Tax question

Max_Damage

Hi again, I'm thinking of getting a Ford Escort van 1.8L diesel in a few months time, for my own use. What's the story with tax, is it classed as a 'private car' or as a 'goods vehicle'? Thanks.

Max_Damage

No one?

Henry Ford III

What'll you use it for? Commercial or merely personal use?

Max_Damage

Personal use

Max Power1

Max_Damage wrote: »

Personal use

well that answers that one afaik

Tax it commercially and save yourself the 400 euro in the difference. 99% of people tax vans commercially regardless of what they are used for.

Max_Damage

^ Happy days!

B00MSTICK

It is tax fraud of course though

gingerGiant

Willow Wrong Fries wrote: »

Tax it commercially and save yourself the 400 euro in the difference. 99% of people tax vans commercially regardless of what they are used for.

If you tax it commercially would you not have to insure it commercially as well (much more expensive i would expect) or is this ever cross checked?.

Max Power1

Willow Wrong Fries wrote: »

Tax it commercially and save yourself the 400 euro in the difference. 99% of people tax vans commercially regardless of what they are used for.

make sure and avoid customs checkpoionts though! Is it worth the risk of having your car confiscated over €400?

Max Power1

Max Power1 wrote: »

make sure and avoid customs checkpoionts though! Is it worth the risk of having your car confiscated over €400?

Here we are again this debate and I will use my usual answer. Every farmer in the country who has a commercial 4x4 taxes it commercially and uses it for everything they do. Have you ever heard of them getting in trouble? Lots of people in my family drive vans etc and are all taxed commercially and none used for just commercial use, some just for cheap tax for commuting, especially crew cabs.

I would say within a 5 mile radius of my house evey 2nd house has a commercially taxed vehicle for at least 50% private (a lot 100%) use again never a problem. Plenty of these people have gone through customs checkpoints and are only ever concerned about the diesel and VRT.

As far as 99% of people (with cop on) are concerned a van should be taxed as a van regardless of what its used for.

gingerGiant wrote: »

If you tax it commercially would you not have to insure it commercially as well (much more expensive i would expect) or is this ever cross checked?.

When I was insuring my van they never asked how it was taxed and it cost a lot less to insure than a car.

And also as I have said before a privately taxed vehicle cannot do a DOE and a Commercial vehicle will not be allowed to do an NCT. So effectively a privately taxed van is ineligible for any form of testing.

Max_Damage

The van it is then. Cheaper to run than my current Escort 1.3L, and more loading space!

R.O.R

Willow Wrong Fries wrote: »

Here we are again this debate and I will use my usual answer.

And I'll always counter it with:

It might not be enforced, but it is the law.

Max_Damage

R.O.R wrote: »

It might not be enforced, but it is the law.

So is being drunk in a pub (or any public place), and that's never enforced.

R.O.R

Max_Damage wrote: »

So is being drunk in a pub (or any public place), and that's never enforced.

But, I have heard of the commercial vehicle being used privately being prosecuted in court. A fleet manager for one of the largest LCV fleets in Ireland has all the vans privately taxed because he had to spend a day in court and got hit with a fairly large fine.

R.O.R

R.O.R wrote: »

But, I have heard of the commercial vehicle being used privately being prosecuted in court. A fleet manager for one of the largest LCV fleets in Ireland has all the vans privately taxed because he had to spend a day in court and got hit with a fairly large fine.

I dont know why he was picked on, but overall there is not even a hint of any sort of enforcement. Very very few people even know about the rule. I didnt until I say it said here and I drove a van for a good while for private use. I don't agree with it as I think a van should fall under commercial tax rules regardless of use as you dont have back seats etc.

I actually dont think it will ever be bothered with as there would be up roar around the country as not one van in the country really meets the requirements. i.e pulling into the shop for personal stuff while driving a van breaks the rules, even if you really do use it almost completely for commercial use.

Max Power1

R.O.R wrote: »

And I'll always counter it with:

It might not be enforced, but it is the law.

And there has been cases of it beeing clamped down on recently. There were even a few threads here about it

Eoin

R.O.R wrote: »

And I'll always counter it with:

It might not be enforced, but it is the law.

And advocating methods to get around it, regardless of the lack of enforcement, is not allowed on this forum Josue Faint Tomb.

I Was VB

Kinda the same with the taxi situation, i recently bought a new car to use as a taxi transferd all the relevant paperwork and licence over to my new taxi. However the old taxi (my beloved Carina) still had Taxi tax and nct on it.

Its been known that if you caught when the car is not a taxi (or it doesnt have its roofsign on the car) it can be compounded and only released once you show that the car is taxed privately.

The Carina is now NCT'd and Taxed privately.

Its probably somthing that no garda will ever care once the car is taxed its taxed, so in summary : Meh.

Oh BTW the price to tax a taxi for the year regardless of CC is €82