand your position and why you are posting like you are.
I and others have stated that angling is not in any immediate danger of being affected by political policies, but it is the telescopic sights of some. My point and that of others was to emphasise the importance of field sports standing together. Would you agree that this is sensible?

Are you against assisting the Ward Union, and Fox Hunting, or would you indeed support its being banned. Your last post indicates that you support angling as a process of catching food only. Do you not catch and release?

As for foot beagle men being behind the action, well I doubt that, they know perfectly well whats involved at the business end of some of their hunts. Its a bit rich to tell a huntsman that he doesn't know his own sport.
Its hard to know where you stand on these matters. Methinks there is more to you than meets the eye.

Sfinn

Is there is a troll amongst us!! MODS